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Thug-4-Less
Topic: Ranking The Threat Level Of FFH Factions
I was thinking that we should come up with a standardized system for grading the threat level of individual factions in the universe. To be specific, how these factions as a whole would rate against another in their ability to wage war barring any strategic/tactical genius of a faction's leadership. In this way it would be easier to determine which faction is superior in a conflict, how superior they are, and IF strategic/tactical genius is enough to win the day.

I propose a ten-point scale with five criteria worth a maximum of two points each. I was thinking the criteria would be:

1. Technological Advancement

2. Cultural Unity

3. Societal Make-up (Is it geared towards military expansion; ruled by a military caste; peace-loving; etc.)

4. Population

5. Mobilization of Military Assets(How good are they at assessing a situation and making moves quickly, decisively, and in sufficient numbers to do the job.)

To give some examples I'll do my own rough account of the SC, Hegemony, Trinity of Light, and The Imperium of Man as they stand as of the latest chapter of FFH: Great War.

SC-

Tech. Adv.: 2

Cult. Unity: 0

Soc. Mak.: 1

Pop: 2

Mobilization: 1.5

Total Threat Level: 6.5

Hegemony-

TA: 1.75

CU: 0

SM: 2

Pop: 2

Mob: 1

Total: 6.75

Trinity-

TA: 1

CU: 1.5

SM: 1.5

Pop: 0

Mob: 2

Total: 6

IoM-

TA: 1.25

CU: 1

SM: 1.75

Pop: 2

Mob: 1.25

Total: 6.25

What do ya think?

#1 Feb 05th 2006, 8:46pm
Bombsquad
Quite a good idea Thug, but I think that the scale should be open ended for reference purposes, and it should include some of the more, unusual multipliers that are available. Jedi, Psi powers, Magic, etc. that can be drawn upon, the acceptability of these abnormalities and such.
#2 Feb 23rd 2006, 8:24am
Thug-4-Less
What exactly do you mean by more open-ended?

The unusual force multipliers you mentioned, in my head anyway, usually are the realm of Special Forces types. Those numbers, I would assume, would be very small when taken against the larger backdrop so I felt as though that would be included in Technological Advancement and Cultural Unity. Though I guess Force Powers and Magic aren't technically technological. And how accepted these things are would have some impact on Cultural Unity and the like.

#3 Feb 23rd 2006, 9:47am
SpartanCommander
Hey Thug-4-less do you think you can think of a power chart for the G1 transformers and make it powerful apparent that Both Autobots and Decepticons pack enough tech to surpass any of the races now in the Covenant, Coalition, Imperium, Borg, and such. I know their tech would rival that of the Foerunners while they were still a galactic power and now they are probably pretty powerful. What do you think their stats would be (I think their threat lever would be very high)
#4 May 15th 2006, 4:59pm
Thug-4-Less
Well, I'd say that their tech level would be the highest possible on the scale I've got. Though Bomby never did tell me what the hell he meant by more 'open-ended'. To say that their tech level is on par with the Forerunners is a bit confusing because alot of the technology that is being thrown around was probably never conceived of by the Forerunners. Plus I figure alot of Transformers junk is tens of thousands of years and that makes a bit of difference.

Their threat level would definitely be high but I don't think perfect. I don't know much about their mobilization abilities but I do know that both the AutoBots and Decepticons cultural unity score would be at most a 1.

Other than that I don't see why they wouldn't have nearly perfect scores on the threat level chart.

#5 May 15th 2006, 9:04pm
SpartanCommander
So they would obviously be a very dangerous situation right. (espicialy if the Coalition and Covenant got caught in the crossfire between the two races and an alliance with either of the two would be out of the question)
#6 May 16th 2006, 9:16am
Thug-4-Less
It would be for whatever Coalition/Covenant forces are fighting in whatever Galaxy their fighting in. But you also would have to consider that, as of right now, the Coalition/Covenant war machines cover vast stretches of the universe thanks to their conscription/alliances. So the Coalition/Covenant as a whole probably wouldn't be overly threatened by the crossfire of an AutoBot/Decepticon war. In fact you might say that the AutoBots and Decepticons war would be more affected by contact with extragalactic warfare than the other way around.

