if you guys can come up with other pairings and reasons why they would work (and i know u you will) that'd be great.

Arigato Gozaimasu to anyone who contributes (without insulting)

1. Akane and Ranma

2. Ryoga and ukyo

3. Shampoo and Mousse

4. Kodachi is going to be an old maid...Lol

Now my reasons aren't as good since I have only seen seasons 1&2 of Ranma 1/2 but once I have seen more I can explain it better.I know about ukyo from reading about her...Okay!) The Kodachi answer is obvious...SHE IS CRAZY and who would want to marry some one like that. ( I don't think Ranma's insurance plan can afford that many "Happy pills") Now Shampoo and Mousse I belive are so because, just like your excuse, He deeply loves her and is always trying to prove it. He already stays at her shop. They are also childhood friends so the have more in common and know each other better. Unlike Shampoo who fell "in-love" with ranma even though she didn't understand a word he was saying. Ryoga and Ukyo because they already have a relationship ,though fake, but there can always be sparks generated in those situations. They may be able to find something within that can help. Finally Akane and Ranma. I am an Inuyasha Fan and this reminds me so much on Inuyasha and Kagome...Just a little more violent. And we all KNOW Kagome and Inuyasha are ment for each other. Same school of thought here. They are complete opposites on the outside. And as they say, Opposites attract. And to cement the relationship they are similar on the inside.

Akane and Ranma have not seen thier mother is many years, both dedicated themselves to Martial arts due to these feelings and both begrudingly admit they have feelings for one another. So much so Ranma was willing to marry her as Duck due to his feeling toward her. If that isn't love and devotion I have no idea what is! To seal the deal, if they don't get married Genma and Soun will make thier children pay!

Wow this was a waste of time...I should have been writing...Bad Editor you made me get side tracked!

Ich werde Sie später sehen!

shampoo x mousse doesnt work out because shampoo HATES mousse, when mousse was fighting ranma over who got shampoo she interefered so that, even if mousse won the fight and proved he was stronger (amazons HAVE to marry the strongest male) shampoo would still prefer ranma

akane x ranma i dont like because 1) akane is very abusive 2)akane says she hates boys (creepy!) and 3)ryoga is a MUCH better choice than ranma and would do anything for akane

btw u need to read the manga for ranma its much better, but i cant find volume 22 anywhere! and thats the one with the Musk Dynasty!

You've al made very good points. but lets review all the information from the BEGINING of the series shall we? THEN from there, after we've reviewed all the facts on BOTH the Anime AND Manga then we compile on who is BEST SUITED FOR RANMA, not Ryuoga, not Mousse, not whoever else is out there! The question posted first and foremost was: WHO WAS BEST SUITED "for" RANMA, NO ONE ELSE!!!

But before we do that, lets deside exactly how far back we have to go into Ranma's past to compile of the information.

I thiink we can ALL agrea that this ALL goes back to Genma in with that agreament he made with Soun so that the and I quote: "The schools become one!". Now ya, this to them does mean an arranged marrage of sorts, but that's NOT what was agread on. No where once have I seen the contract for this agrement ever and on that I have reason to assume that its was only verbal, SO with that out of the way, a WRITTEN agrement would take presidence becuase it has more value for one and two, its written proof that it actually happened. If Genma and Soun wrote up one AFTER even "one" of the other engaments was signed for then the Tendo/Saotome "pleadge" (more emfises on word only) can NOT take presidence over the others.

Now before I start going off one way, can everyone agrea with that? Can everyone agrea that that is "Logical" from all that we know about Soun and Genma, is it not Logical that they would seemingly forget just that one tiny little fact, to write up their own agrement and sign for it to make it legal? With their track record its very possible if I do say so my self.

Now this is in no way has any effect currently for Ranma, but that does put the argument for Akane's place on top very shakey. We can all agrea the girl has an un-fair advantage as she lives in the saem house with him, even though that doesn't loke like much from what we see. However take a moment all of you who have watched just a few episodes of "House" or "Big Brother" and you'll know it gives her a HUGE advantage.

But here's the other kicker. You al recall when Soun Introduced his charming daughters to Ranma for the first time, correct? They left the desicion in RANMA'S hands as to whom he would pick as a fiance, he never did, and the father just assumed that since the othertwo girls didn't want him and they pushed the responsibility on Akane, Ranma would agree. He never did, if I recall off the top of my head; in fact if I remember correctly, when it comes to arranged marages like that where the boy has the desicion to pick whom he wants to marry, NO ONE else can deside for him and on top of that they (all those involved for engament) are supposed to be given a one year "learning period" so that they can get comfortable with the idea. I should know, one of my friends in Australia is in an arranged marrage and they right now are getting that one year time period, plus the girl Sariona, hasn't reached the age of majority yet, which is 17 for occations such as arranged marages down there.

OH!! And before I forget, BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, let get out into the open what we ALL know About Ranma alright?

hmmm....'who is best for RANMA'...

ok being mainly a shampoo fan here i can really only answer for wut shampoo and ukyo have to offer, cuz i really dont know wut akane would do if she and ranma were really married

Shampoo:

truly loves him

would never leave him (amazon law i think...also because of love)

would respect him for his warrior skill

is a great cook and we all know ranma likes food

Ukyo:

truly loves him

probably would not leave him (they are already friends, so it would have to be for something REALLY EXTREME)

is a great cook and we al know ranma likes food (especially the okonomiyaki ukyo makes)

uhhh...i know there are other things but i cant remember them right now...

joe or anyone else gimme some akane stuff

"O divine art of subtlety and secrecy! Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible and hence we can hold the enemy's fate in our hands."

-Sun Tzu

btw joe if u wanna face me in starcraft bring it on, but ur gonna get pwnzed by my godly protoss skillz! gwahahahaa...ha...ha....(awkward silence after off-topic statement)

Ok, now that I got that out of my system, lok first and foremost what ALL do we know about our Pig-tailed egotistical misadventured and all around abused and harrased hero, eh?

First lets all put in everything we know about his faults, I want you all to imagine Ranma as you most hated enemy and I want you to comb his personality for every flaw you can find! We can al agree on the most obvious ones I think. Ranma's egotistical, cocky, shallow, blunt, doesn't know when to shut the hell up, and overconfident... what those are all go back to egotistical... heh heh... Ranma's egotistical, conseated, self-serving, selfish(somewhat), sexist, and vain. I've seen it all in Ranma, now what can we find out about him that's good? My brain hurts right now... big words....

Id' say Ukyou would be a great choice for Ranma.

1,Well aside from the fact that she openly expresses her feelings and intentions for him. so she'll never leave him guessing.

Granted everyone but akane tells Ranma how they feel. but Ukyou has always been a freind to Ranma as well, and i don't think i've ever seen her resort to poisoning ranma or screwing with his head with magic.

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2.Ukyo can actually cook!!! and we all know how Ranma likes to eat. This is something she has against the others.

Shampoo, i've never seen her cook, i just see her carrying around food and being a waitress which doesn't necessarily means she can cook

Akane can't cook to save her life...

You don't want to eat kodachi's cooking... most likely it's arsenic

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3, anyone who crosses across the country,world for Ranma would be a great person for him. Mind you, Ukyou's been looking for Ranma since she was a child.

Shampoo has been looking for ranma too, but not as long as ukyou...

Akane, i don't think that she would she hated boys for a good portion of her life, and if given the same situation, i don't think she would have done that.

