Barbie goths - Goths Forum

Topic: Barbie goths

I hate them.

#1 Nov 07th 2007, 11:49am

lol...I had such an unfortunate mental image of Rachel Woods, as she completes her transformation into Dita.

#2 Nov 07th 2007, 3:42pm

Always had a question...

Is Hot Topic gothic? Some say yes, some say no. What do you think?

#3 Nov 07th 2007, 4:26pm

I'd say it's mostly Punk, with a bit of Emo and Goth thrown in.

#4 Nov 07th 2007, 4:32pm

Dita? Isn't that Madonna's sex fantasy persona in her book "Sex"?

#5 Nov 07th 2007, 4:54pm

I'm not sure, I'm talking about Dita Von Teese, Marilyn Manson's ex, the actress/model. He's now dating Rachel Wood, who's blonde and currently seems to be channeling Dita's style.

#6 Nov 07th 2007, 6:07pm

Silver-hair Angel

What the hell is a Barbie goth?

And if it has the name "Barbie" in it, are they really considered goths?

#7 Nov 08th 2007, 11:12am

Exactly my point. A Barbie Goth is a stupid Bitch who dresses Goth Because She thinks it's cool.

#8 Nov 08th 2007, 1:45pm

I'd say it's mostly Punk, with a bit of Emo and Goth thrown in.

Ahahahaha. What do you think of the fact that I always find Hello Kitty stuff in that store for sale?

#9 Nov 08th 2007, 4:46pm

The stupid place has gone WAY downhill.

#10 Nov 08th 2007, 6:22pm

I call em trophy goths...

as for the actuall barbie...I saw her/it disgrace a witch for halloween. It was sad. I wanted to claw my eyes out of my sockets.

She made the witch look all happy....preppy

#11 Nov 10th 2007, 10:30pm

Death to Barbie/trophy Goths.

And Barbie Witches.

#12 Nov 13th 2007, 9:55am

One cannot be a "Barbie [Insert Primary Title of Magick Sect Here]" at all. Either you practice Magick or you don't. There is no middle ground. It has to be an integral part of who you are. Otherwise it's just empty words. Think of it as a "belief" (In reality, you cannot "believe" in Magick. You can only know or it doesn't work at all) system, with the addition of regular rituals. If neither apply, you are not a Magick user. There is no way to pose as a Magick user effectively. One can claim to know Magick, but few people take Magick seriously in the modern world now. If science cannot fully understand it, it must not be real. That's how the modern world works.

#13 Nov 23rd 2007, 1:27am

If science cannot fully understand it, it must not be real. That's how the modern world works.

Then why are there still churches up and about?

#14 Nov 23rd 2007, 8:21am

For the same reason that tobacco is legal while pot is banned. The Churches have a lot more power than underground spirituality. Religion SHOULD be banned for the same reason that a lot of drugs are; they can cause people to go insane and kill eachother. That's in a perfectly fair world. There's this thing called "moderation" but sadly, not enough people are able to have any sort of grasp on this concept, hence why we can't have nice things like the rest of the world. Some idiot is bound to kill himself and if it's dangerous to the stupidest of morons, then it has to be illegal for everyone. That's just how it works in this country. The only things that are still legal have a very large amount of money backing them, like alcohol, tobacco and organized religion. I call it Illegal God Use. What’s alcohol? Diluted poison. What’s tobacco? A poisonous plant with the addition of tar and other chemicals to make it less harsh as a cigarette. What’s religion? Well, the problem with religion is that it is a belief system. People are willing to die and kill in the name of a belief. It’s their belief and no one is allowed to take that away from the. Science doesn’t take religion any more seriously than it does Magick. Magick, however, DOES have a lot of scientific basis. It is a science in and of itself if you know what the root of the practice truly is.