But as I always say it's really all about how you want to work it.

#7 May 16th 2006, 9:23am
SpartanCommander
One second I typed something up and my internet connection konked out in the middle of the up load.
#8 May 16th 2006, 11:12am
SpartanCommander
Ok Here is a shortened version of what I previously typed.

Even though a front would only encompase a few galaxies at most however don't forget the Autobot and Decepticon uncanny atribute to infultrate the enviroment by disguising as vehicles so their will be multiple scermishes by Autobot's and Decepticons all along Covenant and Coalition held territories and they would cause alot of problems for both sides.

#9 May 18th 2006, 5:06pm
Thug-4-Less
You do have a point with that one. It would make for some really confused and ** off commanders on both sides.
#10 May 18th 2006, 10:04pm
The Shadow Syndicate
Yeah I can see the New Republic or the empire getting caught by suprise by being attacked by the Transformers. They could infiltrate the New Republic as X-wings, Y-wings, TIE Fighters or Tie Interceptors. Plus if Starscream found the hidden droid factories left over from the clone wars he could pump out Transformers by the Dozens. They could be disguised as AAT's or Droid Starfighters. Personally I can't wait to see an AT-AT transform into a decepticon in the middle of a battle between the Empire and Covenent.

Also the Transformers might look into using the Coalition or Covenant power sources to be converted into Energon.

#11 Jun 01st 2007, 12:02pm
SpartanCommander
I know and also their are Transformers capable of dusguising themselves as "fleshies" called pretenders.

Most of the ones infultrating "fleshy" society are kind of like an upgraded version of the origional Pretenders.

Hopefully when I figure out how to proceed with a certain point in the plot I will start making the chapters quicker (It's hard trying to create a good background with out making the plot seem dull at the same time. I keep having to go back and rethink what I type to keep it from going dull or to rethink my approach to help the reader know what's going on.

It's driving me crazy.

But I do know that a certain faction in the Decepticon side is going to create an interesting problem for a few of the factions in this. I hope I can clear off all the background work so I can get to the plot. I guess that I'll be finished explaining the background at around Ch 7 I guess.

#12 Jun 01st 2007, 4:50pm
The Shadow Syndicate
Hey I actually got an idea for a spin-off for this series that wouldn't mess up Bombsquads story in any way but I'm afraid to post the idea.

The Terran Federation (Starship Troopers) discovers the HALO network and end up fighting off the Bugs in another galaxy. The thing is that the Yautja (AKA Predator) have also noticed the presense of the new insectisoid race ending up in a war against the Bugs and Predators. Unfortuantly thanks to an evil predator the Bugs have spread all over the galaxy causing mayhem and destruction.

Actually now that I think about it the Bugs natural weapons could be a match for a transformer. Their attacks did devistate earth from 400 million lightyears away so actually they could cause trouble for Starscream if they rely on their famous swarm tatics.

Sorry for the rambling but I love Starship troopers and want to see them get more "Mainstream" attention.

(PS I'm writing a Half-Life Red vs Blue crossover called Red vs Blue: The Black Mesa chronicles. I'm planning on giving either caboose or grif a gravity gun.)

#13 Jun 04th 2007, 2:08pm
SpartanCommander
Actually the Bugs long range planet attack weapon is basically hurling meteors or asteroids to a planet their methon of an orbital bombardment but from a longer than normal distance.

Starscream's forces have a much greater advantage over that mainly because a few reasons. First Cybertron since it has no orbit anymore the inhabitance must have learned a way to repell massive orbital debree over time. also Starscream's forces mainly consist's of a sizable space fleet which could easily avoid or destroy any orbital debree. Second the only space worthy but designed for interetelar flight that I've seen is the Transport but and it isn't equiped with weapons. it would need to rely on plasma bugs to fight off enemies but unfortionally a plasma bug is also like a bomb waiting to explode and outside the transport but they can't manuver well and are sitting ducks for Seekers and other fighter based Decepticons.

Starscream may capture some plasma bugs for research and for energy cattle. Like milking the plasma bug's energy like a cow. I can just imagin a Plasma Bug ranch and branding a plasma but (BANG).

