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AbCarter
Topic: Chapter titles
Most people seem to use the default chapter titles (chapter 1, chapter 2, etc.). I like to give my chapters titles that give a hint about the story that is to follow below. And I'm a wee bit annoyed that you can't change the default chapter 1 name when uploading the first chapter of a new story. Anyway, I find it a bit boring going through the chapter menu of a story and all the chapters are named "Chapter #".

Any thoughts on why or why not to give your chapters names/titles?

#1 Jul 25th 2006, 1:12am
obsidian-fox
There's nothing wrong with using "Chapter #" for chapter titles; they aren't very significant to the story experience. However, I've seen some interesting series of titles -- titles that tell a poem when read in sequence, titles that are clever, etc.

Using titles as a hint is okay, though not particularly important either. It does give people a little insight as to where your story is going when chapters exist with hints to future events. I use them this way.

#2 Jul 25th 2006, 6:56am
WitchWolf
And I'm a wee bit annoyed that you can't change the default chapter 1 name when uploading the first chapter of a new story.

You can't? Hm... Not sure, really - been a while since I posted any new stuff. I do know all my first chapters had a proper title, though. *shrug*

Overall, no special thoughts on titles in general. As Fox said, they can be nice and clever and then again, having them called Chapter# also works just fine. I took to naming my chapters mainly because I really did think certain title would go so well with a certin chapter and then realized that either I name thm all or none at all. As it happens, now I have the story with half of Megadeth's discography all over it. (laugh) But that aside, I can think of another reason for titling your chapters - SOmetimes, chapters are too big. Dunno about the rest of you folks, but more often than not, I find myself writing down 10k+ words oly to realize I covered about a half of the things that should be in the chapter. But then, forcing people to read through 20k+ words all in one go is a wee bit too much (not to mention I can't really churn them out that fast anyway), so I end up breaking chapters in two parts. In that instance, titling your chapters as "Chapter Title - part one" and "Chapter Title - part two" is rather useful.

#3 Jul 25th 2006, 10:19am
Scotty McSpockirk
And I'm a wee bit annoyed that you can't change the default chapter 1 name when uploading the first chapter of a new story.

Actully, you can, it just doesn't show up till you post your second chapter.

~ILHH~

#4 Jul 25th 2006, 11:26am
AbCarter
Actully, you can, it just doesn't show up till you post your second chapter.

I'm surprised, as I can't find a chapter title field when I want to start a new story. I edit the title later, by going to edit story -- contents/chapters and clicking the edit link behind the chapter.

#5 Jul 25th 2006, 12:37pm
Chaltab
Why does it matter? Nobody sees the chapter title until there is more than one chapter anyway, and you can always put it at the top of the written page.

I usually tend to name my chapters because names are easier to remember when you're trying to remember what event happened in which chapter.

#6 Jul 25th 2006, 4:35pm
AbCarter
Why does it matter?

It matters because it's an extra thing I have to do (I don't regard filling in another field when uploading as an extra thing; that can be done in one smooth move). All the other chapters you can name when uploading them. True that the name of the first chapter doesn't show for readers until you've got a second chapter, but that wasn't my point.

#7 Jul 25th 2006, 10:46pm
Alfonts
Meh! I'm neither here nor there about it. Sometimes they can add a nice touch to the story, but numbered chapters don't really detract from it. That said, has anyone read Terry Pratchet's "Going Postal"? In it he's done the old fashioned "Intro-thing" to each chapter, for example:

Chapter One

The Angel

In which our Hero experience Hope, the Greatest Gift -

The Bacon Sandwich of Regret -Sombre Reflections on

Capital Punishment from the Hangman - Famous Last

Words -Our Hero Dies -Angels, conversations about -

Inadvisability of Misplaced Offers regarding Broomsticks

-An Unexpected Ride -A World Free of Honest Men

-A Man on the Hop -There is Always a Choice

Of course, being a comedy it is used as an advantage to the utmost, constantly setting up things for the reader to expect, only to be shattered, or offering commentaries that are quite humerous with the powers of hindsight. Anyway, I just thought it was a nice little touch worth mentioning.

#8 Jul 26th 2006, 5:06am
Winterfox
PTerry did it brilliantly.

