This thread is dedicated to those twerps who have tried the patience of myself and of my contributors. Here, they are named and shamed.

However, there is a twist: those authors who have been put in the Sin Bin can be released, i.e. the posts about them in this thread will be deleted, but only if they apologise for any bad behaviour or agree to get help with improving their stories. I am not a bully, not do I encourage abuse of any kind. However, I do not suffer fools gladly, and unfortunately we are not short of fools.

Story: State of Deviance

Sins: Mary Sue self-insert story

Begging for reviews in the author's notes

Bad spelling, grammar and formatting

Refusing to go to Maiafay's writer's workshop to get help with her story

Whinging about my review instead of committing to improve.

Comment:

I am not her Mom, and it is not my responsibility to teach her stuff she should have learned at school by now. There are writers' forums she can go to for help. I am not a teacher, I'm a post room clerk. I will not hold her hand while she learns the rudiments of the English language, it is her responsibility to go to the forums and ask for help herself.

I am glad you gave it ago. But next time, if you don't like it, just say it and go. Point out what you don't like so I can change it or don't send anything at all. I know you suggested a tutorial but I am already studying at school and the tutorial may cover a range of different things. It would have made a better review had you pinpointed he places that deemed wrong to you.

Your review only let me know two things.

You obviously dont like the story or my writing(which is ok. I dont mind) and that I am a laughingstock. Great.

I am really not that interested in someone who takes pleasure in making fun of my story.

I am hoping that the future chapters may be to your liking, or future stories-but, you must remember that I have only two chapters at the moment and that really isnt anyhing to go on. I am only getting started.

Thankyou for your review all the same.

Until next time,

alfalfa7

Story: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2782697/1/Hidden_Secrets

Sins: Inserting an OC character called Black Rose, named after a friend.

Basic grammatical mistakes; your/you're

Answering back even though I gave her quite a bit of concrit.

Not knowing how to write dialogue.

A lack of description, writing 90% dialogue.

Here's a snippet of her back chat;

Like I told you, I don't care what you think about my story. Post comments

about it all bloody day long, I don't care. I have seen stories get good

reviews and they are formatted just like mine and ReilyDraven's, same grammer

and all. But yet the funny thing is they have good reviews just like me. I

wonder why...oh i know, it's because we don't let haters like you bring us

down. So flame my story all you want, I don't care.

By the way, she's ReilyDraven's 'beta'. Calls herself a beta like, but she shouldn't rightfully be a beta.

Story: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3655069/1/Is_Love_Worth_This

Sins: Terribly unoriginal plot.

Mary Suathoring on a large scale.

Cliches.

Bach chat, again.

"Uh, ok, actually Sirithannaiel's name IS Elvish, and second of all, if you

don't like my story, tell me what the hell is wrong with it, not about how

sick and tired you are with all the other fan fictions out there. That's not

my problem, and if you hate it so much, just stop reading it. Thanks!"

Redeeming qualities; The biggest problem with this fic is just the plot and the OC. The writing is very mediocre, but any skill she may have is swammped by the fact the it's a big fat sue. Other redeeming qualities could be that since I flamed her she hasn't updated, what I like to call; me, winning.

Story: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1999378/1/I_am_Illegitimate

Note, this is a rewrite of; http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1577687/1/No_name

Sins: Originally: a very cliched plot and bad writing.

Now: the writing has improved because she is roughly four years older than when she wrote the above, but when it comes to her writing skills there are still somethings missing:

Uses numbers.

Is partial to run on lines about her OC's appearance.

The whole thing is lacking in description.

Plot; BAD plot.

Her OC's mother is a Siren 'one of the last of her kind' (do me a favour)

Her mothers great grandfather is Sarauman.

She is the illegitimate child of Isuldur and there for has to hide out at Isenguard *shrugs* not sure why.

Sarauman rapes her and is evil. I want to point out that all of this is happening at Isuldur's time so it's all wrong.

She used 'O.K'

I flamed her original story and I got this;

Quote: I recieved your review and I'd like to state a few things:

1. rude rude rude rude rude rude rude. Have you ever heard of CONSTRUCTIVE

CRITICISM? But I appreciate the feedback (in the inital paragraph, sort of CC

but not really.).

2. I wrote this story when I was 13, I know how bad it is. Im not stupid,

thats why I said I was rewriting it.

3. Authors should never discourage fellow authors from re-doing something,

thats crushing && not neccessary.