But on planetary actions the Cybertoninas can still infultrate the insects. The Pretenders don't half to have an insect form. All they really need is some DNA of what they want and you have a perfict duplicate of a warrior bug of that colony. Leaving him to freely infultrate the colony and destroy the planet's Brain bug. (Kill the brain bug and you effectivly sever all the bugs on the planet's mental capabilities...I've read the book as well as watched the movie and the animated series)

I know Starscream will quickly figure out that tactic it suits him fairly well.

#14 Jun 04th 2007, 6:33pm
The Shadow Syndicate
(True the Transformers probably would KO any serious attack against them. The only thing that would threaten the Transformers would be the Replicators from Stargate SG-1 since only projectile weapons can kill them. Then again they probably could just light off an emp to kill them.)

Seriously though what do you think about the Predators getting involved with the Bug war. They seem to be a much bigger threat than the Aliens since they are so much faster and stronger.

Predators could probably hold their own against the Bugs since they are so much more advanced than the Terran Federation. The predators could decloake in the middle of the battle and use their shurikans or Plasma casters to hold them off. Eventually though they would start to wane since the bugs probably could use their echolocation to sense the cloaked predators and effectively kill them.

Even though the Predator Veteran warrior is equal to the SPARTANS, and Dark Troopers. Heck they could probably take on the Jedi if they tried. It would be intresting to see their battlefield tatics since we have only seen them hunt in groups of three or four.

(Back to the Transformer thing. Considerind how advanced the Transformers are they could use their technology to extract energon from the Federation's Anti-Matter reactors. Or the New Republic and Empire's tibanna gas. If you get really deep into it they could raid the Command and Conquer universe and convert Tiberium into Energon.)

#15 Jun 05th 2007, 5:40pm
SpartanCommander
First as far as the Bug's go the Preditors wouldn't be able to achtieve a successful infultration of a bug nest mostly because they can't disguisetheir sent. they rely to much on their stealth system that they lost the idea of a actual hunting camofloge.

The Preditors are hunters not soldiers they seem to have lost any form of actual central government for the most part and have turned into a wierd form of trubal system which would be the only form of government I can think of that would have a hunting society. The reason the Transformers could disguise themselves is that their disguises also included their sents like the (Earth Assasin Bug it actually disguises it's sent so ant's can't detect it while it eat's ant's) for the preditors their hunt's only number in the range of 1 to 4 at most (honestly I've never seen more than 2 preditors in a hunt). This would suggest they have a form of Pride that borders on the suasidal. THey would rather die than fail or call for help on a hunt. Thus they would not hunt in packs. The Bug's are similar to Earth bugs killing a few hundred or thousand workers or warriors from a collony wouldn't cause much problem. The only thing that would work is territory you limit the bug's territory and the food becomes scarcer but Preditors wouldn't think of that they want their prey to be at the top shape.

In short if the Preditors actually tried this (and they would) they would probably introduse a animal that their hunting tactics would not work on.

(I'm probably restating some of the thing's your posting but I hope some of this does make you see something that may help)

Also as far as TF tech goes they do have projectile technology and a few are capable of powerful EMP. Their was also an entity that devowers everything that went to the Autobot and Decepticon side after one insadent in the Marvel comic the SWARM. Thus I think it now aids both Autobots and Decepticons in a way that I'm not completely sure of.

Also the Replicators were never able to hack into or use Stargates so considering that Cybertonians are some what older and more advanced they would have just as much difficulty doing the same to them. (Also on Cybertron their is a small robotic creature that act's like the replicators but they are treated like a desease they are the scraplings their only purpose apparently is to take appart all robots that would include the replicarors and trust me when I saw them work they are dangerous enough to threaten the replicators.

they are only vulnerable to water but by the time the Replicators understand that weekness they would already be crippled.

energy wise I would half to agree with you except for the Tiberium. I'm waiting to see if Tiberium could be a good powersource when I get my hands on C and C 3.

#16 Jun 05th 2007, 6:05pm
The Shadow Syndicate
Yeah now that I think about it the Preds probably wouldn't care about the Bugs as a threat. Also your right about the tribal thing. I think an Elder Predator governs the tribe and organizes hunts and stuff like that. And they are too honorable to call for help so a war wouldn't be very likely.