Normally, though, I don't bother with chapter titles when it's a long project. Shorter ones, I sometimes expend that little bit of extra effort, but in the long run, it can become hard to come up with good titles. I also don't particularly like titles that hint at the events in the chapter, because most of the time it's redundant (not to mention, in the case of a professional writer -- R. A. Salvatore -- it gives away what *does* happen in the least clever and least witty way possible).

#9 Jul 27th 2006, 8:15am
obsidian-fox
Tiny hints at what happens are only a problem for a mystery story.
#10 Jul 27th 2006, 8:24am
Sassy Lil Scorpio
I like using chapter titles. I don't have a specific reason for it...it's nice to hint at things and to keep track of what happens in each chapter. It doesn't hurt if you don't use them. I think putting them in adds to the story or if you're browsing a fic, you might read the chapter titles to get a feel for the story.
#11 Jul 30th 2006, 11:59am
leaving now
so do I. I love it. I just do basic, like ah, the arival, and the sorting.

mesiers moony

#12 Jan 01st 2007, 2:46am
Niko Nightwind
My chapter titles are a word or phrase that I think summarizes the chapter. I do it largely to help my own memory because numbers don't stay in my head, but hints at what's happening is kinda fun too.
#13 Jan 05th 2007, 1:12am
leaving now
Basically that's what I do, and not the the monster when it's really about a war, or the computer, when it's about a date. I seen random titles like that.
#14 Jan 06th 2007, 3:40am
Timewave Zero
I use simple one word titles, and such words that I hope that the reader will look them up and learn them of it's meaning. Hence allowing them to learn a new word, or at least understand how that word plays into the story's context or how it itself is related to the plot by any means necessary.

Or, since I'm a great fan of metal, no not the element. I mean music. I tend to use song names as chapter titles and a lot of times the song names fit excellantly to the chapter itself.

#15 Feb 04th 2007, 7:17am
Broodstar1337
In addition to having titled chapters that hint at what happens in my stories, but in my latest in-progress fic, I've been incorporating sub-chapters (kind of like what Bungie does for the Halo games for those that have played the campaign mode) that summarize the feel of the current moment, as well as break up a chapter even further.
#16 Feb 04th 2007, 3:26pm
Maryilee
I just use chapter #'s. It's hard enough for me to think up a title for the whole fic let alone chapters. I don't really care either way while reading a story, however, I did read one story that was kind of ruined by the chapter titles. They were too descriptive and basically gave the whole plot away. I did point that out in the review but then felt bad because I also became guilty of giving away the plot of that story since I had mentioned the problem. I didnt' think of that until after I posted the review.
#17 Feb 05th 2007, 6:59am
TheSwedishMystery
Naming the chapters is one of those thing that makes the whole writing process more fun. My problem is that I can't get a title out of my head even though it's a bad one that doen't really have relevance for the plot in that particular chapter anymore. I just post the chapter with that title anyway. Once I had a chapter title with the word 'Finale' in it without being able to end my story in that chapter. The next one I named 'Finale Finale' but I couldn't finish the story in that chapter either. The next one I'm writing is called 'Finality' and I really hope that it will be the last chapter...

I tried to write a Vietnam Novel once with a friend and we used to take two cool sentences out of every chapter and put them together for the chapter title. Those titles described the chapters perfectly but still never gave away anything: 'Now a sex toy with cold metal to the temple', 'A charming listener and a broken heart' or 'Like an unknown page of history to the best of travelling partners'

#18 Feb 12th 2007, 3:38pm
Mr Firebunny
I use chapter titles, I just like having them. It adds something to my writing like a sense of place. Marylee, I think that you should try it for one story. It could be good practise for coming up with titles.
#19 Mar 02nd 2007, 10:17pm
SirGecko
I like using chapter titles that are slightly obscure or that reflect a concept. On the story I'm working on now, the chapter I'm about to post is called "The Enemy of My Enemy." I hope this will spur my readers into figuring out what significance this has on the chapter.

So yes, I religiously plan and think about my chapter titles. I think they can only add to the interest in a story.