Kodachi, is insane, i don't think she would have gone looking for Ranma. i mean she only hangs out every once in a while, and i think she would have lost interest.

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4, She was Ranma's best freind. best freinds make the best couples because they know each other's flaws. she know's ranma's flaws and is willing to work with, and ready to accept them.

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5, She can fight and damn well fend for herself against the other fiancees which is more than i can say for akane. Meaning if she was in real danger, she won't have to depend on Ranma to come to her aid everytime. plus she is more reasonable than kodachi and shampoo when it comes to Ranma's feelings and needs.

well that's it for now...

hm.. i say he's too nice. he doesn't know what to do about the whole fiancee situation. and he doesn't want to be mean to anyone. (or he's really dense) so instead of hurting thier feelings, he just doesn't tell them the truth... uh....

did that just not make any sense?

anyways...

Well, whenever there's trouble, he's willing to be there to help. like with the whiskers on akane's face. even tho she was being a brat to him. he still helped her out.

Ranma's pretty honorable for a guy who's been screwed by his dad. he wants to fight equally and fair. like in the manga with pantyhose taru. panty hose hits him the the arm stating that its for giving him his injury. and ranma's like, so i get it, it's fair!!! (or something of that likeness)

Ranma never gives up. that is something that even an enemy would respect and even fear. He'll keep at it untill you give up.

He's willing to listen to people and forgive them for their faults.

he doesnt tell akane about pchan. He knows that akane will kill ryoga. even tho ryoga hates ranma, ranma still has that respect for ryoga. and akane's too dumb to notice what's in front of her face. I mean he's tried to help her figure it out without breaking his promise to ryoga but she's just too thick sometimes..

He lets akane beat him on the head with a mallet. i mean the guy takes so much abuse it's not even funny.

even tho he gets into awkward situations, he doesn't harbor hate, or anything against his agressors. like in that episode where kuno becomes principal for a week, gosonkogi (sp) plots against ranma outloud, might i add. and ranma overhears him. and he shrugs it off saying that's fine, just don't speak out loud. (something of that likness) also in that episode, at the end, where the ghost cat and happosai chases after him. akane and nabiki are like, maybe you should be nicer to him. akane's like, yeah i'll be nicer to him, if he comes back alive.

ranma will be there to help you out no matter what. in the episode of panty hose taru, he helped pantyhose out with his name, even tho the guy's a meanie. he still helped him out. he helped out ukyou with tsubasa and konatsu.

so yeah he's an **, but when you need him, he's there for you.

I can't belive I am like this... Where did I go wrong? I had a decent life... Look at me now, I am Fanfic writer! And a debate about Fictional anime characters... oh jeez... Well now that I got that out of my system I will still fight the good fight! Eventhough all of you oppose my opinion.

Okay you want facts well fine I'll give you facts!

Akane is in the freaking opening credits singing *Don't Make Me Wild Like You* of season one. Just by looking at the credits over the seasons the lyrics to the songs and animation that goes with it. This shows who rumiko takahashi wanted to be the main female in Ranma's Fictional life. That was Akane. The reason shampoo was brought in and kept was due to the ratings and was a popular charater in the manga. Shampoo seems to be like Kikyo of this series. And Ukyo seems to be the Hojo. It is rumiko takahashi's style, it can be seen in both animes.

I can't give bad personality traits of Ranma due to the little fact that HE ISN"T REAL! But you know I will give soem bad parts of he simulated personality. Naive, egotistical, overconfident and somtimes a jerk.

There, you happy mister editor! If not talk to me later...I am in a bad mood today if you can't tell...

Joe

Ich werde Sie später sehen!

P.S. Sorry if I offended any of you otaku's but I was just ripped off $61.99. I will be kinder next time I post...

i had written a real good entry TWICE and they BOTH didn't get through, i'll bet THIS one does tho....GRRRRRR!!

"I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self." -Aristotle

JOE STOP RELATING EVERYTHING TO INUYASHA! RANMA 1/2 ISNT LIKE INUYASHA!

Ranma had an ulterior motive there. He didn't like being weaker than Akane.

Ranma's pretty honorable for a guy who's been screwed by his dad. he wants to fight equally and fair. like in the manga with pantyhose taru. panty hose hits him the the arm stating that its for giving him his injury. and ranma's like, so i get it, it's fair!!! (or something of that likeness)

Ranma? honorable? That's laughable, especially in battle. Ranma does whatever it takes to win, regardless of what dirty rotten tricks he has to resort to. (such as using the Saotome techniques of distracting your enemies and attacking while they aren't looking, or constantly flashing his breasts at his foes while in Female form.)

he doesnt tell akane about pchan. He knows that akane will kill ryoga. even tho ryoga hates ranma, ranma still has that respect for ryoga. and akane's too dumb to notice what's in front of her face. I mean he's tried to help her figure it out without breaking his promise to ryoga but she's just too thick sometimes..

Ranma made no such promise to Ryoga. He thought, to himself, in refrense to a dog. And if he was truly trying to honor such a promise, he wouldn't constantly drop hints or flat out attempt to say 'Ryoga is P-chan.' (Ranma attempts to tell Akane several times, however he is usually bitten and then someone changes the subject.)

He lets akane beat him on the head with a mallet. i mean the guy takes so much abuse it's not even funny.

Lets? She nails him fair and square. He doesn't let her hit him.

even tho he gets into awkward situations, he doesn't harbor hate, or anything against his agressors. like in that episode where kuno becomes principal for a week, gosonkogi (sp) plots against ranma outloud, might i add. and ranma overhears him. and he shrugs it off saying that's fine, just don't speak out loud. (something of that likness) also in that episode, at the end, where the ghost cat and happosai chases after him. akane and nabiki are like, maybe you should be nicer to him. akane's like, yeah i'll be nicer to him, if he comes back alive.

Don't use the anime as examples of Canon. It wasn't written by Rumiko Takahashi and it contradicts itself and the manga on several occations.

Akane is in the freaking opening credits singing *Don't Make Me Wild Like You* of season one. Just by looking at the credits over the seasons the lyrics to the songs and animation that goes with it. This shows who rumiko takahashi wanted to be the main female in Ranma's Fictional life. That was Akane. The reason shampoo was brought in and kept was due to the ratings and was a popular charater in the manga. Shampoo seems to be like Kikyo of this series. And Ukyo seems to be the Hojo. It is rumiko takahashi's style, it can be seen in both animes.

Read the above. Rumiko Takahashi didn't write the anime or any of the songs in it.

JOE STOP RELATING EVERYTHING TO INUYASHA! RANMA 1/2 ISNT LIKE INUYASHA!

Yeah it is. They are both made by the same person. The relationships are remarkably similiar. Not only that, but half the characters look identical between shows. (Ranma=Inuyasha, Ryoga=Koga, Shinnosuke=Miroku, Konatsu=Sango, etc.)

As for who Ranma will eventually marry, the answer is obviously Akane. As for who would be the best wife for Ranma, that's harder to answer. The fact that Ranma and Akane are going to marry is a given, but whether or not they'll have a happy marriage that won't end in divorce is another story. Personally I think that of the three, Shampoo would make the best wife for Ranma. However in an ideal situation he'd be best off going with None of the Above.

This example is the same as with the Ranma 1/2. Not exactly mind you, it is after all a completely different show. But the end results of the anime's are are esenialy the same, in metaforical terms.

