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Topic for discussing flames you've received. Only for those with flames.

There's a topic for chatting about flames.

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http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/28610/2754569/1/ [for the administration to act]

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http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/28610/2805952/1/ [anti-flamer petition]

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/28610/2806155/1/ [[petition to ban FR]

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/28610/2806054/1/ [petition to get the fireplace stopped]

http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/28610/3420228/1/[To stop uncovering private information(flags)]

#1 Nov 12th 2007, 5:39pm . Edited Nov 25th 2007, 11:16am

Kamejen

Let's just say that I've been doing a bit of disgruntling lately in the review department of the Mario fandom. It's not really been flames, mind - just some very harsh, stark criticism about the lack of legibility and general illiteracy in some of these "authors'" works. Anyway, one of these authors wrote a half of a page of text, called it a fic, and got positively livid when I took it apart and told her exactly what I thought was wrong with it. Anyway, after a couple of exchanges through PM (nasty, vitriolic, unintelligible tripe from her, and calm, eloquent, condescending remarks from me), she finally got around to reviewing my "Mario Teaches Fanfiction," story (which is ironically a lampoon on badly written fanfiction anyway). :) This is her review, verbatim:

YOU COULD MAKE 100 CHAPTERS OUT OF THIS ONE!

IT'S SO LAMME!

This person (who I shall not name, since her fragile little ego is apparently in tatters from my review and needs no more attention which does her no good anyway) is referring to a particular comment I made in my review of the story of one of her ficcie "friends" about her lack of detail. Yes, she's referring to a review I made to a DIFFERENT author. o_o Anyway, I had explained to this person that several of the point of view changes she made were unnecessary in one chapter; she would have been much better off expounding on the detail and splitting each section up into its own chapter. Notice how my gallant flamer bastardized my words and thinks she's oh-so-clever. :p

I sent her a reply, tended lovingly with diatribes and cracks taken from my special reserve of bitchiness:

Thank you for providing me with your barely legible, yet highly laughable review. I want you to know that we at Shuko-Works appreciate your concerns, and we will be having many good chuckles, guffaws, and chortles at your expense later on at the water cooler. Please know that your verbal faux pas do not go to waste here at Shuko-Works! They are a valued and integral part of the fanfiction ecosystem, and they make up the majority of the fanfic manure that is used to nourish and grow young seedling fics. Again, thank you for your contribution.

Having said that, I'll put on my serious cap once again *places cap on head.*

First of all, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you're referring to the comment I gave you on your inexpressive, under-detailed fic, am I correct? The fact that you make no reference to any passage in particular only tells me that you did not read my fic, which is understandable, considering the fact that I find your reading capabilities as suspect as your writing ones. Do not worry. I have not been offended by your ignorance.

Also, if you feel that I have wronged you in my assessment of your review, you are more than welcome to reply to me via PM, whereupon I shall belittle you further, or you begin to form coherent sentences and arguments - whichever happens first.

And seriously, thank you for the laugh. I really needed it today. :3

Original Message:

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YOU COULD MAKE 100 CHAPTERS OUT OF THIS ONE!

IT'S SO LAMME!

By the way, I always include their original message in the reply. I've had so many people swear they never said something when they did. -_- It just saves an extra loop of conversation this way.

Anyway, I keep thinking this is a momentous occasion. I now have my first "retributionary" flame. :3 Does this mean I'm special?

#2 Nov 12th 2007, 8:09pm

Although it is your decision to 'retribution flame', I've never advocated fighting fire with fire.

and general illiteracy in some of these "authors'"

And because of that little doozy of a line there, it is technically classed as a flame because it attacks the author personally. You've been to my forum, you've seen the 'definition of flame' thread, so why do you insist on giving 'harsh concrit'?

#3 Nov 12th 2007, 10:06pm

Diego Varen

I did have several flames a while ago, by the Dark Radiance, but those stories were deleted and I blocked that member.

#4 Nov 12th 2007, 10:37pm . Edited Nov 14th 2007, 9:07am

Kamejen

Although it is your decision to 'retribution flame', I've never advocated fighting fire with fire.

and general illiteracy in some of these "authors'"

And because of that little doozy of a line there, it is technically classed as a flame because it attacks the author personally. You've been to my forum, you've seen the 'definition of flame' thread, so why do you insist on giving 'harsh concrit'?

Just so you know, that little crack never appeared in any of my reviews. 9_9 I was just voicing my opinion (here in the forum, not in a review) about how people who think that drabbling on in a bit of fluff with no plot, no purpose, and no respect for the ToS of the site makes them full-fledged authors.

Anyway, the "retribution flame" is what SHE gave ME. I never flamed her in the first place. I gave her harsh con-crit. There's a difference. And I'm well within my right to con-crit people, just as she's within her right to flame me about it, in whatever way she chooses.

