As far as Chase paying for his crimes, he did some shady stuff, this is true. However, there are some many unaswered questions about him and why he did what he did. They gave a little hint when he was tossing it up with Caleb in Sarah's room. He asked Caleb if he could imagine what it was like to grow up not knowing what the hell was happening to you. I mean really, that could cause some serious damange to someone if they woke up on their 13th birthday and all of the sudden they had magical power. And then, the movie states that his parents died on his 18th birthday, the same day he ascended. Everybody knows that my theory is that he was in the car with them when he ascended and it caused a car accident, but it is very possible that he ascended and then decided to kill his parents, but I find that hard to wrap my mind around. He'd had power since he was 13, he could have offed them at anytime or better yet, used his power to control them and keep them alive for appearances... even still he could have done just that and once he turned 18, offed them because he didn't need them anymore. Do you see how the possibilities are endless?

Anyway, I do agree with RedRouge in that they'll probably bring him back and he'll be good by the end of the film. There were a lot of things that happened to him that weren't his fault and could cause a person to go insane. His Ascenstion being the biggest as he had no idea about Ipswich or John Putnam before he found his father and after he ascended, so he ascended not knowing what the hell was happening to him, so you know, that could drive you a little batty.

My biggest hope is that they get a new screenwrite and put more depth into the characters. No more cardboard villains and super sweet good guys. People have layers even in movies. I think they'll learn from their mistakes and make a much better movie this time around.

I hope that if they do the sequel that they actually have the people from the first movie into the second. I hate sequel's that didn't have the original cast in it. :P

That's all the spoilers I'm going to put here. I hope.

Speaking of double doses, do you think it would make it that much harder for Caleb to fight the addiction? I know he's supposed to be the "golden boy" and all that, but you'd think that twice the power would mean twice the temptation. It'd be cool if they addressed that in the movie.

And the movie kind of overlooked the Covenant as a whole in that respect, so it would be fun to see them join together as an actual team. Renny Harlin, the director, said in his commentary that this was an 'ensemble' piece, but it really seemed like the 'Caleb and occasionally the other guys' show. Ensemble is more like X-men. This was one guy as a part of a Covenant, but not about the Covenant as a whole.

And one more thing I remembered (also going to be explained in my story) is the lack of origins and history they had. Yes, they came from the Salem Witch Trails, but that's all we get? We're supposed to just accept that we don't know why these guys have these powers and no one else in the world does? And what exactly happened at those trials that made them take a vow of secrecy? I think some history in the new movie should be addressed.

(By the way, I will remind everyone here, in the commentary on the DVD, Renny Harlin DID say he was going to make another sequal. Maybe because the movie kinda flopped it might be reconsidered or shelved, but for now I will cling onto what Renny said.)

Signed,

--RedRogue

As far as the history goes, I tired to explain how they got the power in "Proof" and in my Covenant universe, they are not the only ones with the power, however they're outcasts because of how their families got the power in the first place and they're kind of infamous for it in the "magic" community although they don't know it. It lends a kind of arrogance to them (with them thinking they are the only ones) which I'm exploring in my sequel. But you know, Chase is so mysterious that I'm just having fun with my stuff and doing what I want although I am trying to stay with the cannon of the movie.

I believe the website says that John Putnam tried to use the power to rule the other settlers. It's possible that he flipped out like Chase and tried to collect power as well. I'm guessing he was acting out and starting to expose them so they agreed to let him hang in Salem to protect themselves. We also know that John Putnam was tortured in his own barn. It's possible they also bound his power so he couldn't save himself, but I'm just guessing.

I think it's agreed that the sequel needs some backstory. You can't connect to the characters and their struggle if you don't know exactly why they are struggling. I remember Renny saying something about them filming scenes to try and explain the power and the history, but it was scrapped during editing.

I would love to see Caleb fight temptation and addiction. It'd be completely unrealisic if he didn't. And to be honest, super prefect characters are annoying. No one is perfect. You can't connect to someone if they're walking around with angel wings and a freaking halo. I personally think that Caleb could be a great character if they gave him some layers.

Signed,

--RedRogue

But what i'm worried about is that the movie will be unoriginal. The possibilites are endless, but all predictable. I hope they think of something interesting and innovative to do.

on a random note, has anyone ever read the graphic novel or the Covenant?