~SirGecko~

#20 Mar 03rd 2007, 10:49am
Emily-Jade
i sometimes use chapter titles as a clue onto what's going to happen or to refer to something that's coming. sometimes chapter titles mean nothing.. but do they?
#21 Mar 03rd 2007, 10:52pm
Mr Firebunny
This is the favourite of my chapter titles "To annoy a princess"
#22 Mar 04th 2007, 11:28pm
StarLove18
normally i'd reread an entire chapter i wrote prior to giving it a title. that way, it'll help me (and the reader) keep track on what's happening. it's an idea of what it's all about.
#23 Oct 31st 2007, 11:28am
killerbbb
I name most of my chapters after events or music titles. Like ConterStrike or Nuclear Attack, both of which come from band named Sabaton. My newest story has a chapter title from one of their songs called We Burn.
#24 Nov 06th 2007, 11:06am
Iron Lunged
I name most of my chapters after some major point of which they are about or the major emotional purpose that the chapter is supposed to be getting across to the reader. It makes them easy to change up at any time.
#25 Nov 14th 2007, 10:41pm
Neuroleptic
I usualy name my chapters using a short fraze that has to do with the chapter. My favorite would have to be, Minimal Damage.

I usualy title my chapters for two reasons. First, it is easyer to remember for me and readers what happened in a particular point of the story if anyone wants to go back and re read. Second, to me anyway, it shows that the writer was willing to put that one extera touch and that small extra ammount of work on a story. It gives the impression that the author was willing to work just a little harder and probably truly cares about what they wrote.

#26 Nov 15th 2007, 2:30pm
SayuriShizuka
Hmm, it doesn't irritate me or something when I read a story.

although I like to name my chapters... but only when I feel like it.

#27 Nov 20th 2007, 12:24pm
otherrealmwriter
I put chapter titles on all of mine. I find it gives an insight into what the chapter is about
#28 Feb 15th, 8:17pm
Timewave Zero
I've recently changed my titling style. Instead of using song or band names I now use latin, or science-fiction based words.
#29 Feb 16th, 6:47am
Darkwinter999
I have a tough enough time giving my stories a name, let alone trying to name chapters. Of course, I haven't written anything yet that is long enought to even have chapters. If I do, I probably will give them names, but nothing to give away what happens- only foreshadow. Honestly, I have gotten pretty good at keeping people in suspense; a little too good. I actually have to insert more information in the edits because I am so tight-lipped. One time, I wrote a scene to introduce a vampire that just became one, but I didn't even reveal that piece of info! I had to go back, find a good spot and insert that revelation for one of the other characters.

It seems a little misleading, though, to name a chapter with something that has nothing to do with what happens. It can even ** people off if you do it in excess.

#30 Feb 16th, 7:22am
SayuriShizuka
Hmm, when I don't know what to call my stories/chapters, I name them after songs or lyrics in songs.

If you listen good to the lyrics in songs, you actually can find a line that revers to your story in some way! I use that when I can't come up with titles ^^

#31 Feb 16th, 10:08am
Darkwinter999
That is a good idea. I just meant that if you write about a young girl going to New York for the first time, you don't want to name it Kryptonite or Bleed it Out.
#32 Feb 16th, 11:32am
SayuriShizuka
ahaha! well, you don't actually have to name it that xD I bet there a lot more other songs with not such depressing titles... :P
#33 Feb 16th, 11:39am . Edited Feb 16th, 11:39am
Darkwinter999
Lol, I like those songs because they are tragic, not because they are depressing. I actually get happy listening to them. I also like Kryptonite because it reminds me of Superman and I am nuts about him.

"If I go crazy, then will you still call me Superman? If I'm alive and well, will you be there holding my had? I'll keep you by my side with my superhuman might, Kryptonite!"

Basically, he loves her and would give her the world, but she's poison to him.

#34 Feb 16th, 12:51pm
SayuriShizuka
Actually, I really like those songs too. I listen a lot to Linkin Park and Three Doors Down. They are like my fav. bands ^^ I also like Green Day and Thousand Foot Krutch.
#35 Feb 16th, 4:01pm
Darkwinter999
Don't know the last one, but I love those bands. They have some great music, I even own some CDs (a rare thing).
#36 Feb 16th, 4:16pm
SayuriShizuka
Hmm, I got one album of Linkin Park... but I downloaded most of the songs ^^;

Here, I'll send a vid from Thousand Foot Krutch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLqT9nXlDjE

#37 Feb 17th, 3:15am
Timewave Zero
if you write dark fiction or mature/senien type fiction. Then listen old school Melodic Death Metal bands.

I.e; Arch Enemy, Carcass, Scar Symmetry (these guys especially), Insomnium, Deadlock, Dethklok (haha), etc.

Read the lyrics as well. Vocabulary used in some of these bands for lyrics is incredibly complex and also interest peaking.