Maybe a group of Predators could be hunting aliens and the Terran Federation accidently get's infested with them after going through the Halo. Actually the more I think about it it's a better plot than my original idea. The Bugs could probably be the reason they fled through the HALO in the first place. Maybe the Terran Federation needs help to defeat the Bugs and they activate Halo to seek out allies.

Unicron is apparently dead right? I would cringe if Bombsquad had him assimilate entire covenant and Coalition fleets and or planets. He is one scary dude in everything he does and I would know he's my fave character.

Anyone know if they will introduce Zoids into the series. They are on level with the Gundams in terms of fighting ability.

#17 Jun 05th 2007, 8:12pm
SpartanCommander
Actually combat wise the Bug's and aliens are pretty much evenly matched. the bug's can easily replace the forces they need to take aliens down and aliens can take down many bugs.

I think the bug's would be more like a preditor the Aliens have on their homeworld. Did you know that the Aliens have natural preditors and that's why they have such a strange and violent colony system. I think the Bugs would actually be an interesting way to keep the Aliens in check and maybe it can be a way to offer peace talk's between the human's and the bugs (in the origional book brain bug's can't actually eat other peoples brains and bug's are more curious about humans than interested in violently killing all humans so I think pease talks are possible).

Also your fear's can rest I'm not planning on using Unicron he's dead hence why Galvatron and Starscream are alive this takes place at that time around the cartoon and I'm including aspects from the Marvel comic as well (including G2)

However I will tell you that Starscream's first hurtle will throw most of the ballance of power into almost chaos (and this wasn't even Starscream's inthenchion.)

#18 Jun 06th 2007, 2:40pm
The Shadow Syndicate
Peace could work. Maybe even an alliance?

It would be kind of Ironic. The Bugs need Humanity to help get rid of the Aliens so they settle terms. The Aliens are a huge threat to both species. Maybe Aliens could begin to imprenate bugs? I don't know how that would work but its worth a shot.

Seriously is there any race that even comes close to the transformers in terms of tech? I'm stumped.

#19 Jun 06th 2007, 4:10pm
SpartanCommander
THat's hard espidisally since the oldest ones I'm familiar with susually stagnate in tech and none even come close to the Transformer level of tech. Their technology never seemed to stagnate at all. It seems that they have an ingraned nature to look for newer ways to do stuff. Even the dumber ones of their race have had moment's of innovation. So I would assume that the one flaw of the older races stagnation is one thing the Transformers are immune to.

...Maybe one race I can think of the Glorft. But it's more like their tech is close enough for the two to consider eachother equals. The Glorft's tech is somewhat behind the TF's but their military forces number in the excesive. One of their mother ship's has enough mechs inside to cover the planet. And it's main battery is powerful enough to destory a planet.

Check out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bilYHoHNs8A

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIywZ6mtUKY

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bilYHoHNs8A

use the links in the pages to see the entire episodes. You would like it. (you know haveing a force like the Glorft in the FFH universe would be interesting.

#20 Jun 06th 2007, 7:47pm
The Shadow Syndicate
Well the Transformers are machines so I don't think their tech has to fear the wear and tear other tech does.

Right now I can only think of moderate yet not major threats to the Transformers. Take for example the Cylons from Battlestar galactica. I'm sure they could be a nuisence to Starscream but not a threat. Same thing with the Replicators. They would be a thorn in his side but not anything serious.

I wonder if there is going to be a machine alliance? The Borg, Cylons, Replicators and the CIS could team up to assimilate everything. All of their goals are in the same light anyway. It would be intresting to see General Greivous leading droid, cylon, replicator and borg forces into battle. They could possibly be a third faction in the War of the Universe. Admit it that would be a good spin off.

#21 Jun 06th 2007, 8:27pm
SpartanCommander
Ok but most of these robotic races have obvjectives that will inevitably lead to them destroying eachother. The borg will try to assimilate the other robotic factions intheir singlle mindedness. The Cylons will kill off all life that isn't Cylon. the Replicators will try to assimilate the Borg and other races and add that capability to their own. In fact most of these robotic races that try to kill off off other races and such because logic dictates is isn't very logica in fact they have proven several times that they have major flaws in their logic.

