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cathrl
Canon is official. Something that was stated in the show/book/movie and official tie-in material. Some fandoms extend this to include things never published but written by the same people who did write canon, such as interviews with the author or production notes. If you break it, you're writing an AU (alternative universe).

Fanon is unofficial. It's something that was written by fans - usually it's something which has been adopted by a large number of fans and appears in fanfic by more than one author. You can break it to your heart's content, your take on canon is just as valid as anyone else's.

Just to confuse the issue, sometimes fanon becomes canon. Probably the most famous example is Sulu from Star Trek. He didn't have a canon first name in the TV series, but a fan started using Hikaru, then another, then it became fanon, then it became universal... and then one of the films used it, so it is now canon.

How do you recognise it? By going back to the original material. If it's not in there, it's fanon. Though if your fandom does the "if someone said it in an interview it's canon" bit you might want to ask on a fandom forum if you're not sure. Equally you might want to ask if you think something which you want to use is fanon - it might instead be something someone considers their particular baby, which they've given a couple of their friends permission to use and will get mad at you for copying. It's an area where it's sadly easy to offend someone accidentally - if in doubt, ask :)

#451 Feb 25th, 11:05am
PaddysGal
I just HATE Mary-Sues. They drive me insane. (And, in the Harry Potter fanfics, I HATE the stories with this girl that comes in and says "Hello, I'm Sirius'sDumbledore'sMalfoy's daughter! Now, if that isn't cool enough, all the boys are going to fall in love with me and I'm going to run away with Harry and will both defeat the Dark Side and live Happily Ever After! NO! NO! NO!)

I also hate it when someone has this great story and then, suddenly, it's a year later and they haven't updated. It drives me insane! If you are going to have a story, at least say when you aren't going to be able to update for awhile.

I also don't like Extreme OOC's. I can live with a litle OOC. People have already made awesome characters for you to use, they have personalities and backgrounds. Don't change them to much.

#452 Feb 25th, 1:24pm
otherrealmwriter
Hello, I'm Sirius'sDumbledore'sMalfoy's daughter! Now, if that isn't cool enough, all the boys are going to fall in love with me and I'm going to run away with Harry and will both defeat the Dark Side and live Happily Ever After!

That is one of the worst plot lines that can be used in the Harry Potter or in any fandom for that matter. It is just so juvinile, boring and cliched.

#453 Feb 25th, 6:48pm
Phantom Myst
I think everyone has some pet peeves, so I'm adding mine to the list:

1) Fan fics in which the author takes the character TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER!!! It's like they take the situation, stick in an entierly new story-member, and slap an original character's name on them. They then proceed to create storylines that make no logical sense and do so by re-creating a cannon character entierly. Now, I admit to having done this with my first major fic, but I have the excuse that that character really did not "talk" much in the storyline, and so I could twist is character a bit to my liking. But I suppose this may be why it bothers me so much when others do it. Inner self-loathing I expect. Haha.

2)Improper use of the english langauge. If you can't pass an english class at a community college, don't take up space where a worth-while fic could be placed.

3) OOC people that have no sensible reason to be placed in the story. These are usually teenage girls placing themselves within the story to forfil their fantasy of the devilishly handsome star falling for them.

These are just a few. I know I sound like such a royal female dog, but I hate these things!

#454 Feb 26th, 12:47am
StarLove18
Ok that makes sense. But how much canon has to be broken in order to consider a story AU? I'm writing an AU right now (well I think it's AU), but I'm still respecting the timeline/setting.

Are there any limits when writing canon compared to AUs? Also, does AU count as fanon or do they have a difference?

#455 Feb 26th, 1:12pm
A.J. Starhiker
Personally, I don't consider stories that don't really affect canon to be AU. For example, I'd accept a Stargate fic about Daniel Jackson's experience in the foster care system, what Carter drank that time on P3X-595, or a dumb stunt Jack pulled during the time-loop to be 'canon'.

Fanon is something generally accepted by fans, but has never been officially stated. There are AU fanons, but it's just as likely to be the name of a character's family member who has been seen but never named in canon.