#15 Nov 23rd 2007, 2:41pm

you can't ban religion. it is against modern morals of expression of individuality and personal ideas. people will say they are repressed and revolt. it was a problem of communism that got everyone fearing the destruction of democracy, and thus mccarthyism

#16 Nov 23rd 2007, 3:02pm

Magick, however, DOES have a lot of scientific basis. It is a science in and of itself if you know what the root of the practice truly is.

So...you mock science for being close-minded because, as you say, they reject what they can't fully understand, right? So then shouldn't you be ashamed to compare your 'Magick' field with such a rigid community?

Meh, I doubt your statement about Magick having a lot of scientific basis. But feel free to enlighten me if I'm wrong. Just remember to incorporate how it follows the scientific methods in there. (And I'm not just saying that to be elitist/snooty/anti-progressive, it's just that the scientific methods *are* the root of science. But I'm sure you knew that. =])

#17 Nov 23rd 2007, 5:57pm

Gaia Ishtara

The basic idea behind Magick goes down to the atomic level. The particles that make up atoms; what are they? Do you know? They're actually subtle vibrations, hence why all pictures we have of atoms are a blur. At any given time, these particles with phase in and out of existence. Where do they go? That question really has no answer, however the idea behind Magick is that you can manipulate these atomic vibrations that make up the universe by making them properly resonate, like with your voice or with gestures or even thoughts. Every thought has a specific frequency. If you continually emit that frequency by thinking about the same thing over and over, it'll become real in the world around you, usually with a time delay though.

There are supernatural beings though. Angels and demons are very real entities, however they are not quite as the so-called "Holy Books" tell us. Looking at either being can potentially blind you, even in a vision. The Sephiroth each have a different light to them. The whole idea behind "incantations" isn't just to look cool. It's to resonate a specific aspect of the universe, physical or otherwise. The various names of God such as "YOD-HEH-VAHV-HEH" carry a specific resonate frequency, but they have to be spoken right. You have to sort of "sing" them. You must put equal emphasis on each syllable and speak loudly and clearly.

If a visit to the Sephiroth is what you are attempting, you must chant a specific name of God and envision a certain color or symbol. If you try it enough times, one time you'll lose consciousness and end up within that very Sephiroth. If it is your first time, you'll want to be taken to Malkuth, ("The Kingdom") which essentially Earth. It's also not though. It should look like a redwood forest and the first person you see there is your guardian angel. It's a mix of the scientific process (any decent Magick user records everything they experience and try out in a log book) and spirituality. Even still, at the end of the day you'll get out what you put in.

#18 Nov 23rd 2007, 6:50pm

The particles that make up atoms; what are they? Do you know?

Protons, electrons and neutrons?

Anyway, this is very nice in theory, but I don't see how you can prove it. Unless it worked for you personally or something.

And I don't understand exactly how your thoughts, somehow transform into particles. Particles are matter. Thoughts are pretty much recollection and reflection.

#19 Nov 24th 2007, 3:34pm

Osiris Trismagistus

Yes, that's what I've said. The particles that make up atoms are subtle vibrations. What, did you think that they were ultra-tiny little balls of *something*?

I don't have to prove it. It works and that's all that matters. It's worked for thousands of years without being proven by science and it will continue to work even after science can properly grasp it.

Thoughts don't create matter. They emit a frequency that causes certain types of matter to resonate at a certain note or key depending of the thought or vocal expression. What is sound? Vibrations. What is matter? Matter is composed of complex structures of vibrations. It even says so in most school science text books. Since matter is vibration and sound is too, then that means sound can affect matter, which it can. Make sense?

#20 Nov 24th 2007, 3:48pm

No, Hot Topic is NOT GOTH.

It never will be, and these posers on this forum don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

#21 Nov 24th 2007, 5:20pm

Fuck, you're all so fucking retarded.

MAGICK DOES NOT EXIST. I used to practice it.

And it's all a placebo effect.

What make up atoms? Protons, Neutrons, and Electrons.

NOT SUBTLE LITTLE VIBRATIONS LIKE YOU 'TARDS THINK.

How do we know this as true?

Well, you're using a computer right now, YOU FUCKING MORONS.

PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND FUCKING THINK ABOUT IT.

Jesus.

Fucking morons.

Why do we let people like you live?

And OE, fuck off. I know you're a troll but you're rather pathetic at it. You should do it with some sense of style, not the mindless shit that you're doing here.

#22 Nov 24th 2007, 5:36pm

That's the Rusty we all know and love...

Personally, I think Magick is a bunch of crap. But that's just me.

#23 Nov 24th 2007, 5:38pm

Yes, that's what I've said. The particles that make up atoms are subtle vibrations. What, did you think that they were ultra-tiny little balls of *something*?

Awww....look at the little sockpuppet...it's sooo adorable.

Take a hike Lucy, OE's obviously made this 'Sryus' account account just for me. (And all the other friggin' million 'omniscient' accounts too, dreadfully uncreative. But no problems baby, one hour with me and you'll have enough imagination that God will be subscribing to you for his daily porn.)

#24 Nov 24th 2007, 5:39pm

Yes, that's what I've said. The particles that make up atoms are subtle vibrations. What, did you think that they were ultra-tiny little balls of *something*?

Awww....look at the little sockpuppet...it's sooo adorable.

Edit: FF.net and its stupid auto double posting can go fuck itself. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

But no worries you, OE, are enough to keep my life complete. :)

#25 Nov 24th 2007, 5:39pm . Edited Nov 24th 2007, 5:54pm

Rusty... if hot topic is not goth, what store is? hot topic is kinda more like a place where goths, emos, and (mostly) punks can get together and buy their crap.

and technically, quarks - the stuff that protons neutrons n electrons are made up of do vibrate, so they are made of...dun dun dun...subtle vibrations AND little tiny balls of *something*

there. now everyone's happy. *looks to see mob running after her...* oh shit.

#26 Nov 24th 2007, 6:07pm

and technically, quarks - the stuff that protons neutrons n electrons are made up of do vibrate, so they are made of...dun dun dun...subtle vibrations AND little tiny balls of *something*

This is a thread designed for idiocy. Don't even fight it.

#27 Nov 24th 2007, 7:33pm

I used to practice it.

Oh? What type of Magick? I'm quite sure you had no fucking clue what you were doing at the time because it works for me and it works for countless other people.

What make up atoms? Protons, Neutrons, and Electrons.

NOT SUBTLE LITTLE VIBRATIONS LIKE YOU 'TARDS THINK.

We all know that atoms are made of Protons, Neutrons, and Electrons however what are those? If they aren't vibrations then what are they, almighty faggoth? Please bestow upon me the secrets of the universe, Grandmaster Buttfail. I simply must know!

OE's obviously made this 'Sryus' account account just for me.

Are you blind or something? Syrus Maguistus is my oldest account on this site. Can't you see the little blue dude next to the name?

Personally, I think Magick is a bunch of crap. But that's just me.

I used to as well, but then I started to do some reading and conducted some research. After trying it out a few times-- holy shit! Dis stuff actually works!

PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND FUCKING THINK ABOUT IT.

Jesus.

Fucking morons.

Why do we let people like you live?

And OE, fuck off. I know you're a troll but you're rather pathetic at it. You should do it with some sense of style, not the mindless shit that you're doing here.

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Cutters

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Fail

#28 Nov 24th 2007, 11:15pm . Edited Nov 24th 2007, 11:20pm

Oh? What type of Magick? I'm quite sure you had no fucking clue what you were doing at the time because it works for me and it works for countless other people.

You're so cute, darling. But I thought

One can claim to know Magick, but few people take Magick seriously in the modern world now.

Are you blind or something? Syrus Maguistus is my oldest account on this site. Can't you see the little blue dude next to the name?

So you're choosing that...that...THAT WHORE DTL over me!? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!!

#29 Nov 25th 2007, 11:13am . Edited Nov 25th 2007, 11:13am

This is a thread designed for idiocy. Don't even fight it.

not trying to fight anything, i'm just trying to understand their logic(which is not working out well for my poor head)

#30 Nov 25th 2007, 11:49am

Hail Myself

You're so cute, darling.