4. yes, the story will be different, and hopefully when I arrive home and can

fully appoint all my time to the story, you will enjoy it a little more.

Finally: I am not mad at you, nor am i writing a "flame" letter, im just

stating facts that were not written out in my authors note.

I appreciate the feedback as always & I hope the next time you read my story

it will please your reading tastes.

--B.O

So then I went over to her new rewrite (not sure why she doesn't take the original down now, but whatever) I've reviewed that as well, but less flamey more 'you're plot is silly, here's why' and I also replied to her PM telling her that she should take down the original and that I flamed her because stories because of the plot and OC.

ROFL!!!!

Sounds about right, Dear!!

Actually, she's in breach of TOS and can be reported for it.

New thread, "You beast! You Beast!! You BEAST!!!" where aggrieved authors can whinge. You can copy the web address into your reviews to bring them here. Please click on the thread first, then copy the web address, so they arrive at the correct thread. This should be fun...

Suggestion: write your review and end it thus:

Whinge here: http: //www. fanfiction. net/topic/29692/2432483/1/

In fact, just copy the above line.

**Rubs hands together with a gleefully wicked expression on her face**

I await the pleasure of their company.

Story: Three DERANGED teenagers to help ME

Sins: After PMing me, committing to sort out her terrible writing, what does she go and do? Posts more garbage to clog up our site! I am sick of skipping stuff, and I refuse to be the one to leave the site because of this. Then she ignores the rest of us. I'm so glad Flame Rising left a nice, warm review for her. I hope she takes the hint!

Comment: deceitful little toerag! Will wait till the badfic has been removed, no matter what she says, before I let her out of the Sin Bin. Her so-called comedy is as funny as having your teeth pulled out with a pliers!

Sinner: estrid2006

Story: The Fellowship of the Egg

Sin: After committing to improve her writing, and to move the above monstrosity off our section and into Eragon, she not only reneged, she came up with this:

i read your review for The Fellowship Hit Hogwarts. i think you were very rude to her. her story is great and i love her idea of different languages!!

she's not an ignoramus and i personally, along with many other reviewers, love her story. just because can'r come up with a creative story line, doesn't mean you have to go insulting her writing abilities. she is a very talented girl/boy and can write circles around any of your stories.

you helped me with my story problem, and that was as much a crossover as hers. the only difference was you were nice to me. what were you laughing along with others about my story?

and stop telling everyone who write s a crossover about Furnace, if they can write a story and stand up against reviewers like you. then they don't need you to shove it in their face that they have no idea to write (which they do). every writer is good to at least one person's eyes. and she got around 30 (great) reviews. you must have been poisned by an orc or something to believe that was a bad story.

know a good story when you see one!

from,

estrid2006

Comment: if anyone can make sense of this, please let me know.

She's referring to this:

Sinner: sazza da vampire

Story: The Fellowship Hits Hogwarts

Sin: Backchat and lip.

Is unwilling to do anything to fix her fic, or to accept real concrit. She claims to want a rapprochement, however:

sorry, i know that you're just trying to help, but it would be nice if you didn't put it in that sort of attitude.

when people (i'm using meyself and friends as examples) receive flames we just feel like * and want to attack back, but if it is put as CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, we will take note.

to point something out, try saying it nicely, and i don't mean in tone, i mean in choice of words.

Comment: She knows she's in the Sin Bin, let's see if she really wants out.

...Wendy! Break her face! (feel free to edit this XD)

I've read the Hogwarts one, I can't remember if I flamed it or not... oh dear XD

edit: Just checked the Hogwart's stories reviews, are you aware she posted that response to you on that message board?!

Sin: Revenge flame on my story, "Stolen" on a new account because she doesn't have the guts to be honest either about her writing or about who she is. She's so obviously a Suethor it's ridiculous - since she can't find any actual fault in my writing - the purpose of leaving my stories up.

Sucked...

Your obviously new to this whole "Writing" thing.

Tip: Stop Embarrassing yourself.

Comment: Have put this account on alert so I'll know if she posts any stories on it. What fun: she now has an account she can only use for communication - unless she blocks PMs. Titter! PWNed on every level.

Yeah...I love revenge flames, but they never seem to outdo the original concrit/flame. Hmmm, too bad.