I NEVER insult the authors in my reviews. I point out inadequacies in their works as part of the review process. If that's an insult to them, then they need to develop a thicker skin. Writing isn't all about gumdrops and rainbows, and I'm not going to shield them from the truth just to save their feelings. I'll point out what I like about their story too, but I'll also be sure to point out what I find lacking.

We shouldn't be having this conversation here. :/ I thought this thread was just for posting our flames we'd received.

Edit:

Lol. The person who sent me that review is now getting her cronies to pitch in:

This is crap, colette11 was being too nice. What're you retarded or

something?

I think you just been dazzled

This particular bit of insight is brought to me courtesy of a user named Twanny Bizzle - another one I've concritted heavily. I wouldn't mind so much his calling my story crap if he actually provided examples to back himself up. As it is, he's only telling me that he's still peeved that I dared to criticize his story, so he's going to drop this in my review pile and expect me to believe that he even read my story. xD

My stories aren't literary gold; they aren't crap either. I have enough confidence in my own abilities to say that without hesitation. His review doesn't bother me. I just wish he'd taken the time to be more creative about it. Alas, he seems to take as much of an interest in the details of his flames as he does in that of his fiction. :/

#5 Nov 13th 2007, 4:57am . Edited Nov 13th 2007, 11:19am

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mary_Sue

#6 Nov 13th 2007, 8:52pm

O.O it's that site. sry, trying not to take this off topic. :P

#7 Nov 13th 2007, 8:54pm

Read it. This is the reason why so many flamers exist.

#8 Nov 13th 2007, 9:16pm

I read it. And I've got to say, no wonder. Sorry to say, but in middle school I had Mary Sues. Lucky me they evolved from that.

#9 Nov 13th 2007, 9:18pm

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Suethors

Read the article and watch the vid. Yet more evidence as to the dire need to knock some sense into n00bs of the fandom.

#10 Nov 13th 2007, 9:20pm

Mhm, I'll get to it. Eventually. ^_~

#11 Nov 13th 2007, 9:22pm

Yeah but flames are no better & concrit already does that. Bashing on your forum can work(probably w/o sporking since it might be against ToS) but flaming...I don't know.

#12 Nov 13th 2007, 9:22pm

Kamejen

Lol at the comic in that entry. xD The Harry Potter sueisms are so classic...

#13 Nov 13th 2007, 9:25pm

Since when have the ToS ever been enforced? All of the Sins' and Spleef's stories were stolen by both Kaiser and the Novella Sins. Where's the justice in that? The truth of the matter is that the admins have abandoned us. They no longer care and we must now fend for ourselves. It's an anarchy. The rules are meaningless.

#14 Nov 13th 2007, 9:26pm

It is occasionally tho, the administration is either swamped or slow, but if they did act quicker Kaiser, FR, and ectera wouldn't even be on anymore.

#15 Nov 13th 2007, 9:28pm

Do we really need this chaos? Does it really have to be enforced. Besides, this is better used than Fictionpress which has been totally abandoned in every right. FF is lucky to even have these updated compared to FP. Do we really need to create chaos in order to make a sense out of this "WEBSITE" for better writers?

#16 Nov 13th 2007, 9:30pm

We shouldn't, but we are some of the few who still care.

#17 Nov 13th 2007, 9:34pm

It probably helps to oppose trolls in some way, so they don't walk over ppl(harassing)

#18 Nov 13th 2007, 9:36pm

Don't get hypocritical on me just yet. Have you read the latest post on my chat thread?

#19 Nov 13th 2007, 9:39pm

-_-'

#20 Nov 13th 2007, 9:42pm

I have

#21 Nov 13th 2007, 9:47pm

Omnipotent Superbia

A troll is a troll is a troll. They all need to die.

#22 Nov 13th 2007, 9:51pm

It's like the Longest Forum Ever has melded with the Seven Sins of Dante.

Weird dont cha think?

-_-'

And trolls do need to be erradicated, but there's the fact of defining them and wiping them out SILENTLY as to not make yourself look bad.

#23 Nov 13th 2007, 9:53pm

*whistles* I have no idea why...

Well I'd be glad if they join our new roleplay or just post.

With the administration on permanant holiday that task is a little hard.

#24 Nov 13th 2007, 9:55pm

*sigh*

2nd Edit:

I'm out. Tired. I hate Life. I'm about to rip someone's story apart. So I'm leaving for today.

#25 Nov 13th 2007, 9:56pm . Edited Nov 13th 2007, 10:10pm

Would say something about it, but seems like since you're in such a mood I'll just say 'bye'

#26 Nov 13th 2007, 10:00pm . Edited Nov 13th 2007, 10:00pm

I hate life too & I'm positive it hates me.

#27 Nov 13th 2007, 10:02pm

Funny I can't think of stories when I'm on forums(ironic since I role play).

#28 Nov 13th 2007, 10:18pm

Umm....