#456 Feb 26th, 10:37pm
Darkwinter999
StarLove, if it contradicts canon in any way, it is AU. If it does not affect canon or keeps with canon, it isn't AU unless you are me and consider ALL of your stroies AU just for the nicety of simplicity and give me limitless creative options.
#457 Feb 27th, 3:56pm
Djevel
1) More than anything else, bad grammar. It kills me when people have an amazing plotline all ready to go, and then they don't know how to write professionally, or at least SEMI-professionally, for that matter. I mean, I usually let little mistakes go--I notice more grammatical mistakes than others seem to (from my experience) because I was raised by a lady who was obsessed with it--but when it comes to a point where people have missing period or don't capitalize names, or use dialogue with no punctuation or even a hint at punctuation, bad spelling, etc, etc--the list goes on. (Ex: "he lookd from 1 to the other 'what is it' he said"). Good lord, that's annoying. Please people, proofread your chapters before posting them.

2) Broken sentences, run-ons. I guess technically this could go with the whole grammar situation, but in my opinion, it more pertains to the flow of a story. If the flow of a story is choppy and unnatural, I just can't enjoy it. And frankly, it's kind of pathetic.

3) I'll repeat what someone else has said: Unrealistic pairings. Mostly, this has to do with areas where two people who have absolutely no interaction in the canon storyline suddenly develop feelings for each other overnight. (Naruto and Hinata for example...) Or, even worse than that, an impossible pairing coming to life through ridiculous circumstances (Sasuke and Sakura...).

4) When, in a romance between two girls or two guys, the author finds it absolutely necessary to insert the cheesy, overdone, cliche, and frankly, completely unrealistic line of, "Did I just think that?!" when they find themselves crushing on a person of the same sex. These kinds of stories are obviously written by straight girls/boys who have no conception of the transition from "straight" to realizing one might be gay or bisexual. Seriously. Do some flippin' research. Gay people are not scarce. Hell, ask ME, for god's sake. At least it'll make the story a little more natural. I swear, I've read about ten thousand fanfics with that kind of plot, and everytime, I roll my eyes.

5) The habit of people making completely unbelieveable OCs that are god-like (Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu), or making such OCs and then trying to play them down as NOT being god-like by giving them a menial flaw that has, either absolutely nothing to do with the story at hand, or is so ridiculous it's not even worth putting into consideration.

6) The Japanese thing. I don't mind it to an extent--it gives a feeling of "authenticity", I guess, as long as you stay within the boundaries (like using honorifics, or the occassional "onee-chan", "baa-chan", "otou-san", etc), but when it comes to full on conversations being in Japanese to the point where you have to have a note at the end of the chapter for translation, it's crossed the line and doubled back twice over. There is no need to have an introduction in full Japanese when you can just as easily say it in English and still maintain part of the Japanese "feel". (Even something as simple as placing the family name first before the given name gives off that feeling, there's no need to go rambling on like, "Boku wa Uzumaki Naruto, jyuu-ni-sai desu--" etc, etc.) [Also, excuse the Naruto references, lol. I'm not a Narutard, it just comes easily as an example.)

7) Chapters less than 1000 words long. They just bug me. And when chapters randomly break off in the middle of nowhere and the author goes, "CONTINUED IN PART 2!" when they can just as easily stick the two together like a normal person and get a longer chapter. Oh yeah. And, as they're kind of in the same category: Supposedly "epic" stories that are less than 10k words.

That's all I can think of for now...but there's probably a lot more.

#458 Feb 27th, 7:41pm . Edited Feb 27th, 7:44pm
Darkwinter999
Hey, I really don't know how to use certain types of punctuation, can you help me? I used to use commas all the time, but then I learned about dashes and semicolons (I was absent that week in first grade). Unfortunately, I don't really know how to use them yet.
#459 Feb 28th, 9:36am
in-luv-with-u
Ok...

1. I understand people who have shorter chapters, because sometimes I even do that. Although I do understand why it's frustrating to the reader

2. Bad grammar that looks like it was written by a fourth grader, or is really chiche, etc. For example, click on "Hannah Montana" fan fics, and you'll see what I mean, most of it's junk. (No offense to any HM writers)

3. What really ticks me off is when someone reviews your story and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I once got this review with a girl just describing herself, and I was like, WTH? Is this supposed to improve my writing? How are you helping me in any way, shape, or form?