Something I'd like to see in the sequel is more info about everyone else's parents. We know all about Caleb's family, but where are the parents of the other 3 boys? It might be interesting (unlikely, but interesting nonetheless) if, since Chase and Caleb have 'double doses' for the other 3 boys to get it, too. Doubtful, but hey.

Can't wait to see some true confirmation on a sequel. I knew right after seeing it that they left it totally open on purpose, but still haven't listened to the commentary, so I didn't hear what Renny said. I'd love to get a link for a current confirmation, though.

I vote definitely more depth of character for all of them. I know it's an action genre, but truly, the boys were so two dimensional. And I'm not blaming the actors at all. I think the guys did the best they could with what they had. I blame the writer and director for taking an awesome concept and executing it poorly. There was too much focus on walking down dark hallways and not enough on the characters themselves. Oy, i just wanted so much more.

Chase would have to come back. He's as much a part of the covenant as the rest of them. And personally, I want to see Reid and Tyler battle. And what exactly will happen if Reid ascends and he's addicted? I'd like to see the repercussions. All we had was Caleb's Dad old and ugly? What happens when they're still young? Do they turn evil or just careless? Oh, so many questions.

I think i would be cool if they jumped to Tyler, no offence(sp?). The first and the last. Tylers' the guy with the mysterys. All we know is what the website tells us. No one in my family could pin point his personality till i looked it up. Everyone knows about Caleb(Golden Boy), Reid(Cocky, Hotheaded, arragent) and Pogue(possesive, romanitic, loyal), but all we now about Tyler is that he 'Doesn't have the balls' to lie to Caleb, and It's always 'Reid and Tyler'. Why is it alway Reid and Tyler? Why isn't it just Tyler? I think If Chase came back, it would be fore Tyler, because he's the weakest link. IN the website, it said he's very loyal(sp?), almost to a fault, he'd do anything for the others.

If there is another movie, it would have to focus on all four boys, or five, whatever. Or there will have to be atleast three more, focusing on each. The Later seems most unlikely, though.

Since when in the movie did Reid back down or listen to what Caleb said? *sigh* my own personal opinion there.

I also have to strongly agree about the lack of character development, especially on Tyler's behalf. He was probably my favorite character (after the second time, because the first go around I was gawking mindlessly at Reid, and at Pogue's abs...). They could do SO much with his character it's uncanny, because we really don't know much about 'baby boy'.

I could see the sequel going in several different ways, but I have to agree that the most likely would be to see all five come together to fight something worse than what they went through with Chase.

(Thanks Jeannie-Redd, for watching the Comic Con and bringing me this bit of life-changing news.)

*faints*

Damn, even Baby Boy's gonna be all grown up by then.

I don't think I can wait that long...

Anybody with me? :(

Needless to say I could go on forever about possible themes and ideas for the sequel but I am just going to rant on what I 'think' should happen in the sequel, and coming from a chick who's been roleplaying one of the Sons on myspace for a year now I am going to be biased but hell I got a bit of insight to boot.

Firstly, the material has massive potential to be a dark, suspenseful and serious supernatural thriller. It was beautifully shot with the scenery and such but it didn't quite get to the mark that say, The Crow reached (making reference to the Crow simply because they are both have comics). I want to see that sort of welcoming dark theme. Secondly, and hell I'm going to make a lot of enemies with this comment but ditch the whole aiming at a teen/pre-teen market. Why? Search the IMDB boards and what topics prevail?

"OMG so which one is the hottest Covenant boy?"

*Yawns*

Once again, the material has the promise to be so much more than a fluffy movie aimed at hormonal teens. I'm not saying this to insult anyone by any means, no. Hell I rushed out to buy the dvd the day it was released, BUT I would love to see it handled better with a better, tighter script, better developed characters and focusing more on the 'brotherhood' which seemed to be one of the core themes of the film. Yeah they are all powerful witches/warlocks but you've got to give some focus on the bonds between the four boys (i'll get to Chase in a moment) and the intricacies of what its like to be eighteen with all this power and the fallout that will happen now that they know Chase is one of them and well lets face it, not dead. To me, thats the core of the film, not five hot guys with powers, but the relationships between five families with extraordinary powers.