I just got a dismissive reply from someone I sprung a concrit on. The bad sex scenes, comma abuse, POV abuse, dialgoue abuse is his STYLE. Um, sure...maybe if I hadn't at one time (long ago) used that excuse myself. He isn't LOTR though, so I can't list him here.

You actually can if you want to. This forum is a place where most of us are Tolkien buffs, but lovers of other fandoms are welcome here too - as long as they understand that we are mostly Tolkien buffs and are unlikely to recognise their fandom. The Sin Bin is for disrespectful little twerps who get all "pwecious" about their trash and abuse us instead of holding up their hands and admitting they are wrong. If someone has been abusive to you, pop the little twerp in here, tell him or her you have done so, and direct him or her to "You beast...!" to discuss terms for being released.

Penitence is considered to be genuine if the offender removes the offending story or improves it to a degree that satisfies you, and apologises for his or her behaviour. If this happens while I am away, simply edit the Sin Bin entry to let me know to delete it when I get back, and list the ex-offender in the "New and Improved" thread.

Story: Crystalline

By: (formerly) Indiglo (now) Irindiglo-Fairy

Fandom: Harry Potter

The Sin: I've seen screenplays and no, sweetie, that isn't one. A script for a play carries detail as a story would, but it's formated differently. One sentence lines don't cut it; the lack of setting doesn't cut it; the bad dialogue doesn't cut it...see where I'm going with this? This is a site for fanfiction, and while I'm tolerate of all forms of fanfic, badly written plays aren't my cup of tea. Add things such as expressions, introspection (because even screenplays will delve into the mind of the main character) and a better sense of the scene.

And on top of that, blocking everyone that doesn't throw you roses and bunnies, darling, is a sign of insecurity and shows a weak spine and thin skin.

For the Sin Bin, you'll like this one Meintatai;

Title: Of Suction Guns And Little Boys

Author: Meintatai Hound Girl.

Fandom: Not even important.

Sin: The sin is actually quite great, the story isn't... well, she forgot to write it. I told her as much in a review that her single sentences and then a handful of dialogue and then ANOTHER single sentence doesn't really cut it for me. Will she listen? Of course she wont! She's an ignorant little so and so, who 'uses flames for marshmallows'... and then uses them to make forums and waste her life away b***ing with fellow flamees about how terrible it all is. Cry me a f***ing river.

Sample:A yellow ochre tiger bounded out of a nearby bush, three suction cups stuck to his back.

“HA HA HA! I KNEW YOU’D SURRENDER!!” screamed a voice.

A spiky-haired blond boy fell from the tree he’d been firing from. “So, how did ya like it, Hobbes?” he asked the tiger.

That's about 25% of the story, the rest is EXACTLY the same, and is it interesting? Of course not, it's stupid.

I told her that she should improve and I'll presonally see that she is held here until she improves. You know, if she spent half her time working on her writing as she does cranking up her bull***t and throwing it in the face of some one who was trying to do her a favour, then maybe she'd actually be able to string a coherent sentence together.

:P

xxxx

Erm, no spamming, please.

Ta.

Put here because she doesn't listen to critics at all when her character is obviously a Mary-Sue.

I don't know the full story though. Apparently this is the second time she's posted this exact same fic. And it does seem to be a big foaming Sue thus far.

It's not that I don't listen to critics. My summary clearling marks it

as a

Mary Sue type story so people who don't like Mary Sues shouldn't read

it just

to say how bad it is. I already know!

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The latest miscreant in the pantheon of pillocks is a writer whom I have had no dealings with for months! She's a lousy one, needless to say...

Sinner: Sawyerslover

Story: Sicker than sick

Sin: A petty revenge flame months after the event! She's annoyed, it seems, that I have had the temerity to tell others to get someone else to look at their stories to check for errors. Here's what she had to say to me, in a review for my oneshot:

You tell everyone that they need a beta reader! Take your own goddanm advice, if you haven't already, because you are a horrible writer!

don't you realize that everyone hates you? i know i am not a perfect writer! but neither are you so stop acting like it!

Comment: People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Sigh! So everybody hates me. Boo hoo! Wait a minute - I have a popular forum and PM buddies and whatnot. Maybe "everybody" doesn't hate me after all. Added this toerag to my author alerts list. Hee Hee! Sings: Stupid girl...

Princess of Lorien by (formerly) bubblymuggle4 (now) LazyChestnut

For ignoring good counsel and putting an A/N as two chapters. Her rants:

Oh my GOD. Ok, everyone out there, LISTEN RIGHT NOW OR SO HELP ME I WILL SLICE YOUR HEAD OFF!