4. Okay, I understand what a Mary Sue is, but could somebody explain it to me in a more thorogh way? I'd like a defenition of some kind so I understand it more. :)

#460 Feb 29th, 5:12pm
Darkwinter999
The Mary Sue litmus test link is floating around here somewhere. If noone here has it, try The Longest Forum Ever since these are the only two forums I've been too.

My peeve is the use of words, grammar or writing styles that are above the writer's understanding. If you get a vague understanding of something and decide to use it to sound smarter, everyone who is smarter will laugh at you.

Sorry, but those people really tick me off.

#461 Feb 29th, 6:08pm
otherrealmwriter
Here's a link to a Mary-Sue test I found on another forum:

http://www.onlyfiction.net/marysue.html

#462 Feb 29th, 6:32pm
StarLove18
The link you posted is a Litmus Test for Original Fiction characters, but it's worth a try.

Speaking of Mary Sues, I'm out of it! I couldn't stand them anymore! Everyday there's a new one popping in the fandom with the intent to make the characters fall head over heels in love with her, or she saves the day. Or the prettiest looking one on the planet. I mean, instead of saving some descriptions for later, they ship all their flawless features on the paragraph. Then the canons *cough cough*, forget it! You get the picture. If I go on I'm gonna drop dead.

Mary Sues get the most attention from readers! Quite unfortunate how they can get away with it.

Therefore, I'm giving my fanfics a major break! I don't care if they were on hiatus/cliffie for a while. I'd read other people's stuff nonetheless, but that's not gonna stop me from flaming someone that makes a blatant self-insert do something unbelievable. I've written a Mary Sue sometime before so I'm no better. I was just learning back then, and it got tons of reads and alerts but I deleted it.

All the character rape *scowls* I think I'm gonna be sick... *cough cough*

#463 Mar 03rd, 10:28am
Darkwinter999
If it makes you feel any better, none of mine are Mary-Sues. Those stories die off before they even make it to paper.
#464 Mar 03rd, 3:02pm
cathrl
Mary Sues get the most attention from readers!

This has got to be fandom dependent - in mine they get laughed at, with varying degrees of politeness or lack of it.

One of these days I'm going to write a self-insert. A real one. My character will spend the entire fic only thinking of witty things to say ten minutes too late, not daring to speak to the canons, and hiding under the table squeaking in terror when the action starts.

#465 Mar 05th, 1:48am
Rowena DeVandal
One of these days I'm going to write a self-insert. A real one. My character will spend the entire fic only thinking of witty things to say ten minutes too late, not daring to speak to the canons, and hiding under the table squeaking in terror when the action starts.

ROFLMAO!!!! I would totally read that cath!! Heck, maybe I'll do one too.

My character will be 70 pounds overweight with graying black hair that's badly in need of a dye job. She'll have a mouthy 19 year old daughter that interrupts her every time she's trying to have sex and she won't be able to drive. And due to her bad knees and the fact that she smokes too much, she'll walk up on the action out of breath about half an hour after it's over. ;)

#466 Mar 05th, 5:27am
A.J. Starhiker
Hey, what about someone who's in decent shape but so oblivious the action is right in front of her and she'll look up afterwards saying "What just happened?"
#467 Mar 05th, 9:21pm
Darkwinter999
If I had any courage, I might write one about a young attractive yet overweight and out of shape flirt that has good ideas and insticts, but no self-esttem so she follows the leader even if he's wrong. Not to mention that she freezes up when the bullets go flying and goes down with the first punch.

But who wants to hear about that?

#468 Mar 06th, 9:23am
BlackEyePea
a young attractive yet overweight and out of shape flirt that has good ideas and insticts, but no self-esttem so she follows the leader even if he's wrong. Not to mention that she freezes up when the bullets go flying and goes down with the first punch. Hey, she sounds like me!
#469 Mar 26th, 12:59pm
Darkwinter999
Then you know what I'm talking about. Would you read a story about your life?
#470 Mar 26th, 3:20pm
4th Triforce piece

AN: I don't usually due long posts since I haven't got my diploma yet and I had speech problems most of my life causign me to not pick up on English "normally" but am working on improving both. So any constructive help is good especially since someday I want to make some short stories on either here or fictionpress.com I am hoping to find in intro thread somewhere so I won't have to advertise my problems or about my self period. That way I won't get flamed as likely. Now on to my thoughts on the subject at hand. :)

I ABSOLUTELY HATE IT! When an Author in a self insert keeps the storyline the same unrealistically due to some supernatural force telling the OC (who usually never believed in religion or anything spiritual in the first d--- place) to not mess up the time line! :( I really don't mind it either way if an Author changes a time line or not to something, as long as the decision is realistic instead of "feelings" Cough Cough. Arial A LOTR fic cough cough. Now Back to the Future does a wonderful example of changing the past by accident and having to fix it.