Chase, Dead? No. See I like the idea that the bloodlines are all connected somehow and they need all five to survive. Kill one without an heir, they all perish(So stealing storylines from my group). Not to mention I did read somewhere that all five guys did initially sign on for three films, but taking into consideration that I've not heard a word about the sequel since the comic con and by the time they are ready to shoot the original cast may be a bit old to portray high school students hmmm...what to do.....ahh this is where you cue in the fact that their powers according to the film age them once they ascend. I'm personally liking Putnams little trick in the comic with consuming souls but hey....

So...what I'd like? Well, someones gotta notice something right? The threat of exposure looms, the return of witch hunters or worse and oh by golly gosh all five brothers have to band together to survive somehow. Once again throwing in the complexities of the relationships between the five brothers (no not in that manner perverts, they're straight). A change may happen in the Covenant, after all Chase aint going nowhere and they have to do something with him (reinstate the boy? I have known a Chase rper who was seeking redemption, not a bad idea to play out actually) and really who said that one of the boys couldn't easily be swayed to the darker side of their powers *coughs and smirks* Ahem, yes, moving on.

Now onto the girls in the film. Kate, yeah she was kind of boring BUT I do see her relevance to the storyline. As I see it she was one of the most popular girls in school, Pogue was one of the most popular guys and she made him happy, forget his families legacy and pretend that all was normal in his life etc. Ideally, I'd still want to see her kept in the dark in the sequel, he's too chicken s**t to tell her he's a witch and have her reject him. She is a girly girl and would freak out over him being all demonic looking. Sarah, well lets face it the girl wasn't overly pretty, not enough to catch the eye of wee Danvers over all the rich little girls at school. Lets not forget that this was a character that got into this exclusive school by scholarship correct? Yet she chooses to run errands with a complete stranger into dark woods where she hears gunshots yet doesn't think somethings up? Did she never get the stranger danger talk or is she just another money hungry trailer ** looking for a meal ticket? I'm just saying the character wasn't developed well enough to make me realise what 1: Caleb saw in the girl and 2: Why someone who apparently is intelligent enough to get a scholarship to an elite school could be so insanely stupid.

So ditch Sarah (trust me the rpers will love the writers forever), keep Kate purely for her relationship with Pogue and focus purely on the Sons of Ipswich and the storyline.

At any rate, I'd put up with pretty much anything to see all the original cast back for a sequel. I'd probably ** about it later, but that's half the fun. :)

--RedRogue

Joe said in an interview that he had no say in the final decision making for the movie. He had wanted them to push the envelope with his script and make the movie more edgier than your average run of the mill David DeCoteau flick, but it was the studio who wanted a movie for young teenagers and that they took a responsible stand point in designing the movie. That meant no graphic vilence, dark horror elements, no pentagrams only pentacles, no mature situations depicting a homosexual lifestyle, no shots of viscera or **, etc. Boo...

But hell I'll criticise the f**k out of it and probably still love it for its mindless goodness.

But one MAJOR thing they left out of the film and they better spare the funds to shoot the scene this time but am I the only one royally p***ed with the scene where Pogue goes up against Chase? I did really hope to see him getting his a** kicked.

But I'll go read your work RedRogue. *nods* As for the cast, the full original cast or an entirely new one, no half and half business. I gather scheduling conflicts would be a major hurdle with two cast members filming GG and FNL.....and whatever movies the other three are doing.

I bet some dark malicious types saw them spitting some mad game and decide to set up some Putnam ** before the Covenant got too powerful and created calamity between them. I hope in the sequel Caleb goes all One Blood, talks to his Grandpapa-dukes and Holmes’s that all kwatro need to band together to defeat those who done them wrong.

Chase will be chillin in the burn ward, you know the place where they scratch you burns down with one of those wiry brushy things? trying to get his grub on. When Caleb and crew show up he'll be all like, no, i still got beef with you c-words so bounce. Caleb is all captain guilt man and does the Harlem shake to the nearest place he can sip on some sizzup and all that brown liquor just likes his moms does on days that end in Y.

Thens the real big bad shows up at the H-town to wack the spoonge out Chase so no mo Putnam babies, but crackhead Collins will have none of that. So Chase brings the drama in ghetto vision and shows off his crazy upstate super psycho style. There is jumping kicking and plenty of azz whooping going on but CeeCee ain’t got the guns of before cause of his burns ans the mofo just too strong for him.

