Though I really don't know why Patamon is bashed, I mean I don't find anything bad with him, personally I think that all the bashing got originated more from the english dub.

Patamon's dialogs in the dub were really dumb in a lot of scenes, like when as Pegasusmon he got hit by Andromon and when he dedigivolved he said "I'll take two cheeseburguers and a big order of fries" or something like that when the real thing he said in the original version and the spanish dub was "I knew the ultimate digimon was too powerful"

As you can see it was totally diferent, just like Davis calling TK, TJ, TE, etc. it was only on the USA dub.

Na offense but the USA dub really sucks, sorry to say it so directly but is the truth.

And What I meant to say is that Patamon wasn't that annoying, and you should hear his voice in the german dub it was all but girlish, all the oposite it was very deep since it was a guy who did his voice.

Plus Veemon's original japanese voice is as girlish as Patamon's and I know it because I have his image song called Go Ahead.

About the comedy, I don't say it should be some comic things but the US dub really screwed some of the good dialogs from the original version with their comedy and that takes out good dialogs.

Dear, just accept it. People will be debating over this as long as there are people who remember Digimon. All you can do is just write the best fanfic you can and hope to found a fanbase of your own.

And don't count with that I will forget Digimon anytime soon.

You know? you kinda remind me of another Daikari fan who used to be an author here on fanfiction.net, his name is Mykan, he self-proclaimed the king of Daikari and much like you think that only Davis has right to be with Kari.

Now let me explain you a bit about this guy Mykan

Mykan is a very singular guy, account here on the site got banned because he was very harsh and inmature, he didn't accepted the criticism he got on his reviews, when he didn't liked something in the reviews on his fics he simply deleted his fic and reposted it again to start with 0 reviews, he only wanted to get only good reviews but that was impossible when his fics weren't good.

He even posted on the digimon category a "war" declaration against Takari obviously ff.net deleted that one because it wasn't a fic.

Then in December 2004 he started to bash the Takari fics by putting no sense reviews about that as long as Davis remain without Kari, he (Mykan) never would be happy, plus on each review he added a long drama song, heck and to the ones who dared to answer him, he sealed them in pokeballs.

The guy was nuts.

Now and before you snap flaming, I'm not saying you're like him, I'm only saying that you think like him when it comes to say that Davis should win

But Flaming reminds me of her because she is also a die-hard Daikari fan. Only difference is that she was awfully calm in her reviews, and that's what pushes buttons. I think I almost broke the calm thing with my now deleted Me and Emily fic. ^^

Flaming, read Dark Qiviut's 'Thoughts of the Children'. This fic opened my eyes about Davis, because let me tell you, I was a die-hard Takari fan and read Davis basking fics like there was no tomorrow. But once Darky uploaded Davis's chapter, well, let me say my plans for my own Davis-bashing fic went out the window. I can now stand Daikari. It depends on how well the fic is written. I'm probably not going to read Gallantmon of the Hazard's fics because from what I hear, Davis is a god and nobody can defeat him, not even a Mega against ExVeemon. Hopefully Darky's fic will at least let you be more...what's the word I'm looking for? Tolerant of Takari. I know it did for me and Daikari. Just read TK's chapter and get thinking.

Silverdash

S/he is NOT a fan of any couple in particular. S/he is a fan of GOOD WRITING. Y'know, that wonderful combination of in-characterness, coherent plotting, and readable prose? Heee. "die-hard Daikari fan." Heeee. I can guarantee that if s/he HASN'T commented on some Daikari fics... there are certainly ones out there at s/he WOULD comment on in that same, 'infuriating' (READ: brutally honest) fashion.

It's like... if someone doesn't like most of the fics for a pairing (which, okay, CF appears to do in the case of Takari), it must automatically be a jihad against that pairing, and thus s/he must OBVIOUSLY be a die-hard fan of the only other person you could ever put Hikari with. Obviously. ... It couldn't possibly be that the stories that CF comments on actually just SUCK, could it? No, of course not. ... heee.

Sorry, I'll just be over here laughing my ** off. ^_^

This is a brief list of the Daikari fics that make me ill. It just so happens there are *more* Takari fics, and more of them are badly done, so therefore, they get my attention more.

Years Go By by Orokid (revolting portrayal of Daisuke *and* Takeru just in the first chapter, I couldn't stomach reading any more. Even I have my limits)

Wolf's Fang by Shadow of Miracles (completely and utterly *not* understanding anything about Daisuke, much less the concept of 'dress code')

Nine Months In The Socks of the Motomiyas by KhakiBlueSocks (using the Chosen females as BROOD MARES instead of actual breathing thinking human beings)

An Enemy's Friendship by Charmeleon (Anything that starts off with the author's notes going: "I read a lot of fics where the Digidestined really didn't appreciate Davis. I thought about them a lot. It came to the point where I decided to do one of my own. In this fic, neither the older nor younger Digidestined respect Davis or Veemon, which encourages him to quit." is vile and unclean in my opinion.