The anime of Ranma 1/2 shows all the "Better" points to all the character, and in some cases makes them look worse. BUT at the same time it makes small faults blatently obvious. SO, at this point, we've done Ranma, we've pointed out his faults AND his supposed attributes. now lets get to the other characters shall we..... lets start with the cuase of it all...

SAOTOME GENMA What are you views on this man?

btw the only things i see that are similar in ranma 1/2 and inuyasha are ranma = inuyasha, happosai = miroku, happosai = myoga, POSSIBLY akane = kagome, and Herb = Naraku, probly some other things i cant think of now because im so sleepy...

(snoring)

Ranma = Inuyasha

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/ryowolf/ranyasha.gif

Miroku http://www.webspawner.com/users/ayanebahjah/miroku-pose.jpg

Shinnosuke http://www.wot-club.org.uk/RanmaFAQ/scans/Vin-back/26.jpg

Ryoga http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Ryoga.gif

Koga http://www.fullinuyasha.com/img/inuyasha-wallpapers/inuyasha-kouga-wallpaper.jpg

Sango http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Sango.gif

Konatsu http://ranmahentai.ranma.ws/RanmaManga/Book35/RM35-100.gif

I am still angry so I will keep this short,

Boris, I went on wikipedia and found some back-up. So here is a quote to supprot my stance for Akane.

"Rumiko Takahashi herself indicated was (Akane & Ranma pairing) going to be the one to come to pass. However, in recent years, with anime and manga becoming more popular and widespread throughout the US and other parts of the world, some people have come to see Akane in a more negative light. One reason for this is because of the great extent to which the anime exaggerates Akane's character for comedic effect: they have her act more violent towards Ranma, less forgiving towards his actions, and undermine her love and devotion for the art. Yet another reason for this change, is because of the overuse of these cliches in fanfiction.As more and more veteran fans of the series lose interest and grow distant in the Ranma 1/2 community, inexperienced viewers rise to take their places, clinging to what they've learned from poorly written fanfiction and several episodes of the anime, often ignoring the original manga altogether. "

There! I have now given you more support for my side!

Ich werde Sie später sehen!

Joe

P.S. "poorly written fanfiction " Will they stop talking about me? Geez.

So, as a result, I'm NOT going to disregaurd what you and your stance with Akane, besides, I asked everynoe to give the good AND the bad for each charcater. I WAS going to get to Akane eventually so that we can keep this orderly enough. I know alot of you here no matter how much you think this is fun you "still" want to end up right in the end. But What I'm trying to do is make it so that we get all sides and points of view so others can deside for themselves.

Personaly, if Rumiko intended to make Akane: "they have her act more violent towards Ranma, less forgiving towards his actions, and undermine her love and devotion for the art."

Well of course they do! they have to, most anime doesn't take the time to put in charcater thoughts, that would then give a more in depth look for the characters, Like Akane.

But even you have to admit that what she does WHEN she gets angry is uncalled for.

Also, Akane is not the most stable of characters, looking into my own homelife I know how emotional teenage girls act. My sister may not be a martial artist but she does work in Stage productions for her magnet school, and she gets the same way as Akane does. That doesn't mean she gets away with it, and that is why Akane DID get worse even in the manga as the story progressed. No one ever addressed the issues of her anger, no one ever sat the her down and MADE her be honest with herself. Smacking/Bashing someone around when its not even "that" bad of an offense is just plain wrong.

In the end, Akane is just as bad as Ranma. Both are too stuborn to see past their own faults, overconfident, and in Akane's case, jellious and inescure beyond beleif! And don't say that Ranma needs to reasure her, if you think that you think that Ranma had a normal childhood with everyday NORMAL emotional issues. he hasn't kids, he's lived with GENMA as his mentor all his life, and until Akane can accept that the problem between the two will never be fixed. Sorry to say, but in this case (like so many others in fact) the problem lies with girl in the relationship and SHE has to be the first one to make changes.

Ranma is just as jealous and insecure as Akane is, maybe even more so. The only difference is Akane attacks Ranma, not his suitors. Ranma beats the ever living snot out of her suitors, not Akane.

Also, Akane is not the most stable of characters, looking into my own homelife I know how emotional teenage girls act. My sister may not be a martial artist but she does work in Stage productions for her magnet school, and she gets the same way as Akane does. That doesn't mean she gets away with it, and that is why Akane DID get worse even in the manga as the story progressed. No one ever addressed the issues of her anger, no one ever sat the her down and MADE her be honest with herself. Smacking/Bashing someone around when its not even "that" bad of an offense is just plain wrong.

The Manga is not the real world. What everyone fails to realize is that pretty much every woman in Ranma ½ acts the way Akane does. Shampoo and Ukyo hit Ranma just as often as Akane does when they're around him. The entire female population of the town occationally beats on Ranma for believing he's in cahoots with Happosai. All females act violently in Ranma ½. Hell, all females act violently in a lot of Mangas and animes. It's a staple of the genre, it isn't a sign of a poor character trait.

i like how my forum has smart ppl in it (smiles stupidly)

g2g finish my .hack manga before my school library charges me with (gasp) late fees! (i kinda forgot i had it...)

anyway i'll wrap up this very USELESS post with my favorite word: w00t!

P.S. i don't think shampoo hits ranma THAT much, she just runs him over on her bicycle (dropping from the sky...somehow...)

For instance. Nabiki.... who could ever think this sexy girl with quiet the commmanding demeanor could ever hook up with Ranma. Many times before in fanfiction I've read where the reason Nabiki has been ** Ranma and Akane's chances and private moments up is becuase she doesn't want Akane claiming him at all, nor the other girls for that matter. And with as much chaos as having all the girls in one place brings, the usual tactic of trying to keep all the girls apart so that Ranma doesn't pick any of the others will never work in that regaurd. And Nabiki, being the perceptive girl that she is, would easilly see that such mundane and rather normal tactics would never work.

At least that's some of the argument for her case, there are several other ways that people have Nabiki fallin for him, but I can't remember any at this point.

Then we have Kasumi! Sweet tender Kasumi, most automatically assume that her quite demeaner are just what Ranma needs. While I love the pairing when Kasumi is a bit more lively, CANNON Kasumi in my opinion is the worst possible pairing. Take the way she acts, then take the way he act, then take the way he attracts chaos and she handels it. Not being mean or nuthin but if those two were togeather for any amount of time the Kasumi we knew would be blown RIGHT out of the water!! Personaly I think she'd have a nervious break down, doesn't that girl get out much?

And then lets not forget about Hinako, Kodaichi (if your into bondage, all yours), and the other various random females sen threw out the series.

COME ON PEOPLE!! DON'T LIMIT YOUR SELVES HERE!!!

On a personal note, overall, I think Nabiki, in the long run, could handle being Ranma's wife much better than all the others. Becuase while she may not be a fighter like Xain Pu & Ukyou, she has the sensabilites to know how to stay out of trouble and neither does she jump to conclusions. Not only that, since she's not a fighter at all when Ranma DOES deside to finally get a degrea in teaching so he can teach martial arts (yes, you need one) DO you honestly think Akane will know how to handle the expenses? Ukyou expects him to just drop everything and pick up her family buisness, and Xain Pu wants to drag him back to China where who knows WHAT awaits him there. I know I defend Shampoo, but even we don't know for sure what might happen and no matter how many speculations and quetions we come up with that could proove plot holes unless Rumiko answers all of them outright, I don't think any of us will ever truely know.