Thank you. Ok, seriously: I KNOW Celeborn and Galadriel only had one daughter; Celide is what the fanfiction world calls an OC. But none of you would know that, would you, seeing as how NONE OF YOU HAVE SUBMITTED STORIES?!! Seriously, people; why the hell are you criticizing me when you can’t even write a fic yourself?

Celide has been raised in freakin’ elven nobility; of COURSE she’s not going to be butch! Aren't we sick of the off-the-streets-maidens-who-can-swordfight-magnificently? Apparently not. I have read the books (for the most part), and I have SPECIFICALLY stated that it is MOVIE based, NOT book!

If you don’t like, there is seriously nobody making you read it unless you live in a terrible other dimension where the Mary-Sue Nazis are forcing you to read fanfics that aren’t amazing. I’m still a developing writer, ok? Yes, I need to learn from my mistakes, and I do take helpful hints and all that jazz, but blatantly bashing my work is not going to help me any.

I WANT to improve; I do! But I can’t do that if people are simply going to be rude and tell me to get better without offering ANY helpful advice whatsoever. So go ahead; bash me some more, because by now I’ve learned to ignore reviews for Lord of the Rings fans. You guys are so PICKY! I’ve NEVER seen people so nitpicky; it’s like the Aunt Pitty-Pat’s of the fanfiction world.

You have advice? GREAT! Tell me. I’m dead serious. You just wanna bash? Find another fic. Thank you and have a nice life,

and

Ok, I have another issue to address, and seeing as how I’m calmer after what I just wrote, there will be fewer capitals.

God. When I said Tolkien was sexist, I meant his portrayal of the main women, as in the women in the movies, as in what the fic is about. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again; this is movie-based, not book-based, so if that upsets you, LEAVE NOW.

See; that was only my first capital set of words!

Anyway. The only people with positive reviews actually HAVE accounts. This is causing me to draw strange conclusions. Seriously; if you don’t like it, I’m NOT making you read it. Almost every one of you has gone right off listing names I can’t even pronounce (if you do then I am truly sorry (anyone catch the sarcasm?)) of women who have supposedly done something great. Ok, yeah, they did that, great for them, but were there any women fighting in the battle of Helm’s Deep? Fighting anywhere, perhaps, OTHER than Eowyn dressing up like a boy and sneaking into battle? (if you review and mention her I will kill you with my bare hands)

Yeah, no. Not even the books have women fighting in battle. My God; this is called FAN fiction, people; that means you get to take liberties and play around with ideas and stuff like that. I’m flattered you all went to chapter 2, so it obviously wasn’t so repulsive you had to turn away from the 1st chapter (ha, I got you there) but seriously; I’m thrilled people out there read, because I got dumped in a hick little town where the students argue daily about the advantages of bull rifles over 12 gauges, and the fashion for boys is camouflauge overalls and pregnancy on the 14-yr-old girls, and no, I am not exaggerating.

But if you read into a book so well, why can’t you do the same with author’s notes? I mean, they’re there to explain things. If one of you bashers gets an account and submits a fic, then I’ve got two words for you: Bonne chance, my dears, bonne chance.

Darn. And I didn't even get a chance to spork it. I had my suitably patronising comeback all planned... Curse her for spoiling my fun!

Those with decent OC's are confident that they have decent OC's, and there is no need to mention the MS.

Actually, that goes for male characters too. Being strong doesn't necessarily mean being a good fighter. In fact, sometimes it means the exact opposite. And I say this as a big fan of battle scenes.

I'll stop spamming now. :P

Heh - I'm probably guilty here. Personally, I prefer notes (unless they concern the whole story) at the end of the chapter, before I've forgotten what I was reading. In any case, it's a site rule on ff.net that author's notes cannot be added as a separate chapter. I think the rule was added due to review replies that many authors were adding as an extra chapter at the end. (I'm not sure why this was considered to be a problem.) In any case, every chapter must have 'story content'.

Sin: revenge flame for something I did months ago. This account has no stories on, just a list of stories and authors she likes. Tell-tale sign: she hasn't put the author in question or the story in question on any of her lists.