As in "throughout history" not just present day. Use your fucking brain more.

So you're choosing that...that...THAT WHORE DTL over me!? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!!

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/16_year_old_girls

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Attention_whore

#31 Nov 25th 2007, 2:08pm

I used to as well, but then I started to do some reading and conducted some research. After trying it out a few times-- holy shit! Dis stuff actually works!

So what? you go "ohm" like 20 times and believe in yourself and it works? 'Cos trust me, I've tried clicking my heels and saying I wanna go home...didn't work for me.

Enlighten us, child.

lol..Coruscate, you're so cute when you copy me, but I'm fair, you can have my leftovers :P

#32 Nov 25th 2007, 3:06pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaqRwFyoGgQ

As in "throughout history" not just present day. Use your fucking brain more.

Hmph. Don't know about that. But I do know that "throughout history" the paranormal has always fascinated most people. Henceforth, ghost stories, the ouja board, tarot cards, palm reading, etc has always been popular. If there's actually been a clue that crap actually worked, it'd be all over the media and the Magick doers would be rich, famous celebrities. CNN awaits you, OE. Hurry now!

Oh wait, on second thought, if that stuff actually worked, Magick would have found its way into textbooks instead of being labeled as pseudoscience. Oops.

BTW OE, I have found the perfect theme song for us wub.

#33 Nov 25th 2007, 3:36pm . Edited Nov 25th 2007, 3:46pm

Osiris Trismagistus

Magick isn't in the textbooks because it does not have a fixed procedure and/or reaction every time. You get out what you put in. To that note, there have been thousands of books published, detailing exactly how to properly perform specific forms of Magick and more are being released even now. Most Magick is not instant, nor is the effect. Depending on the type you're working with it could involve anything from monotonous chanting to complicated rituals that involve evoking the Arch Angels and marking the air with a dagger. Just because something is beyond the scope of your understanding, that does not mean that it cannot be real. Magick is beyond Science's scope of understanding, hence why it isn't taken seriously by very many people in the modern world. Believe me though, it is very real.

On a different note, does anyone here listen to Joy Division?

#34 Nov 25th 2007, 4:55pm

So if you believe in Archangels why don't you believe in God?

Magick is beyond Science's scope of understanding, hence why it isn't taken seriously by very many people in the modern world.

Clearly, you're not doing a very good job of convincing us that you're not some silly cult. C'mon, you're just repetitively insisting it's real...give us proof, show us some examples. And then you people wonder why we think you're bloody insane.

#35 Nov 25th 2007, 5:10pm . Edited Nov 25th 2007, 5:37pm

A quick 5 sec wiki seach tells me

Ian Curtis was the group's sole lyricist. Curtis would write frantically when the mood took him. He would then listen to the band's music (which was often arranged by Sumner) and would choose the lyrics that seemed appropriate.[46] Words and images such as "coldness, pressure, darkness, crisis, failure, collapse, loss of control" reoccur in his songs.[41] Curtis told the fanzine Printed Noise, "We haven't got a message really; the lyrics are open to interpretation. They're multidimensional. You can read into them what you like."

HAHAHAHAHAHA. And you criticize emos.

And if it's beyond sciene's rigid concept of proof (like the general gist of what your posts say about it), then why do you say it has to rely on the proper strict procedure of rituals and voice tones and stuff?

#36 Nov 25th 2007, 5:42pm

Osiris Trismagistus

Oh, but I do believe in God. I simply do not believe in your God or anybody else's God. I believe in the one almighty Yod-Heh-Vahv-Heh. The Original One who dwells in the Kether. Magick cannot be proven with words, only experienced. If you need absolute proof, Magick is not for you. It's fairly easy to tell that it exists and works if you know what you're doing. This is something that you can only find within yourself. Magick comes from within you. It is also a type of science itself. In ancient days, technology was Magick to many people.