On Rumiko for a moment, all this stuff from springs mixing if you hop into another one... where did THAT come from? From the fact that if you mix the "waters" of the springs you'll get a mixed form perminently? Rumiko herself has stated that Ranma could just hop into a "spring of drowned boy" to cure himself and be done with it. Nothing about mixing or anything. SO, what I want to know is, wheer the hell dd that absurd idea come from?

I have finally cooled down and I can act civilized again. (I say this while brandishing a battle axe and have war paint on my face)What don't believe me? Okay...you have a right to your own opinions. I think...

This is in response to Underdark Ranger's latest post. Yes I see your point but I think of myself of a representative. And this as a parliament or congress. And I, mostly through the pushing of my editor, Have come to represent the point of view of the pairing of Akane and Ranma. So even if you have good points, which all of you do, I try to find flaws or share my "representative" point of view with the limited knowledge I have. So I will comment of flaws of the cast but always relate it to the Akane x Ranma pairing so...That’s why I may seem biased and I expect most of you would do the same...Except maybe you Underdark Ranger. You seem to be acting as a moderator or referee for this topic, so you can be unbiased if you want, and so can the rest of you but ...As I said I am but a representative.

I am short on time so I will quickly rebut the idea of Nabiki and Ranma

Her reasons: Money, Greed, Sibling rivalry, Maybe a bit of jealousy and a way to watch out for her sister feelings. There have been countless occasions where Nabiki suggested or helped out Ranma and Akane... Well for money but that is her character otherwise the series wouldn’t be as funny. But remember you guys this is just a Anime, thus a fantasy and it is a fantasy created for you, and left open for your interpretation. So if you don’t wish to see the obvious connection between Akane and Ranma, which even the creator had hinted at, that is up to you it is a Fantasy and this is what fantasies are made for. Why else to people flock to places like Disney world. But remember, This is only a fantasy and you shouldn’t get too caught up in it, there is a world out there…Stand up and live in it even if you don’t want to…Happiness comes to those who fight for it, so never stop trying.

Ich werde Sie später sehen!

Joe

One) a fic I read said it best: (paraphrased) "Ranma needs someone to ride herd on him when he's being a jerk." (e.g. shooting off his mouth, being arrogant, getting into unnecessary fights with uber opponants)

Two) Something I think obvious, is that the potential spouse should have Ranma's best interests at heart.

By this qualification:

Name Can control Wants best for Ranma

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Akane No Likely

Nabiki Yes No

Kasumi No Unknown

Ukyo Maybe Unknown

Shampoo No Unknown

Kodachi No No

Hinako Sometimes Sometimes

Mariko No No

Plum No Unknown

Cologne* Sometimes Unknown

Akari No Unknown

Azusa No No

Pink & Link Unknown No

Rouge Unknown Unknown

Kiima No No

(* Assuming Cologne were to become a young woman again)

Any other manga only female candidates I've forgotten about? If the list is complete, more or less, do you disagree with any of my assessments ? if so, why ?

From this list, it seems like Hinako might be the best candidate -- she does generally seem to want the best for Ranma, and is the one of the few who can actually assert some measure of control over him.

Other possibilities were they to experience some personal change, might be: Akane if she could learn to ride herd on Ranma effectively; Nabiki if she became a nicer person; or a youthfull Cologne should she demonstrate that she cared about Ranma as a person

Any thoughts?

-- Pat

This is in response to "pspinler" and As I said in a pervious post I am here to support the position of Akane. So That is where I shall focus my attention.

Yes I completely agree with you on the aspects needed to have the best wife for Ranma, So I applaud you for that. But please don't include colone for my sake. That just make me want to throw up thinking about it. Also I don't think she would do that to Shampoo, and it would violate her own Amazon laws, due to Shampoo is entitled to Ranma if you were going purely by their laws. Okay now one to how you have divided the candidates on your little chart.

I am basing all of my conclusions on the anime because I am lazy and don't want to read the manga...

Since representing the Akane side that the only candidate I will talk about. What do you mean she can't control Ranma? He can get out of her hands at some points but she still can control him whether he likes it or not. So instead of a no, I would put "sometimes" Examples of her controlling his him are as follows...1. Forcing him to eat her cooking/cookies for her sake 2. Ice skating for p-chan 3. Fighting in Martial Arts Cheerleading and Many other times(want more examples, just ask ^_^)... You probably meant his manners though, eh? Well don't fear I will talk about that too. As i say this is a Fantasy/Anime/Manga ment for our entertainment...What would be entertianing ranma and the other cast members being boring, laid back or just "normal." Nothing that's what! The whole show i ment to be funny so with out his personality the show would just be another "run of the mill" stories.

Okay I am done with another pointless rant...

Ich werde Sie später sehen!

Joe

Anyway, re: controlling Ranma, your discussion missed a critical point of what I said, restating just the important bit, I said: "(controlling ranma) when he's being a jerk."

In other words, Ranma needs someone to reign in his worst excesses and keep him from mouthing off. Akane either never could or never wanted to do that in the manga.

I mean, think about it, how many storylines did Ranma pull out some utterly hairbrained scheme, which usually failed badly (and hilariously)? Certainly a majority of them. I mean, without even looking I can think of several -- in all of which someone should have put the brakes on Ranma. Stuff like the Japanese Spring of Drown Man, anything with principle Kuno, anytime he used a disguise to fool Ryoga, the mess with the hot spring in the Happiodariken arc, his scheme to convince Happosai to change Taro's name, ... need I go on?

And then, how many times did his mouthing off get him into trouble or net him a rival where a little diplomacy could have helped? With Hinako, with Happosai, with Herb, the Martial Arts Tea cerimony, with Tatewaki, with Ryoga, ... again, need I go on?

I mean, this boy really needs somebody to sit on him.

About the only characters, male or female, that could keep him from mouthing off and keep him from doing some of his stupid schemes were his mother (obviously disqualified. I'm not into incest), Hinako, Nabiki, and Cologne.

And for a spousal candidate, it'd have to be a young Cologne -- although Ranma did just about marry her as is in the love pill arc. :-) There are several fics that have a young Cologne as a romantic interest for Ranma. Also, for obvious reasons, Nodoka is completely disqualified.

I'm not saying that Akane is an impossible match for him, but, as written, there are several who are on equal footing, and Hinako does seem to meet my criteria the best. Honestly, none of the possibilities are all that great, though.

-- Pat

p.s. hmm, on reconsideration, I'm not certain Hinako is all that great, either. Ranma very easily and successfully distracts the child Hinako... then there's the pedophile issue.

oy, you just said, to provide examples and i did, so sue me if they came from the anime. I know i know, Takahashi has no control over the anime, (which isn't really that true) but alot of things that are in the anime are based on things that were found in the manga.

To ryo wolf::

I know the anime stresses the relationship between ranma and akane, bringing those two closer together, so you're saying that because it's in the anime, we can't use whatever materials we can to provide for explanations or evidence? come on, we all know that akane, likes ranma and he her,(in their own little way) and they are childish to each other, do we need to know everytime something happends to prove it? after all this is make believe, and we know that shampoo (example mind you)is the kind of person that would do underhanded things to get what she wants. so what if it's from the anime not manga, i mean it's practically the same thing.