Spoiler Alert Below!

BTTF 2: (Short version.) Marty buys an Almanac in the year 2015 and Doc stops him so Biff (A long term resident and bully,) steals it and gets a chance to joyride on the time machine. Which, he gives the almanac to his younger self . Marty,Doc find out by going back to their town greeted by a rude awakening. (sorry can't think of any better word so please help me) and find their town taken over by Biff which they have to fix. AN: It's a long series so it's too hard to tell in a short time.

#471 Apr 15th, 7:23pm . Edited Apr 15th, 7:24pm
Pyrefly07

I absolutely hate it when an author has to change the entire storyline just to fit their character in, but they make no effort to even keep things accurate. Everyone has to change so that the author can make their character take over, instead of changing their own character so that she fits in the fandom. It always messes up stories. Its one of my biggest pet peeves.

My second is Authors who think EVERY fandom has to be like an anime or manga when they write. They have to have japanese named characters in MIddle Earth who are elves with blue hair down to their knees, or some other trait that doesn't make sense at all. Not every thing has to be like a manga, its these same people who make it hard to rp on forums that have nothing to do with anime. I mean its okay if the fandom is Anime, but there's no reason someone in Lord of the Rings or other fandoms should have these sorts of characters.

I hate racism in fanfiction. Its subtle, but I hate when people say 'her skin was pale, much paler and more flawless than everyone else who lived around her' or assume all characters in a fandom have to be deathly pale in order to be a good character. Or they say somthing like (oh yea she's half and half, but she has her fathers coloring and hair so you can't tell...) and its worst in POTC fanfiction when they try to make those Davy Jones offspring who can't possibly have any coloring in their skin. Its always 'their skin has a light creamy tan, but its not too dark' as if having dark skin is a bad thing. It just annoys me. lol

#472 Apr 19th, 4:18pm
StarLove18

Well, for one of my stories I was told that the timeline wasn't accurate. That gave me no other choice but to change it. I didn't have to change the characters though. What's the sense? Changing the characters for who they are ruins the entire story, not the setting (depends if it's AU or not).

I've read some awesome stories lately (brand new ones), but I hate having to come across those stupid, blood-boiling "Please R&R". Like, what the hell? I wish I could tell them to quit forcing and begging people, it's EXTREMELY lame! It makes them look like whores and I wouldn't want to review their fics ever again!

#473 Apr 22nd, 1:14pm
otherrealmwriter

I used to do the Please R&R thing but I don't anymore. Funny thing is people still review at the rate they did before. Also it can get annoying seeing "No flames." I don't support flaming but still. Make a summary seem more like a summary.

#474 Apr 22nd, 1:17pm
StarLove18

Yeah, there are better ways to be presentable.

What you have mentioned about summaries, I totally agree!

#475 Apr 22nd, 3:44pm
Darkwinter999

You know, I find my characters and stories to be like sculptures. You have to be an idiot for people to not be able to tell what it is at first glance, but just showing the idea is not the whole point. I put a lot of time, effort and skill into each story and character, building and shaping every little detail, even if they only see a few sides of it, I still put in everything else just because you never see all sides of real people too.

My AU accounts for every episode and I'm working on coming up with reasoning for everything I won't be introducing into my fic, just to have sufficient cause not to have it affect anything! What do you think?

#476 Apr 26th, 12:40pm
cathrl

My second is Authors who think EVERY fandom has to be like an anime or manga when they write. They have to have japanese named characters in MIddle Earth who are elves with blue hair down to their knees, or some other trait that doesn't make sense at all. Not every thing has to be like a manga, its these same people who make it hard to rp on forums that have nothing to do with anime. I mean its okay if the fandom is Anime, but there's no reason someone in Lord of the Rings or other fandoms should have these sorts of characters.

My main fandom is anime. The most exotic hair colour is dark green, and that's only because areas of black were apparently a big problem pre-computer. My fandom has four young men with various shades of scruffy brown hair and a young woman with just-below-shoulder-length black hair. Mary Sue with knee length silver and purple stands out like a sore thumb.