#38 Feb 17th, 6:57am
Darkwinter999
Senien? If by 'mature' you mean tortured, then yes and I got the Dethklok joke, they were pretty funny. I don't like their music though. I like Three Doors Down better than Linkin Park, which is just at the outside of tolorable for me. Getting into heavy metal, I just tune it out as and unpleasant noise.
#39 Feb 17th, 7:06am
Sorryll
Lyrics are great for chapter titles, and I do use them too much...only since its always music that inrpires me, never heavy, heavy metal though. I like heavy music dont get me wrong bu the lyrics are...lacking for me. Use some good ol' HIM or AFI. Gloomy, poetic, romantic,,,heaven.

I always write my own chapter titles though, they're important.

#40 Feb 17th, 1:22pm
otherrealmwriter
I know this doesn't have to do with chapters persay but some of my fics, the idea comes entirely from a song, and they say so in the summary, and in those cases I like to use the title of the song as the title of the fic.
#41 Feb 17th, 6:59pm
3StarvingArtist
Like Maryilee said earlier, it's tough enough to come up with a story title (in fact, I've begun keeping a booklet filled with potential titles I've jotted down), so I tend not to name my chapters. I might in the future for certain fics, but we'll see. If you're creative enough to come up with chapter titles, then more power to ya.
#42 Feb 21st, 9:54pm
Sorryll
It is hard, yeah to come up with decent titls. I find chapter titles to be easier than whole story ttles though; naming chunks is better than trying to summarise the whole thing into a few words
#43 Feb 22nd, 11:04am
Darkwinter999
Yeah, I started a fic that got it's title about two years later, and only because I decided to have a table of contents to help me find stuff. It's about Superman's son discovering his powers; I call it "Talic: The Second Son". I'm starting to think that doesn't make sense.
#44 Feb 22nd, 11:25am
Sorryll
I think it sounds like it makes sense. Sometimes, fics are just SO hard to name. I've only ever been really proud of two; I have 'Outside The Screens' which is absically a weird study into the egos of a cameraman and an actor who end up alling for each other. I LOVES it. That and Carnaval Charbon which is my only full length completed original story.
#45 Feb 22nd, 11:32am
Darkwinter999
Cool, thanks, I am really only proud of one (Superman again). It's a poem based off the TV series Smallville, written in 2003, I call it Fall and Rise, but the title is written backwards (I practiced that for days) and it's about all he goes through, but he can't even fly yet. I think it's great, short but great.
#46 Feb 22nd, 12:18pm
3StarvingArtist

If I can offer some advice to those who have trouble coming up with titles (which I was initially hesistant to for fear of being accused of stealing): I get a number of awesome titles from T.V. show episodes, quotes, phrases, plays on words, and stuff that just sounds really good. If I use a title from an episode of a T.V. show, then I usually use it for story that isn't anything at all like the episode it was taken from (so I can't be accused of plaigarism).

For example, I have an upcoming story called "Leader Of The Whack", which is the name of a Power Rangers: Dino Thunder episode, but the story I'm writing is completely different from the PR episode. Another title, "New World Disorder", is a play on the saying "new world order", and I saw the phrase "the dominoes of fate and ambition" in a book and liked it enough to use it as a title.

#47 May 15th, 9:23pm . Edited Jun 07th, 1:59pm
Darkwinter999

Play on words titles are completely original and no one would accuse you of stealing or being unimaginative. Taking an existing title and giving it to something completely unrelated can be sort of unoriginal, but definitely imaginative. I named one of my fics Joke's on Batman, but there is no joke, it's mostly talking about the Jokerz being in it, but I augmented a well know saying. I named a character Quicksilver, which some of you may know is a superspeedy mutant from the X-Men, but my Quicksilver can turn into this weird liquid metal stuff and has a weakness to electricity. Those are all perfectly legal. Copycat is too much like Marvel's Copycat to look like anything more than a well-made rip-off.

#48 May 18th, 6:08pm
3StarvingArtist

Thanks. :) Actually, I was more concerned about being accused of theivery by using existing tites. I think "Joke's on Batman" works for nearly any Batman fic featuring the Jokerz.

#49 May 18th, 9:04pm
Darkwinter999

Lol, true, but my character is trying to be the 'new Joker' to the old Batman. He doesn't really know how though, so he does a bad job of it. But he does cause a lot of damage along the way.

#50 May 19th, 1:20pm

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