The characters in the anime are projections of the manga. so no, i don't read the manga as much, nor do i have the time or money to, but i have seen the anime, and i know the story behind the characters, and i know what's really cannon and not because i do research. But it's really rude to assume that just because a person watches the anime not reading the manga, means that they don't know what they're talking about or that they have no clue as to what's going on in the series because that was not in the manga. I'm sure that everything that was written for the show, or drawn had to be approved somehow by takahashi herself,if she hadn't liked the idea or if she was against the idea, then she would say well, these characters weren't meant to be together... or soemthing of that likeness. I'm sure that she would approve of most things that happened in the Ranma anime, because even though the actions never existed in the manga, that is something likely that her characters would do.

Yes, Ranma is honorable, his fighting style is called anything goes. which means anything goes, and it's not considering cheating if he flashed his opponents and such. He does like to win, and yes, he didn't want to be weaker than akane, in that whisker anime episode too, but i know that that is something that ranma would do regarldess, because she's a girl and he would have to help her out. he's that kind of person. he's helped out ukyou with konatsu/tsubasa.

what's admirable about him is that he's tries and tries again, and never gives up untill he learns a technique.

Also when akane was captured by pantyhose, ranma did whatever he could to try to get her back, even tho he was threatened by ryoga and soun blamed him for akane's "lost". He even turned into a girl and wore pantyhose to draw out happosai. He worries about akane because she's not a good martial artist and is afraid that she'll get hurt, when pantyhose therw that boulder at him/akane, he didn't think about himself, he thought, "that boulder coulda hit akane," and he was ** at pantyhose because of that fact.

Ranma fights people that are considered martial artists. (even ones that are as strange as ice skating or gymnastics and prince herb). He's always tried to abide by the rules given to him. so in that aspect, he's very honorable. especially when it comes to the ladies. He hates to see girls cry. i think that's sweet... but anyways, yeah yeah yeah, i know that rumiko takahashi doesn't really have anything to do with the anime, but like i said, the anime is a projection of the manga, although things aren't always the same as it is in the manga, the message still gets across to you.

Yeah this is ranma not inuyasha. you may consider the characters as practically copies off of each other but that still doesn't mean that they are the same, and that it's the same show, because it's not. the only thing similiar about it is the creator, Takahashi. Inuyasha-Ranma are similiar, but not, the only thing they have in common is mouthing off to kagome and the fact that they're both egotistical, but that's where it ends they dont even look alike accept for in youthful appearence's. kagome-akane don't look nothing alike, kagome is similiar(with that whole sit boy routine= akane's mallet) but that's where it ends. Kagome is more accepting of her fate, (being that there is a love triangle between her,inu and kikyou) She is still willing to stick by inuyasha and she has made up her mind to do so untill he makes up his mind who he wants, even if inu goes to see his kikyou. Akane will kick the crap out of Ranma if she knew that he was with any of his fiancee's and she's very violent and hasn't her feelings for ranma haven't really grown or matured, where as kagome has, and she's matured and gotten over her jealousy of inuXkikyou.

Konatsu's a boy and Sango a girl, and they look alike, that's where the similarities end. Kouga looks similiar to ryouga, because of the headband thing, and because of the fact that he is in love with kagome and has to vie for her attention from inu. but that's where it ends. Kouga's a killer-demon, Ryoga's not and never will be anything like him.

I could go on and on about the resemblence of the characters to others from takahashi's work, but i won't. Inuyasha and Ranma 1/2 so have things that are similiar within them, but they are so different from each other it's night and day. Inuyasha series is serious/dramatic, whereas ranma series is meant to be joking and funny/light-hearted.

No, Ranma doesn't go out of his way to beat up ryoga nor mousse nor anyone else because he's frustrated by being insecure about akane. He does it, because they attack him first... kuno is always trying to attack ranma; and when hes not he's chasing after akane or onna ranma. i'd beat up kuno too, if i was a guy and he was trying to grope me... and since when has ranma walked up to any of akane's suitor and beat the snot out of them? Akane will attack ranma for no good reason other than the fact that she believes he's either cheating on her, or making fun of her. (or he's not eating her food ::shudders::)

The Manga is not the real world. What everyone fails to realize is that pretty much every woman in Ranma ½ acts the way Akane does. Shampoo and Ukyo hit Ranma just as often as Akane does when they're around him. The entire female population of the town occationally beats on Ranma for believing he's in cahoots with Happosai. All females act violently in Ranma ½. Hell, all females act violently in a lot of Mangas and animes. It's a staple of the genre, it isn't a sign of a poor character trait.

Eh, i tend to agree and disagree... the only thing that i give the other fiancee's over akane is that they all admit that they love ranma, and i don't recall shampoo or ukyou ever beating up ranma the way Akane does. i know that they have hit him on several occasions, but not as much as akane. But i will agree with you in the fact that it's a staple of the genre and that manga is not the real world bit.

But anyways, to continue the whole string thingy about genma soatome... er.. he's a bastard...? lol He's always screwing up Ranma somehow. i mean, with the whole nekkoken thing... that was pretty awful to do to a kid. And he engaged ranma to ukyou and ran off with her cart, which was a pretty dishonorable thing to do. HE's what caused Ranma all these problems. he's also the reason why they got cursed in the first place. If he was smart enough to go back to Nodoka and tell her everything, i mean everything, i believe that she'll forgive him and forget about the whole seppuku thing. I mean, don't get me wrong, i love panda/genma, but he's just an @$$ to his son. lol, i don't think that genma's ever told ranma that he loves him. unless he has something up his paws. and he's very lazy. lol.

but that's just my opinion. ^^

And the characters in fanfiction are too. That doesn't make them canon. The anime directly contradicts the personality and characterization of several characters. Akane is a lot more violent in the anime and a lot less considerate, Ryoga is crazier, Mousse is more evil, Shampoo is an underhanded ** and Cologne does whatever it takes to get her with Ranma. The anime exagerates the worst character traits of pretty much everyone, and many of the events are totally different. It isn't canon, and when the Anime and the Manga show different points of the same thing the Manga is the one that is correct.

No, Ranma doesn't go out of his way to beat up ryoga nor mousse nor anyone else because he's frustrated by being insecure about akane. He does it, because they attack him first... kuno is always trying to attack ranma; and when hes not he's chasing after akane or onna ranma. i'd beat up kuno too, if i was a guy and he was trying to grope me... and since when has ranma walked up to any of akane's suitor and beat the snot out of them? Akane will attack ranma for no good reason other than the fact that she believes he's either cheating on her, or making fun of her. (or he's not eating her food ::shudders::)

Mousse isn't a suitor of Akane. He has tried to beat the crap out of Ryoga over the P-chan thing. There's also Mikado (who he threatened to murder) and Shinnosuke (who he probably would have ended up killing if Akane hadn't stopped him, what with Shinnosuke being horribly ill and all.) If you count the anime, there's also Toma and Kirrin, both of whom he beat the ** out of. There are probably more, but I can't think of any at the moment.

*Loud cheers and Applause* I salute thee, StupidisStupiddoes. You have sumed up what I have been trying to say for a awhile now but alot better than I could. I agree with everything you said was true except The inuyasha/Rama Simalirties thing. I still think there a lot of them under the surface. Yes! You finally stood up for the people like us who have only seen the Anime.