I'd say it's not okay just because the fandom is anime. I'd say it's okay only if the fandom already has characters who look like that.

#477 Apr 26th, 12:59pm
Darkwinter999

Yes, there is a general concensus that it is only okay to do something if canon has set a precident for it already. Possibley also if it's logical to assume it's allowed, like a fandom that has elves, goblins and centaurs would likely support minotaurs too.

#478 Apr 26th, 3:49pm
StarLove18

http://www.getofftheinternet.org/category/fan-fiction/

Some losers are currently mocking fanfiction. If only I could give them a taste of their medicine (Warning: Some of your stories might be listed).

Since when did these idiots have the right to do this crap? I feel like going back to where I first started: Writing for Me, Myself and I.

#479 May 20th, 5:21am
3StarvingArtist

As annoying as those kinds of pple are, I ready don't think there's much that can be done about them. Besides, giving them attention is probably what they want (especially angry e-mails), so I just ignore them and continue writing.

Something else that annoys me: 1.) Overrated writers. Especially ones who violate the rules of good writing continously, and yet are beloved by all.

2.) Pple who uses their fics as soapboxes.

3.) Pple who project their own personal issues into a story/or on the characters. Save the drama for your personal blog, emo kid.

#480 May 20th, 7:39am . Edited May 21st, 12:42pm
Darkwinter999

Hey, working through your personal issues in fanfics is a good way to get it out and through it! The thing you should be upset about is them posting it here. In fact, I do the exact same thing, but I spread it out across all the characters so you can't quite notice. Plus, I do it mostly with AU CCs or OCs. The stuff that's really OOC I don't inflict on you guys, or I catch in subsequent edits (I do LOTS of editting if I plan to post) and change to be more IC.

I don't get the 'soapbox' reference and I totally agree with #1. That's really annoying. But I guess sucky writers are going to like sucky writing, huh? And you know ffn is filled with sucky writers.

Anyway, I checked out the site and only read two previews of the fics (Ponyland. Because the first had Superman in it and I didn't notice the sections yet ), but it looked like they were spotlighting really bad or young writers. Of course, this is Ponyland we are talking about, so who knows.

#481 May 20th, 8:26am
3StarvingArtist

Hey, working through your personal issues in fanfics is a good way to get it out and through it! In the case I mentioned, the writer had obviously been bullied in school/or had a really bad homelife. His solution was to take most of the canon cast and demonize them -- have them pick on his oh-so-sweet-and-gentle Mary Sue, especially one particular char (who admittedly *was* a bit of a jerk in canon, but not the freakin' Prince of Darkness like this writer made him out to be). I was bullied in school too, but I don't feel the need to make canon chars OOC d-bags because of it. It's stuff *like that* that ** me off. Your solution doesn't sound as crazy as what this guy was doing.

The soapbox thing is where writers make characters parrot their own personal beliefs and views. Like... making Superman talk about the virtues of some political party, or go on about how Scientology is so awesome.

Oo! I know the other peeve I wanted to mention. Writers who make foreign chars get rid of their accents -- not refusing to type the accent out phonetically, but actually saying something in the story like "____ no longer spoke with her/his ____ accent, wanting to eliminate it/sound better." I mean, I think that's pretty arrogant and jingoistic, and I'm American for crying outloud! Just because someone doesn't speak English *does not* make their native language silly or inferior.

#482 May 20th, 9:07am . Edited May 20th, 10:57am
Darkwinter999

You're right, that is stupid. I can't believe people actually do that! I respect other cultures, even though I don't try to find out more about them, but I refuse to speak a foreign word unless I know how to say it properly. Same with their names. Nguyen I'm still having trouble on; we aren't used to an ng at the beginning of a word.

The Mary Sue getting a beat down by the cast, unfortunately, I encountered a couple of times. I also saw a fic series (caouldn't eve stop at one atrocity) where the guy took the Bat Clan (Batman and company, who are kind of like that, but everyone was still way OOC) and made them all into dysfunctional a**holes who didn't know how to act like a family unit and pretty much sounded like every comment was expected to spark an argument. It was so stupid.

#483 May 20th, 10:00am
StarLove18

3.) Pple who project their own personal issues into a story/or on the characters. Save the drama for your personal blog, emo kid.