As far as I can tell an Alliance with these races would at most last for about 1 year before they start backstabbing eachother. Espesially the Borg because they view they give order to chaose but they really only give stagnation.

#22 Jun 07th 2007, 8:39am
The Shadow Syndicate
typos
#23 Jun 07th 2007, 9:05am . Edited Jun 08th 2007, 4:39am
The Shadow Syndicate
Yeah I was rambling again. Those factions wouldn't work well together.

I can think of several awesome factions to bing into this genre but you might think it's dumb but here I go anyway.

The Skrull and Kree from Marvel comics. Those two races are pretty far advanced in soldier and ship combat. Plus the two are in the middle of a war with each other so I think they could encounter a Halo and go through it hoping to gain more territory for their empire's. They actually could hold off the covenent and coalition fleets with their fighting capabilities. They are pretty good in mobilization abilities and technology.

Also I was thinking about them meeting up against the likes of the Cylons or the Borg. Maybe in the middle of the story the Skrull and Kree form an Alliance against these new intergalactic threats. It won't spill over into the Coalition/Covenent War unless Bombsquad approves of doing so.

So I will not mess with his war at all.

You think it's got a chance?

#24 Jun 08th 2007, 4:39am
The Shadow Syndicate
Plus I really want to write this. The idea of a Skull and Kree war fan-fiction has been floating around my head for the last two years man. I'd also love to include Dr. Doom but that would be too cliche even though he does posses considerable knowledge of intersteller travel and advanced weaponry. And he does have an army of Robots at his command and if he could mass produce them enough he actually be a force to be reckoned with but like I said it might seem too kiddy if Include him.
#25 Jun 08th 2007, 5:02am
SpartanCommander
Possibly I really don't know to much about them except for the fact that the Kree double crossed a few if it's allies when the Kree failed to hold up their end of the bargen. That would probaby cause problems.

I'm not really sure if it's possible but I do know that the size of the COvenand and Coalition would eventually wear down the Kree and Skurl.

#26 Jun 08th 2007, 8:40am
The Shadow Syndicate
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#29 Jun 08th 2007, 11:55am . Edited Jun 08th 2007, 8:40pm
The Shadow Syndicate
You know what? I'll just post the story within the next week or so. I don't think it'll be that much of an interference in the main struggle since it mainly deals with Terran Federation/Bug war. It's going to be called Far Flung Hope Invasion.

Get ready. The invasion has only begun.

#30 Jun 08th 2007, 12:18pm . Edited Jun 09th 2007, 6:38pm
The Shadow Syndicate
Stupid typos
#31 Jun 09th 2007, 8:18am . Edited Jun 09th 2007, 12:37pm
The Shadow Syndicate
First I'm going to focus on the Bug/Terran Federation War. Then the ALiens come in via an infested ship.
#32 Jun 09th 2007, 10:06am . Edited Jun 10th 2007, 10:17am
The Shadow Syndicate
There is one faction no one has mentioned that I think puts this saga worse off. In 1991 there was a game that paved the war for all survivor/horror and first person shooter game.

Developed by 21 people in a company called ID software. This game was called DOOM!!!!

I think the appeal for an invasion of the DOOM universe is very high among everyone here. Who agrees.

'Raises hand'

#33 Jun 10th 2007, 3:08am
SpartanCommander
The only flaw you have is that the Demon's in Doom have no space technology. Next they are a little agressive to the point of they kill anything that's not a demon no questions asked. The Covenant would never be able to convert them. If anything they would only be able to cause a small size infestation but very managable by either the Coalition or Covenant forces. The Spartan's could beat any of the Demon's in hand to hand combat.

As far as I can tell they would only be able to do minor raids using stolen ship's as far as I can tell they don't have much in understanding technology they just use what they have. It's really a little strange though.

The Major problem is that I don't really understand the Demon's tactics other than just charge into an area and kill or hide and kill they seem to really have no form of consise tactics.

#34 Jun 10th 2007, 8:09pm
The Shadow Syndicate
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