Even though Takahashi didn't have a direct hand in it, She HAD to approve the storyline before it when to press. Because SHE OWNS THE COPYRIGHTS!(IF you don't belive me just watch the credits and at the very end of them The copyright symbol and her name is shown. If she didn't have the rights it would be the studio's name) IF she didn't agree with the pairings or how the cast differed from the Manga she would have pulled her rights from the studio...Thus the anime can be used to support our claims. Unlike fanfiction where ANYONE of us fanfic authors can write what we want,when we want without consulting her. Also the anime should have more bearing here becuse this "Ranma" on this site is filed in "ANIME" catigory. So, there...

Okay...I am done now...

Joe,

Ich werde Sie später sehen!

I know full well that mousse isn't a suitor for her, i just had his name mentioned as one of the guys that ranma happeneds to "beat up all the time". Well, since you didn't count the anime, i didn't count it either, but, still, Shinnosuke and ranma were both fighting for akane. Ranma didn't know what was going on, he knew that akane was with shinn and that she ran away from home, Shinnoske fought with ranma because he didn't know who ranma was, so they both started the fight. And Ranma had no idea shinnosuke was sick, niether did shinn-boy. Only akane knew and she stopped it yes, but had ranma known how sick he was, i doubt he would have fought him.

Toma kidnapped akane and kirin kidnapped akane and the other girls, so no, Ranma didn't start the fight, they did, they knew full well what would happen if they did what they did, but they still did it anyways. Mikado deserved what he got coming to him too. He's not so innocent as you make him out to be. He tries to kiss akane in front of ranma, and ranma wouldn't be a good fiancee if he didn't interject. plus mikado and azusa were the ones that challenged ranma/akane. so they got what they deserved. and ranma was also great in that one, because akane was telling him to let her go and save himself, but he didn't do it. and when they fell he took the burnt of the fall so that akane wouldn't get hurt.

And the characters in fanfiction are too. That doesn't make them canon. The anime directly contradicts the personality and characterization of several characters. Akane is a lot more violent in the anime and a lot less considerate, Ryoga is crazier, Mousse is more evil, Shampoo is an underhanded ** and Cologne does whatever it takes to get her with Ranma. The anime exagerates the worst character traits of pretty much everyone, and many of the events are totally different. It isn't canon, and when the Anime and the Manga show different points of the same thing the Manga is the one that is correct.

I'm not talking about fanfiction tho- and excuse me, but i've never seen anyone make an anime out of a fanfiction. fanfics are written by fans. so comparing the anime to a fanfiction, is pretty ridiculous.

But Rumiko Takahashi herself has profitted in anyway from the anime and manga, than it is her creation. She knew that if she made a manga, that it would one day become an anime if it was popular enough. she also knew that certain things in the manga would be changed to fit the anime, and she also agreed with that. So in essence, the anime is of her creation as well. it's not inuyasha nor is it ranma 1/2 the different universe, it's called ranma 1/2. Just because you like the manga more, doesn't make you smarter or better than those who prefer the anime so both manga and anime are correct.

Granted I agree that in the ova's and anime's, there are times when things were mentioned like hinting at couples like kunoXnabiki or RyogaXukyou. Takahashi herself has said that these characters don't belong together, but still, i doubt that she'd cry over what we think, (seeing as she's prolly sitting on a pile of money). I believe that the only real couple that she's pointed out at was ranma and akane, but the rest could be up for grabs. I don't believe that the anime is the god awful truth, but i believe that when the characters are being portrayed as OOC, in the anime, it's because the producers/animators don't have the time to portray each character as how they normally would be. and besides, i do believe that, the anime isn't too far-stretched from the manga and that given the chance, that is something that the characters would do.

Just because you like the manga more, doesn't make you smarter or better than those who prefer the anime so both manga and anime are correct.

No, they are not both correct. And it has nothing to do with what I like better. It has to do with which came first and which one Rumiko Takahashi wrote. The manga was first and it was created by Takahashi. The Anime was created using the Manga as a source and Takahashi was not the one who wrote those episodes. Even the episodes based off arcs from the manga went differently. For example, in the Manga shampoo came across the Kairaishi mushroom and came up with the idea to use it against Ranma herself. In the Anime she and cologne conspired together to use it on Ranma. Another example. In the Manga Ryoga's dog is female, was with his family for years and had puppies. In the anime Ryoga's dog is male, a ninja, and acquired by Ryoga on his journeys. It's quite impossible to say that both the anime and the manga are canon when there is a conflict of gender involved.

And let's not forget that there are many characters and things in the manga that don't even exist in the anime, such as Akari, Konatsu, Herb, Lime, Mint, Saffron, Rouge, the Battle Doji, the Beangun plant, The Mirror, The Age mushrooms, the Jinzou statue, the Pride Noodle, so on and so forth.

I am just going to say this once, Ahem, Takahashi created the Manga first granted. And she didn't have a direct hand in the production of the Anime. But SHE still owns the COPYRIGHT! Thus SHE IS THE CREATOR OF BOTH THE ANIME AND THE MANGA! IT dosen't matter who wrote it, the one who owns the copyright is technically the creator. An example of this is Thomas Edison. He had A TEAM of people working in his reasearch on the light bulb, Direct current and many of his other inventions BUT since he owns the Patent and copyright, He is credited soley for these inventions. Using this as an example, IF Takahashi truly didn't like the Anime's plot/cast/pairs she could have pulled production and banned sales of it. (Just like George Lucus did when he pulled the star wars christmas special) But she didn't. So in this way they do hold the same correctness just with some variations. So you are both right when using the manga OR the anime for back-up.

And agian, Don't compare Fanfiction to the Anime, The anime did have the backing of Takahashi while people like myself don't have the backing their perspective creators....

Okay... I finished my ranting...

Joe

Ich werde Sie später sehen!

P.S. I think we need a New thread...

P.P.S: it seems to me a lot of us are forgeting one thing...THIS IS Just A ANIME/MANGA. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WISH, IT IS A FANTASY...ENJOY IT

So, what's your point in saying that ranma threatened to kill mikado if he kissed akane? I told you that he did that because Mikado was trying to kiss akane. any guy in their right mind would come to the same conclusion. And i already posted what i had to say about shinn-boy. they were both fighting for akane, and ranma didn't know that shinnoske was sick. it's not like him to beat up a sick/half dying person. but we are still talking about your topic of ranma wants to take out his frustrations on akane's suitors rather than akane, si? I said that I don't think that Ranma would knowingly go up to akane's suitor and beat up that person. And that he does not take out his frustrations on Akane's suitors, and so far everyone that we have listed has gived Ranma reason to kick their sorry butts. As for shinn-boy, he wanted to fight with ranma too. Ranma didn't know he was sick and dying, and if im not mistaken, akane stopped the fight between him and shinn-boy, but then ranma ran away because he thought that akane liked shinn, so he left.