That reminds me of the author, who's infamous for writing "My Immortal". There's a few others too, but this one is the most catchy troll. In fact, why wasn't her story mentioned in that blog? *cough cough* She really deserved it.

Anyway, I checked out the site and only read two previews of the fics (Ponyland. Because the first had Superman in it and I didn't notice the sections yet ), but it looked like they were spotlighting really bad or young writers. Of course, this is Ponyland we are talking about, so who knows.

Too bad my stuff got spotlighted! I guess that makes me bad too. Then again, a lot of people in my fandom like my stuff, so I don't get it. It doesn't make any sense. Luckily, I don't write for Ponyland, but damn! I might have to delete my stuff or something.

#484 May 20th, 12:36pm . Edited May 20th, 4:00pm
Darkwinter999

Which fics of yours were spotlighted? I said I didn't really read much, I just looked for the first thing that seemed a familiar fandom. It was a Superman/Ponyland x-over.

#485 May 20th, 12:42pm
StarLove18

Just my Lord of the Flies slash fic (Sinful Secrets). The blog was published on April 25th by evilolive, under a friend's story. You wouldn't wanna read it though (if you're not comfortable with smut).

The commentors are mischievious.

#486 May 20th, 4:05pm
cathrl

http://www.getofftheinternet.org/category/fan-fiction/

Some losers are currently mocking fanfiction. If only I could give them a taste of their medicine (Warning: Some of your stories might be listed).

Since when did these idiots have the right to do this crap? I feel like going back to where I first started: Writing for Me, Myself and I.

Um, they had the right to "do this crap" the moment you posted your fanfiction in public.

I took a look. The funny thing is, none of the fics listed there are actively bad. I wouldn't say any of them are to my taste either, but they're not badly written.

#487 May 21st, 4:23am
StarLove18

I took a look. The funny thing is, none of the fics listed there are actively bad. I wouldn't say any of them are to my taste either, but they're not badly written.

Finally! Someone had the sense to recognize. Yeah, everyone has their own tastes (including me). Yet, I still feel guilty writing slash because I used to avoid sticking it in, and that earned me less readers and more haters. So as soon as I released my first one, everybody hits it up (including underage readers). So I dunno who's to blame, because I've deleted all my het stories and gained lots of respect since. As soon as I start writing for Degrassi and Fairly Oddparents, they're not gonna be slashed because I see no reason for doing that (unless they are in canon, like Marco/Dillin or Paige/Alex, but the focus won't be major). Besides, there's more respect in those fandoms (IMO) since I read them. Maybe because people are more mature or something, but that's my guess.

Speaking of bad stories, I know a bunch from my fandom, including the infamous Harry Potter mess up. Why weren't they listed? *shrugs* I would definitely call them fanfiction "fodder", including the crap on AdultFanfiction.

Um, they had the right to "do this crap" the moment you posted your fanfiction in public.

As bad as it is, what's done is done. There's no way we could please everyone and vice versa.

#488 May 21st, 5:08am
Darkwinter999

How do you get more respect for writing, slash than het? I'm going to go with that as my new peeve, 'cuz that's just stupid. (Sorry, but I do think that.)

#489 May 21st, 7:25am
StarLove18

It's the kind of attitudes people (masses, rather) have when it comes to certain plot ideas or characters. Think about it. Two of my LotF fanfics feature girls (OCs) in them, but they never got faved. Only because I didn't necessarily use one girl for lovey-dovey purposes (which is hard for me to do). The fandom (even this website) tends to be sexist most of the time, so that gave me no choice but to delete my college AU (which was het). I don't know whether or not I'll repost it in the future. It's hard to think about.

To be honest, I'm a person of variety. But no one seems to like that because it's all about "tradition" and cliche factors (which is my biggest peeve ever). Also, you'll have tons of flamers chasing after you just because you've used a girl (or perhaps implied the idea of one). Grrr! I can't take the harrassment, but it's all I ever got just because...

As for writing slash, I was doing an experiment (that's what it was before it became a story). Lo and behold! The world is in love with it. It got more views than all my other fics, then it progressed to reviews, PMs and faves. Does that make me happy? Maybe, but the (fandom) hated what was there before. Who's to blame? Suethors? Trolls? Nazis? I don't know how the fandom became what it is, but I know I never started it. All I ever did was come up with something I wanted to read, post it, and get flamed and cussed at because it wasn't a slash fic.