Then Aaron Abbot shows up to sorta save the day and reveals that his ancestor was a wi-otch and in the Salem trials too and that’s why he feels the Sons of Ipswich are posers cause they did nuthin to stop it and catches a mad fierce beat down from the big bad. CeeCee asks him how many hours a day he spends huffing paint, and A. replies he’s hitting in the face now, I didn't know we was hitting in the face, before R. Garwin and P. Parry show up to help while T. Sims goes off to get C. Danvers.

Then C. R. A. P. get up for the git down before T. finally shows up with a heavily krunk C. After dispensing with the beat down, the bad guy bolts promising that they’ll be kicking it with his own peeps soon enough, and Chase has to side with covechronic crew for the sake of his precious junk. Movie ensues. Yup, yup, that's what i thinks now, and I ain't mean you boring, i say ** just clowning somtimes.

Caleb - Golden Boy, Leader

Pogue - Loyal, Wingman to Caleb in a way, loves his Ducati

Reid - Cocky, Hotheaded, Arragent, Rebel, and most likely a Playboy

Tyler - the only things I know is he's quiet, as Caleb put it doesn't have the balls to lie to him, and he's the baby if the group as to his nickname of Baby Boy

Caleb and Pogue tend to stick together and like Reid and Tyler do....

The only family life that you know of for any of them is Caleb....Reid and Tyler share a dorm room at Spencers....

You said you thought Tyler was the weakiest link...that is were I disagree with you....I think he actually would be very powerful...I see it this way Chase uses the most, then Reid, than Caleb, then Pogue...Tyler only used 2 times in the whole movie...1)jumping off the cliffs and 2)when they were in the car and they went over the cliff than transported themselves back behind were the police car was parked....and both of those times everyone was using and for the second on they all had to use for it (and it was also Caleb's idea to do the car cliff thingy).

So by the movie I Tyler uses the least out of them all....and both times it wasn't like it was anything big...though he would be the weak link for Reid, Caleb and Pogue since he is the youngest....I do agree that he seem very loyal and that he'd do anything for the others....sometimes thats not always good though....

In my opinion they should diffently make a sequel to Covenant...and I very much hope they do....I think it should focus on all the boys (and Chase if he comes back..which I think he most likely would) but more on Tyler and Reid....maybe have Pogue tell Kate about The Power...and add 2 new girls one for Tyler and one for Reid....I think it would funny if they did that but the new girls had some type of power...not like the boys but something else.

~Tala~

I'm going to go back and re-watch the movie before I post anything here. I have some ideas but I want to go back first just to make sure.

I'm not holding out hope for any sequel right now, its been near on a year since the studio agreed and the original cast is off becoming successful and such (which I can't wait for XMen Origins btw)

And off topic.....since I have no idea how to post fan fic on here I have an ongoing saga (2 chapters thus far and its biased, tis all about the character I had been rping) you can read it at my livejournal

sociopathic_xx

Srry to just jump in, but i looked up on a website, and there MIGHT be a second movie to covenant just to let all of you know, well see ya!

i think it would be good to see Caleb go a little screwy with all the new power. he's always been the 'ring leader' it seems, the one everyone looks up to because he's such a 'good boy' . and since now not only has he got his own fully ascended poweres, he has his fathers; i think it wouldbe only right for Caleb to lose his way a bit. i REEAALLYY hope they make a second movie!!!

I thought something up for a story that I think I might write. What if someone from another Covenant came? Like this one had different abilities and they weren't affected as strongly by the Power as the Ipswitch families were?

I did alot of search on different sites,and this is what I found about the sequel,but I'm not sure if its true or not....:

- Listed to come out in 2010.

- Many different names for the sequel(these are the most seen)...The Blackbourne Covenant and The Covenant II: The Nonentity.

- A new rumored love intrest...Megan Fox.

- A new Sarah?...the studio is still thinking of this decison,because audience's did respond very well to Laura Ramsey.

- Different cast?...Taylor Kitsch and Toby Hemingway have been said to have signed on for the sequel,but not Steven Strait or Chace Crawford for the fact there both more known.(The studio is trying to get them back,but people are saying there probably not going to get Chace.)

- There is going to be 2 new actors in the movie...(auditions where held looking for a new girl and a new boy for the sequel).

- The sequel is just starting to surface on the actual 'movie filming' tables this year.

Please don't get mad,if I'm not right,its all the stuff I found on different sites,and forums.I never read any of the posts above me,so this is probably there,I hope this helps,and gives everyone hope for the sequel!

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