Magick does not have set boundaries and can do nearly anything as a result. Science is very precise and ridged. If it cannot be proven again and again, it is nothing. Not everything that we as humans know for a fact are part of reality can be explained by science. Who is it that looks through your eyes? What are dreams and why are they sometimes shared by individuals? What caused the Big Bang? What is energy? Where do atomic particles go when they phase out of existence, only to appear moments later in a random place? What happens to you after death? Can you answer any of these? I doubt it, yet there must be some answer, right?

If you really wanna know what Magick is, do your research. I am no expert and I don't claim to be. I will not continue to waste bandwidth on this any longer. If you wish to understand yourself and the world around you on a deeper level, do some reading.

In oher news, there was no such thing as "Emo" in the days of Ian Curtis. He was one of the original Goths during the 80's. Emo came out in the 90's.

#37 Nov 25th 2007, 6:56pm

Oh? What type of Magick? I'm quite sure you had no fucking clue what you were doing at the time because it works for me and it works for countless other people.

Mmm, I love the way you use the whole 'Oh man it seems to work for me so it MUST be true!'. Face it dude. Any effect you experienced was thanks to a deep trance.

Which, dumbass, is something that can actually be achieved AND explained through a mix of science and psychology.

Anyways, what type of magick? Mind.

Mm, I love the sense of style that you're trying to show with those links to ED. But please, don't embarrass the EDiot's hard work by using their article in your pathetic little argument.

Hm, the paths that electrons and neutrons take are far from any kind of vibration, you fucking moron. Maybe, just MAYBE, you could get an electron to stay put and vibrate, IF you were smart enough to do that and keep the entire atom stable.

Fail? Oh yay! Some of my own material. Dude, your trolling sucks so much ass it's not funny. You make it horrendously obvious that you're here to troll and you keep it up with points you can't prove - word of advice my friend, you should stick to stuff that can not be disproven to any extent, such as opinions on books and so forth.

Obviously, you've succeeded at trolling us but I'm really not that impressed. You picked one hell of an easy forum to do it to.

#38 Dec 06th 2007, 6:25pm

Ah, and to reply to that question on why Hot Topic is not Goth, I'll simply say that Goth technically does NOT have an image. So how could you have a shop based around any of the subculture? Sure, you could sell Goth records there but Hot Topic actually doesn't.

Which, reminds me, emo died out about 15 years ago. People should just give the label a rest as there's been no emo bands since.

#39 Dec 06th 2007, 6:35pm

OK guys. Rusty's fine. He's actually chipper.

#40 Dec 08th 2007, 4:35pm

Which, reminds me, emo died out about 15 years ago. People should just give the label a rest as there's been no emo bands since

so what about all those bands that call themselves emo. Are they posers? or are they trying to bring emo back, like the fashion industry and retro?

#41 Dec 09th 2007, 5:02pm

You'd be surprized how many posers there are.

#42 Dec 10th 2007, 11:39am

Gunman44

rusty, xwhiteorblackx already explained this, the vibrations aren't in the neutrons or electrons or protons, they're in the quarks (the things that make up protons, neutrons, and electrons) they constantly vibrate and move in and out of existance. I'm not suprised by your ignorance of quantum physics though.

#43 Dec 29th 2007, 6:53pm . Edited Dec 29th 2007, 6:54pm

Gunman44

I like how this topic has moved from hating barbie/trophy goths to quantum mechanics

#44 Dec 29th 2007, 6:56pm

Person of Interest

Unlike chocolate and peanut butter, barbie and goth are not two great tastes that taste great together.

Hey! This is my first post!

#45 Dec 31st 2007, 10:25am

Hooray.

#46 Jan 02nd, 12:30pm

Gunman44

sooo...How 'bout them llamas?

#47 Jan 04th, 6:41pm

spiders are better than llamas...

#48 Jan 06th, 4:16pm

Snakes are better than spiders.

#49 Jan 06th, 7:14pm