So much for "unleashing your imagination". You'll have to ask some readers that question in particular.

#490 May 21st, 9:22am
Darkwinter999

I tend to write about guys more. I am a girl, but I am a very stong-willed person, so I prefer strong characters, and like it or not, typically strong is associated with men, not women. I do have girl characters though, and non are what you'd call 'lovey-dovey' (nor would I ever do that just to please readers or flamers).

Also, are you writing guy or girl slash? (sounds like guy, but I wan'ted clarity.)

Thanks. Could you PM me some names or something?

#491 May 21st, 6:16pm
StarLove18

Guy slash, because there's a lot of that in my fandom. Two of them are posted now. The rest are general and slightly het.

Erm, I guess I could. Too much mean girls, though. I'm planning to make some more male OCs in the future (because no one will recognize the ones I already have).

Sorry if I sound weird, but one of my gen/het stuff is quite stiff right now. I'm giving it a revision and it's annoying.

#492 May 22nd, 8:44am
Darkwinter999

Sorry, I meant names of people that hate het fics. So I can ask them why.

I know what you mean by annoying. Some of my fics downright ** me off. Sometimes, I write and edit for too long and it's like I don't even know the English language anymore. It all sounds wrong and ugly. It's actually the same thing that happens to models after years of trying to cover up all the little imperfections, eventually all they see is imperfections. None of the beauty is left. My problem is just in fast forward.

#493 May 22nd, 9:10am
StarLove18

I dunno if I could find any, because most of them were anonymous. I can only figure things out by reading review boards on other people's stories.

Maybe I could cut/paste some of the stuff I got, that made me feel somewhat confused (because I never used to see the characters as gay).

Also, with the type of reviews you get, you'd be thinking "Damn...they don't get it. What am I doing wrong?"

I make tons of changes because of that. In the end, I lose complete interest of the story and move on. It really burns!

#494 May 22nd, 9:59am . Edited May 22nd, 4:14pm
Darkwinter999

Yeah, well, if you are writing for a readership of idiots, I can see how you can't figure it out. Or maybe they are just stubborn/prejudicial.

Yeah, I'd like to see some of the comments, that'd be cool. Ty.

#495 May 22nd, 3:42pm
StarLove18

Yeah, well, if you are writing for a readership of idiots, I can see how you can't figure it out. Or maybe they are just stubborn/prejudicial.

Almost like American Idol! But I find your second point fits more perfectly. I don't mind about concrit (luckily I've gotten some for a first), but everything else is making my head spin!

1) toja? thats probably your name right? even if it is you're seeing yourself as her. i think you're way to obsessed with jack.. and its kinda creepy that you write ** for yourself. and COUGHCOUGH MARRY SURE ALERT {brooke}

-Island Craze!

-x-x-x-

2) Its good so far and it would be nice if you continue, but it might be too hard to write with so many characters. {*nevermind this*}

-Love's A Game

-x-x-x-

3) Geez, what happened to all the reviews. Oh, what happens next? Plz continue. {Mageia}

Review: Its good and i would like you to continue but hurry up and write more of "sinful secrets". {*inserted unfamiliar name*}

-Sinful Secrets

-x-x-x-

4) Seriously, go kill yourself. What freak puts a FEMALE OC in a Lord of the Flies fanfiction? WHY, dear Lord, WHY? "Oh, I'm a random chick that happens to be on an island with all guys that came from, gasp, an all-boys school." Yeah, this makes a LOT of sense. And to top it off, you use the OC in MULTIPLE fics. What. The. Hell. But I must admit, your writing is actually half-decent. {MUDKIPS}

Flame: Truly, truly sh*t. Golding is probably spinning in his grave. I don't even know where to begin, it is just THAT bad. You are SO bad at writing. {j}

Reset # 1

Review: It's an interesting concept, but you do realize that you just destroyed the entire setting. The book was based in WWII and the boys were fleeing from Europe. The whole idea was to get them away from the war. So, either the girls going to France had parents who hated them, they left for France during the Great Depression, or you set this to sometime not during the war. I'm nt accusing you, but a large part of the book was based on the idea of the war, namly the beastie. Just thought I'd ask. {Karg42}