After reading the Mary Sue article, I think I may have accidentally unleashed a Sue into the world *cringes in horror*.

have you read that one I wrote where Sakura goes on a 2 person killing spree? I think I turned poor Sakura into an angry sue....

#29 Nov 14th 2007, 12:34am

I might've missed that 1, is that where she whoops Sasuke and Naruto(?) nonstop?

If she has flaws then she might not be, IDK, Angry-Sue, lol.

Maybe take a Mary-Sue test...

#30 Nov 14th 2007, 10:02am

I've got it! Maybe she's just a Scary-Sue! Like a Harry-Sue(courtesy of McFly)

#31 Nov 14th 2007, 11:09am

That's the one where she beats Kiba and Naruto to death with their own guitars.

And I just thought of something, only OC's can be Sues! She is saved! Come to think of it...I only made her OOC. *Jumps for Joy and dismantles sniper rifle which is positioned on a rooftop waiting for Sakura to leave the house* Now I don't have to put her out of her misery.

However, now that I've had a moment, I suddenly realise that the article is not necessarily right. I don't like the way he called one of the most famous writers of all time, a Sue. Plus, a Sue is a Sue; who honestly calls a male Sue a Marty Sue? Everyone just calls them Mary Sues, despite their gender. Though i must agree with them on self-insertation, it isn't always bad. What's more, the definition of Sue changes from person to person. One person's Sue could be another person's believable OC.

#32 Nov 15th 2007, 1:04am

Oh that's it, lol, but that's good! Only OCs are Sues. That's true, lol. Actually while some people use Gary Stu(MartyMcFly only wrote a fanfiction with Ron calling Harry, Harry-Sue when he changes his appearance into that of a girl named Mary Sue with polyjuice potion.) What is a Sue to some people is new to others, hehe. In some cases, though poor character, Sues aren't bad to write since it is still character writing, they are just bad to read.

#33 Nov 15th 2007, 1:10am

Glacial Fang

HI!

#34 Nov 15th 2007, 4:57am

Hi!

#35 Nov 15th 2007, 1:49pm

*Gives in to peer-pressure*

#36 Nov 15th 2007, 11:22pm

*This kind was bound to get to you*

Hi!

#37 Nov 16th 2007, 3:59pm

Oh and Frozen Chaos, just to set the record straight, do I sound like a censored Foamy-wannabe('Welcome' thread)? That's not the intention. I just admire his political views. If I am sounding that way, however, tell me so I can fix it.

#38 Nov 16th 2007, 5:41pm

Thoughtless7

Anyone been flamed recently? :)

#39 Nov 16th 2007, 6:10pm

I HAVE! Look at this dipshit:

Jinxed-To-The-Core,

The following review has been submitted to: Twisted Forces Chapter: 1

From: The Origional Flamer ( http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1373477/ )

Reply URL: http://www.fanfiction.net/secure/review_pm.php?reviewid=59450650

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Wow, do you realy think this piece of crap story is any good? Bitch, please.

I'm just waiting for you to go all out on a mary sue character creation so you

can recieve more flames...

Oh, and yes this is a flame.

Have a nice day

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#40 Nov 17th 2007, 12:23pm

The idiot was being hypocritical or fake by saying 'have a nice day'!

His manners are shown in his review, which was nothing but BS about insulting you. Just some wido(in my language) trying to put you down unsuccessfully.

#41 Nov 17th 2007, 12:26pm

Silver-hair Angel

That was a pretty sucky flame.

And I mean really sucky.

An angry monkey could write better.

EDIT: No problem, Jinxed. Just wanted to let everyone know.

#42 Nov 17th 2007, 12:27pm . Edited Nov 17th 2007, 12:27pm

All he did was make my day, I mean, it's a compliment to have the time taken out of ones life to "read" and "review."

Note: Note the words dripping in sarcasm.

#43 Nov 17th 2007, 12:28pm

Harbinger of Retribution

Fake account.

#44 Nov 17th 2007, 3:07pm . Edited by Artemis Mitera, Nov 17th 2007, 3:22pm

What was... MOTHER OF FUCK YOU FAKE ASS BASTARD!!!!!!

#45 Nov 17th 2007, 3:11pm

Harbinger of Retribution

The damage is all ready done.

~Wrath

#46 Nov 17th 2007, 3:25pm

Praetorian of Discord

Faker.

They will ignore you fucktard

#47 Nov 17th 2007, 3:41pm . Edited by Artemis Mitera, Nov 17th 2007, 3:44pm

Praetorian of Discord

They don't appear to be. I just received a response.

I only told them the truth.

--Edit by Jynx:

Oh yeah, this is a fake account.

#48 Nov 17th 2007, 3:46pm . Edited by Artemis Mitera, Nov 18th 2007, 9:22pm

Who will ignore these fakes?

Omnisceint Envy name and same icon will fool no1!!!!! No1 at all! Every1 knows there are fake latin-Pseudos aka these Omnisceints!

#49 Nov 17th 2007, 4:06pm