I could go on and on. Most of the ones that revolt me the most are those that claim to be 'supporting' DAisuke by having him overhear the 'horrible things' that all the others say about him behind his back, and he runs off. That's just as much Daisuke-bashing as anything else.

No, I am not a strict Daikari fan. I am a fan of good writing. It's just that *my* idea of good writing doesn't include most of the things your basic Takari writer ever bothers with.

Not that I'm expecting anyone to listen to *this* either.

Silverdash

Because someone has to be. If no one ever gets told what they did wrong, then they may never learn. Some do, but most don't.

, I mean when i first started out here and put in my first story, you completely hated it and keep on telling me all this **, and i just felt like quitting ff.net.

Why? Because not everyone told you that you were good and someone pointed out what you were actually doing wrong? Welcome to real life, kid. Just wait til you get a job and you have to go through a performance review. You'll thank me then. Did you even bother to check if anything I said was *right* or not? Or did you just assume I was automatically wrong because I wasn't saying it with flowers and ice cream?

But thanks to some people who supported me on my second story like Dark Quiviut, Gallantmon of the Hazard, Psycho G and others I decided to continue being here.

So, as long as you have people who tell you what you want to hear, you can write. People have told me what I don't want to hear. I learn from it. I find out what made them say it and do what I can to fix it if I judge they're right.

What i'm saying is that maybe you should try to not make it seem like the writers from the stories you don't like have no talent.

There's a good chance most of them don't. Being able to hit most of the right keys and write a popular couple or plotline doesn't automatically grant one talent. Have you actually *looked* at most of what I review? Hideously mis-spelled, grossly out of character (Daisuke abusing Hikari. Yamato abusing Sora. Takato abusing *anyone*. Ryou abusing Ruki. Junpei abusing Izumi. Izumi letting anyone abuse her. Daisuke randomly betraying the others. The others just randomly not liking him. Daisuke keeping secrets from his friends. "True love" at nine years old.), huge clumps of text that wouldn't know a paragraph if it bit them on the **, revolting Mary Sues that spend more time on their wardrobe and how abused they are than the plot, randomly reforming the Kaiser with a twitch of Miyako/Daisuke/Sue's eyelashes...

This is what is supposed to be talent?

I think he can come on a bit harsh at times, but still... Constructive criticism is an excellent way to improve!

I agree whole heartedly

Silverdash

Silverdash

You know? you kinda remind me of another Daikari fan who used to be an author here on fanfiction.net, his name is Mykan, he self-proclaimed the king of Daikari and much like you think that only Davis has right to be with Kari.

Now let me explain you a bit about this guy Mykan

Mykan is a very singular guy, account here on the site got banned because he was very harsh and inmature, he didn't accepted the criticism he got on his reviews, when he didn't liked something in the reviews on his fics he simply deleted his fic and reposted it again to start with 0 reviews, he only wanted to get only good reviews but that was impossible when his fics weren't good.

He even posted on the digimon category a "war" declaration against Takari obviously ff.net deleted that one because it wasn't a fic.

Then in December 2004 he started to bash the Takari fics by putting no sense reviews about that as long as Davis remain without Kari, he (Mykan) never would be happy, plus on each review he added a long drama song, heck and to the ones who dared to answer him, he sealed them in pokeballs.

The guy was nuts.

To defend my friend (yes, I call him friend, and you'll see why), that was a few years ago. He actually has a new account on ff.net, and he's much more mature about it now. You're right about him being a bit of a nut (for different reasons), but he's no longer a flamer, and understands that Takaris and Daikaris can coexist peacefully, as I understand (for a more accurate history of exactly what the deal was with him, check out his profile, he now goes under Dakari King Mykan).

And now, to get to the more on-topic point of this post, character bashing is just wrong, but it comes with the territory of ship wars, so we might as well get used to it. Me, I'm just going to start ignoring any and all character bashing that I see, everywhere.

Why doesn't anybody bash Hikari She is probably the only one that you should really dislike yet many love her.

*laughs* Well, here's one who doesn't! Although I like all of the characters in Digimon, Hikari would definitely be my least favorite, if I had to pick one. But, even so I wouldn't bash her, just because I hate bashing. Funny, though I often find it easier to write the characters I'm not as fond of compared to the ones who are my favorites...

I agree.

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