Reset # 2

Review: Em...it's good, but, why would Americans be evacuated to other countries? Not even British kids did that. Plus, there was only ever one bombing of mainland America, when a Japanese pilot Nobita Fulita tried to use fire bombs to start a forest fire. Just saying. Interesting concept though. {Jesse}

Reset # 3

Review: Hmn, the person who flamed must have taken one glance from the fic and walked away. (I'm a semi-lurker at Flame Rising's Con-crit forum.) Well, let me say this. Golding couldn't give a care whether girls or boys were on the island. He wanted to depict a sense that children are not as naive as we'd hope, and that evil lies just as terrifyingly in them as it does in adults. Look at Jack, for example, he's just a kid, but greed, ambition, these things morph him into what seems to be a monster, but he cries at the end with the other boys... He's just a kid misguided by emotions that, though he may act mature and tough, he really does not understand.

I'll read more of this later, but hopefully you did put that aspect there, that these children, girls and boys, have the evil aspects of humanity inside of them. Then Golding would not "roll in his grave." Rather, he might stroke his beard at an interesting "parody" of sorts of his work.

But from what I could see, there's too little description. It seems a lot like a script, without the colons. Perhaps you could add some? Show their emotions though facial expressions or dive into their personalities a bit more? Otherwise, it's fine, and description was always a weak point for me, so there's really not much of a problem... {Aquatic-Idealist}

Review: Very interesting read so far.

I have to big critiques so far. The biggest is that all the characters(the ones from the novel anyway) aren't true to the book. You've made everything too modern, including words like "sucks, gay etc" and the overall feeling isn't WW2, but 2008. By including the girls, it feels like the whole story is changed completely. Changing up a few things is okay, but it looks like you're going in a completely new way, and I don't really like that.

My second problem isn't so big, and it's already been said: Not enough description. By adding girls, the delicate feelings of everyone changes completely and you could add insights to everyone's emotions. The closest thing we get is just the exasperation of the girls which isn't enough.

Try reworking the previous chapters before going on, and the story will be better. {Shiek927}

*One thing I really like about these, is that when you're a little confused about something mentioned, people could share these things with you. At least they're not anonymous, I'd be totally wrecked. I've changed the story like crazy instead of pulling my hair, but that discouraged insight. Now I know there's people out there who want to see that, so I'm not that scared anymore. -From Dreams to Nightmares

Still, I should've left an author's note to avoid all the confusion. I thought a summary was supposed to speak for itself. :s I've also searched for a Beta, but I was on my own and I stayed stuck with unanswered questions.

#496 May 22nd, 7:25pm . Edited May 23rd, 7:46am
Darkwinter999

That sucks. I'd beta for you, but I hated LotF and never want to read anything associated with it again. I don't really think most of those were flames or based on any kind of prejudice. People just don't like it when you stray from canon too far. Or history. Accuracy is very important and fanficcers are not the only ones who encounter it. If a guy in a western makes a Bush joke or a girl in a knight movie is charging beside the other foot soldiers, it's not very believable and people are going to be upset. Same here. Do the research and make sure changes you make to canon actually affect how the characters act, and you shouldn't have this problem. The guy upset about the girls and the war probably just didn't get it. (If you explained how the girls got there properly.)

I am not getting the 'reset' part and the names are a bit confusing. I do agree though, taht it's good to be able to talk to people to get them to elaborate.

#497 May 23rd, 10:11am
StarLove18

Oh, sorry about that. The reset part meant when I changed the beginning.

I've also elaborated on how the girls got there. I've put them on a different plane from the boys, because I remember in the novel, both genders were seperated and put on different planes. Even the school system was much different back then.

Aw, it's ok. I guess I can handle it now since I reposted the first chapter. From what you see, I've only gotten two flames on said story. The rest were just reviews and concrit. You've got a good point though.

#498 May 23rd, 11:53am
Darkwinter999

Ty, and I appreciate you sharing. Are there any other examples you have about people upset with het couples or is it all in the LotF fandom (where it makes sense since there are no girls to begin with)?

#499 May 23rd, 12:05pm
StarLove18

Yeah, quite a few. I'll go and see.

As for the LotF fandom, it's pretty common. However, people have their preferences and choose what stories they'll read.

#500 May 24th, 8:59pm


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