No, they are not both correct. And it has nothing to do with what I like better. It has to do with which came first and which one Rumiko Takahashi wrote. The manga was first and it was created by Takahashi. The Anime was created using the Manga as a source and Takahashi was not the one who wrote those episodes. Even the episodes based off arcs from the manga went differently. For example, in the Manga shampoo came across the Kairaishi mushroom and came up with the idea to use it against Ranma herself. In the Anime she and cologne conspired together to use it on Ranma. Another example. In the Manga Ryoga's dog is female, was with his family for years and had puppies. In the anime Ryoga's dog is male, a ninja, and acquired by Ryoga on his journeys. It's quite impossible to say that both the anime and the manga are canon when there is a conflict of gender involved.

but i highly doubt that we care about the gender of ryoga's dog. (i mean, it's not really the focus of the conversation...) but like i said before, in my earlier post. i know better than to say, that i believe that the anime is right. and i don't think that little things like shampoo and cologne collaborating together or shampoo herself thinking of a plan to use the mushroom, really matters as long as you get the point across, she's gonna use the freaking mushroom, and we already know how diabolical she is. It is something that she would do. I believe that both are correct, anime and manga. the manga came first, but like i said, earlier, Takahashi knew that if her manga became a big success, that it would eventually become an anime. I'm sure that she either has it down somewhere on paper, or she agreed with a certain company, that made the show, and she is got a share of the spoils. She knew the consequences that when they changed the manga over to anime, some of the same things wouldn't stick, but as long as the outcome was the same, it wouldn't really matter.

And it's not only about what came first that's important anymore, it's also what is popular. a lot of people watch the ranma anime because they don't have the ability to go out and buy all the manga's. but does that make them ignorant? no, and besides, these are make belief characters. the anime wouldn't be here with out the manga, but the manga wouldn't be as popular without the anime, the two equal out each other in that aspect, and takahashi herself couldn't ask for more because both have made her a pile of money.

And let's not forget that there are many characters and things in the manga that don't even exist in the anime, such as Akari, Konatsu, Herb, Lime, Mint, Saffron, Rouge, the Battle Doji, the Beangun plant, The Mirror, The Age mushrooms, the Jinzou statue, the Pride Noodle, so on and so forth.

That's true too, i dont disagree with your observation, but i don't think that it would matter if these characters came to be, Even takahashi herself has said that the only real characters to be an actual couple is akaneXranma. so we'll never fully know who ends up with who... The show ended early and if it had continued, i'm sure that they would have pursued the whole thing with all the other extra characters. I think that they're still making oav's? So you never know, we could see the other characters... Yes ranma is mostly considered an anime to those who really don't know anything about it, on ffanfiction.net and mostly online if you type in ranma 1/2 it will be listed under anime most of the time, seeing as how popular anime is. (over US soil anyways...)

but anyways i dont see why the anime has to be wrong, or that manga is right because it's the first, i don't think that the japanese care so much about being wrong or right, they just want to be entertained and have a good time. it's the americans, (i include myself in this category as well) that have to be right about everything. The anime is real so is the manga. they're not wrong or right. the manga came first, yes, the anime solidified it's popularity. would the manga had been as popular had there not been a show? No, not to the marketing prospect of it anyways. But sorry to dissapoint you but most people like to do the popular thing because it is easier and fun to watch anime than it is to go out and buy manga.

grrr i have a few more points to make, but my dad is gonna kill me if i don't go and eat... so ... it is nice debating with you, but i'll be backkkkk....

We are talking about the characters. This discussion is about what girl is best suited to Ranma. We're discussing their personalities, tendencies, character traits, so on and so forth. How they act, how they think, and what their interests are. Now, we have two sources to find out what these things are, the anime and the manga.

[These sources directly contradict eachother.] Depending on which one you refrense, you'd get completely different results. No matter how you slice it multiple characters have completely different personalities in the anime and manga.

Which one are you going to refrense? The original? The main source? The one written by the creator herself?

Or are you going to refrense the interpretation of the original, written with consent from the creator but contradicting her writing?

That is the question. Also, we were discussing whether or not both qualify as canon. And I have a very simple means of deciding that. If both the Anime and Manga are Canon, then what gender is Ryoga's dog? And don't write it off as non important. In order for something to be canon, every minute detail is important.

Do you think for a second that the company who created the anime Ranma 1/2 would do it without the authorization or the blessing of Takahashi?!?!?

Yes. Yes I do. By giving the animation company the rights to animate Ranma 1/2 she gave them Artistic Liberty. They could do whatever they wanted without running it by her.

people watch anime more than they go out to buy manga's because of a little thing called money!!! it's easier to download movies/episodes than it is to find manga online. so what if people prefer the anime over manga? they're entitled to it!!!

Not only does this have absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about, but it's completely untrue. You can find the Ranma manga in its entirety on a single website.

because you don't want to debate about anything, you just want to say that you're right... that's poor sportsmanship

The hell are you talking about? I'm the only one here trying to debate. You and Joe are just babbling on about how popular the anime is, for some reason.

they have differences yes, but that doesn't proove that because we watch it, we don't know what we're talking about.

I never said that. I never attacked your credability for watching the anime, I just said the anime wasn't a valid source.

when did i say not to use the manga as a reference? did i ever say that? did i ever say that the anime is the awful truth?!?!? no, i didn't.

So you never said not to use the manga, meaning this isn't a discussion about the Anime continuity. You also claim the anime isn't the truth, so why are you using it as a refrense?

but if you want to put your hopes and dreams on prooving that you know Ranma 1/2 better than we do, who am I to burst your bubble.

I'm not trying to prove that I know Ranma better than you do. I'm trying to tell you the anime isn't canonical.

No one cares wether it comes from the anime or the manga.

And that's the problem here. You should care.

You know Anne rice? yeah she's the author of Interview with the vampire as well as the vampire chronilces and other supernatural books. but she knew that her books would be made into a movie someday. and when it happened, did you notice anything that was different in the movie than the book? I did, i read the book and saw the movie. The things that happened in the movie were similar to that of the book but not the same. But it was still excellant and it was still good. I like them both.

And this is completely meanlingless to the topic at hand.

just because the movie is an interpretation from the book doesn't mean that it's any less important.

That all depends. If you're having a debate on the personalities of characters, the movie is less important.

Well the same is true for Ranma 1/2. And you're crazy if you don't believe that money/marketing has anything to do with the manga/show. It has everything to do with it. if nobody bought Ranma 1/2 series in japan, it wouldn't have become such a success, and no one would have heard about it.

Yeah. But it's popularity has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.

As for the contradictions and such, i told you that i don't dispute you about the contradictions that the anime has over the manga because it can get confusing. but do we really need to know about the sex of Ryoga's dog? or that shampoo her or(she and grandmom), wanted to use the mushrooms on ranma?

Yes, you do.

the point is that Shampoo is willing to do anything to get Ranma and Cologne is willing to do the same. They both want Ranma to marry Shampoo.

And this is where we see the point of the issue. IN THE ANIME, this is true. Shampoo and Cologne are both willing to do whatever it takes to ensnare Ranma.

IN THE MANGA, it is FALSE! They do /not/ use underhanded tricks to get Ranma! Each one uses such a trick ONCE. Cologne with the cat tongue point and Shampoo with the Kairaishi. While the Anime has multiple story lines like this to the point Ranma is suspiscious of anything Shampoo gives him, it doesn't happen like that in the Manga. This goes back to my original point, The characters have different personalities in the anime and manga.

you're the one getting your knickers in a twist because you believe that the anime isn't cannon and that the manga is. let me ask you.... what are you looking for in Cannon?

The character personalities, so that we can have this discussion?

Do you know that the show is called Ranma 1/2, not ryouga's life or ukyou/shampoo's etc?

And this has to do with anything, how?

and if you want to use examples from either anime or manga, you should be aloud to.

No you shouldn't. It's either one or the other, not both. If we're talking about who would be best for Ranma using the Anime continuity, then only use the anime as a refrense. If we're talking about who would be best for Ranma using Manga continuity, then only use the manga as a refrense. If we're talking about who would bebest for Ranma using the Canon, then only use the manga as a refrense.