That's okay, I will draw the attention of sporkers who are reading this to this person's Best Friend:

Sinner:Lady Akyrial

Story:The Valar's Gift

Sample of her backchat: I don't know how you could've flamed Lady Akyrial's fic The Valar's Gift so badly. This has got to be the worst fic ever. It's not even a fic, to put it bluntly. It was like reading 2 pages of summary. There's absolutely no dialogue, and no real talent. My 7 year old could write better than this. That was the revenge flame for Saruman's Task.

Comment: Just for the record, people, Seriously Wrong reckons she's a troll, and this is not her first story. Details here: http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/28244/1795268/5/

draegon-fire

Thanks for the message. Wha, Wha, Wha. Sin bin? How juvenile. I did get away

with it, or else you wouldn't have replied. You should get over yourself.

Considering the fact that I have a BA in Criminal Justice, and a 4.0 in my Master degree courses, I think I am smart enough.

If that was really true, she's realise that you're supposed to reply to people by PM or on forums, and that dialogue is when people talk to each other in a story. She would also know the difference between a story and a summary. Not so smart after all. That extra backchat is reportable!! Thanks, troll.

Some of the authors I follow have asked me before for a profile, so here it is, after many years. I'm sure they don't even remember asking.

I am 28 years old, and am going to school for Criminal Justice. I am a proud mother of one girl, soon to be two. I've been an avid reader of fanfiction for quite a few years now, even though I'll admit to never writing fanfiction. I don't have the patience for it, and find it to be extremely difficult.

I'm not a fanfiction writer, but do have things posted on the sister site, fictionpress.com, which have also been published by Random House in London, and the International Society of Poetry. I am just someone who really enjoys reading fanfiction, as you can tell from my list of favorite stories and authors. Everyone I have listed is highly deserving of the regard, since they have the most brilliant minds when it comes to writing. My biggest pet peeve is reading flames that other people posted about a story. It takes a great deal of guts to write fanfiction, and the ones who leave flames are often times insecure in their own writing. I've actually go to their profiles to read stories they've written, and found them to be the worst things in the world. Flaming shows extreme immaturity. I won't ever flame, but if I see something that could be improved upon, I'll mention it. That would be called constructive criticism, and I still show respect for the writer. I am considering the start of writing poetry about some of my favorite characters, but we'll see.

Sinner: MisoGirl

Crime: Standard bad grammar, spelling, and total lack of being in character. Claims she's in her twenties and spells like a seven year old.

I've gone at her very politely, and she responded with something along the lines of 'get those d***s out of your ears'. Don't have the exact response as it was a while ago.

She banned me, too.

Edit by WendWriter: I linked it.

If you see any stupid statements, put them in there - that thread has been quiet for a while XD

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1313043/Ember411 Ember411

Sins: Grammar. Refuses to adhere to the simplest points of grammar. When confronted (flamed... sorta) all she could do was make excuses over her incompetence. Sin 2: Could not take critism. Refuses to acknowledge critism of any kind except glowing reviews from her real life friends (or other puppet accounts). She says that because her friends "luv" it, she doesn't have to change anything. Sin 3: Her story is utter crap. In my opinion, it ought to be taken to story hell or jail for it's brutal beating of the English language. Horrible. Sin 4: Review whoring.

Case In Point: "Sheens Mom" "http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3864704/1/Sheens_Mom

Next Sinner

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1054472/lovinracin09 lovinracin09

Sins: Rudeness. she got angry at me for a review I wrote her (a Looonnngg time ago) and sent me a rude e-mail- in which she told me that I had no sense if I couldn't like her story, and she said that alot of people P.M'd her saying how much they loved it. Sin: The Existence Of A Mary-Sue. Her character, Bianca, is the WORST Mary-Sue I've ever encountered. Read her story (listed below) at your own risk. Sin 3: Plaigerizing A Song Openly. She calls one of her stories "Lips Of An Angel"- which, not only being plaigarized from the song by Hinder, but it's common-ness on this website is almost as bad as "My Immortal".

Case(s) in point: "Southern Charm" http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3001639/1/Southern_Charm

"Lips of An Angel" http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3114944/1/Lips_of_An_Angel

Writer: Friends of Fay http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1431337/Friends_of_the_Fay

First off I realize that I have errors with the first person.

Second. This is my story. I can have Strider raise an elf child if I want to.

Who are you to tell me how to write the plot of my story. I do not mean to

offend you in anyway. I will continue on with this story. Besides it was only

the Prologue.

~Sarah S of Friends of the Fay

It's kind of a strange response, but I do get review replies like that from time to time.

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