You can't use both when the character personalities contradict eachother. Get that through your head.

Someone please tell me how we got on to this topic. All it is, is stupid reteric. Okay here I am going to say this just to make this clear...We seem to be in a debate 2-4 different about topics at once. Thus all of this roundabout talk that dosen't make sense.

Okay, I was just trying to clearify that the Anime is a viable source and that even though it may differ from the manga. Due to the fact it has the same title and same creator, thus it's story line can't be THAT differnet and when it is differnt it is usally just minor details.

And then a comment was made about how Takahashi didn't have anything to with the anime so thus it wasn't good cannon. So then I explianed how the copyright laws USALLY work which means Takahashi did have a hand in it so it can be good cannon.(since she has a copyright) But I don't think that point was made very well...

WHICH ALL OF THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC AT HAND! So before my editor's forum becomes unrepairable I think there is one way to settle this little spat... Wait for Boris to make a rule or tell us which or if both can be usd in this debate(otherwise this will never end)...

(yep my answer for everything...Make someone else handle it)

I know Ranger usally dose this but to stop this little spat I am going to suggest a topic. And I want answer BASED ON BOTH THE ANIME AND THE MANGA or unless Boris tells otherwise okay?

What are shampoo's flaws and advantages for being the wife for Ranma?

So here MINE are, which are based on the ANIME because as I said before, I am too stingy and lazy to read the Manga.

Disadvatages: She fell in "love" with him when she couldn't even understand a word of Japanese. She is very clingy/pushy at times and is sneaky. She has the baggage of colone(I am not sure about you but that is enough to keep me away, I don't what would be in my food half the time), The amazonian rule which may hurt ranma(if we knew all of them) And we don't know what will happen to Ranma if he is dragged back to China...

Advantages:She isn't as viloent as Akane, The only one of them NOT arranged by his father(even though it is semi-his fault), She seams to truely love him(even when ranma dosen't show much back) and she lives in china so if Ranma get fed up with Japan he can run away with her. To go along living in china she lives near the cursed springs...

Now I know boris will have to get in on this one...because this is his favorite pairing. And I'd like to his Advantages and disadvangtages...An since he read the manga and watched the anime he can give an opinion for them both...just as many of you can...

Joe

Ich werde Sie später sehen!

Advantages:

Shampoo truly loves him, dispite how she met him.

She's good looking.

She's the closest female to Ranma in terms of strength, speed and skill.

They share similar interests and life goals.

She's loyal, compassionate and loving.

She's a good cook.

Disadvantages:

She turns into a cat, Ranma's greatest fear.

Jealousy issues.

Potential issues involving Amazonian lifestyle.

Clingy.

Anime:

Advantages:

She loves him, though how much is debatable.

Good looking.

Closest female to Ranma in strength, speed and skill.

Good cook.

Disadvantages:

A bad tendancy to do whatever it takes to get what she wants.

Severe jealousy issues.

Pushy/clingy.

Turns into a cat.

Potential issue with Amazonian Lifestyle.

She can barely speak his language.

What the hell are you talking about? I fail to see what anything you're saying has anything to do with this. I don't even know what point you're trying to make!

You don't see my point nor do you wish to see joe's that's why you can't see it...

Yes. Yes I do. By giving the animation company the rights to animate Ranma 1/2 she gave them Artistic Liberty. They could do whatever they wanted without running it by her.

So you know that she is giving them creative control, and whatever they put down in the main parts in teh anime can be used as "cannon" as well. IT happened, Takahashi herself has backed them, and that is that....

Not only does this have absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about, but it's completely untrue. You can find the Ranma manga in its entirety on a single website.

really? where may i ask? I can't seem to locate them.... and I've been meaning to get my hands on some of them for a while... so if you don't mind, do pray tell...

The hell are you talking about? I'm the only one here trying to debate. You and Joe are just babbling on about how popular the anime is, for some reason.

That "some reason" that we're babbling about is the fact that the anime is very popular. why is it popular? because people watch it, and when people watch things.... they believe that it is what it is. If they don't have time to go buying the manga? they won't be able to see takahashi's real brainchild, but it all ends the same none the less. Does that mean that they don't really know what's going on in Ranma? no, because it's still the same. It still ends the same, and as long as we know that Ranma has real feelings for Akane above his other fiancee's, takahashi has done her part in making us see the light even without us reading her manga.

I never said that. I never attacked your credability for watching the anime, I just said the anime wasn't a valid source.

oh... wolf, that is attacking our credibility. you say that the anime is not a valid source, yet you get flustered when we use the anime as our evidence. So i don't know what the heck you are talking about... because you just contradicted yourself. in saying that the anime is not a valid source, you are saying that our source's aren't credible. there fore, we're wrong. Yes, that is in fact what you are saying.

So you never said not to use the manga, meaning this isn't a discussion about the Anime continuity. You also claim the anime isn't the truth, so why are you using it as a refrense?

Like i said, in my last post... ahem... i'm defending people like Anon-Joe his right to use the anime effectively to defend characters or argue the fact of who he thinks is right for Ranma. If i wanted to use manga as a reference i would have.

I'm not trying to prove that I know Ranma better than you do. I'm trying to tell you the anime isn't canonical.

and what pray-tell does canon mean? hmmm? or is that only a term meant for the manga? the anime is canon, for the fact that it prooves that Ranma and Akane are for each other. They survived obstacles thrown at them, and they survived their fiancee's/suitors. Just because shampoo uses the mushroom to get to ranma(manga) and in anime she and cologne uses the mushroom to get to ranma, doesn't proove that she doesn't love him any less or that cologne doesn't want him to get with her great-grand-daughter. Like i said, this anime surrounds mostly Ranma and Akane and their relationship as well as crazy martial arts fighting. anything else can go to heck, but that. Even at the end of the manga, with that whole wedding fiasco, it's unsure who get's with who. Ryoga's "supposed to get with" akari, but it doesn't show that, Ukyou and Konatsu's one-sided "relationship", is not recieved as well. Shampoo and Mousse aren't even going out, Shampoo's never returned his feelings. Kodachi still has feelings for ranma and only him. Kuno is still after Ranma and akane, so it doesn't leave us anywhere. Akane and Ranma are the only ones who really "show" feelings for each other, because they are supposed to be together. They are the only real couple.

And that's the problem here. You should care.

Hey, the whole world is not going to stop and blow up if I dont care about who does what in Ranma. It's a freaking anime for pete's sake!! It's not real!!! And I'm entitled to my opinions... Like I said, no one cares if the evidence we use is coming from the anime or the manga. It's all the freaking same. Ranma and akane are a couple, and everything else can go to crap. This show is about Ranma and Akane, yes the other characters are important in their own way, but ultimately it's always going to be Ran/Aka. That is mosly what matters on the show/manga oh and fighting. That is the only thing cannon around here.

And this is completely meanlingless to the topic at hand.

No my Anne Rice analogy is not completely off topic. It's the same thing. just like what you said above about takahashi giving control to the animation company. Anne Rice did the same thing with her books. And the movie was different from the book. so, it is the same.

That all depends. If you're having a debate on the personalities of characters, the movie is less important.

It's true, you dont get the full effect of the characters like Ryoga, nabiki, ukyou, shampoo, kuno etc, but it's still the same, and they keep mostly to the