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Irindiglo2SkyParodise

LoL

#101 Apr 30th, 4:51pm
otherrealmwriter

Recently I began to realize how much my mom means to me. I cried writing up the mother's day card I made today.

#102 Apr 30th, 6:11pm
Darkwinter999

Wow, that's cool. I got pretty close a few years too. (I cry as little as your typical macho guy, btw.)

#103 May 01st, 12:21pm
liveurlifexx33

everyone...i have amazing news...

well, it kinda sucked at first............

but when my friends saw my scars...they got worried (of course...) and they told guidance, blah blah blah

guidance counselor says "a few people came to me today. can i see your hands and arms?"

and of course she found out. worst part: my mom gets involved.

so my guidance counselor (for now on, im calling her...amy...i guess...dont ask why), amy, calls my mom up, explains whats going on, and then says "do you want to talk to her, she's right here...okay, hold on"

so, i'm in the office for 40 minutes thinking of excuses for why i did it (im not telling my whole life story in front of my guidance counselor!) and then i have to have a conversation with her when i get home.

rest of my day: im freaking out, im pissed at two of my closest friends, and when i wanted to talk to them they ignored me and got ticked at me, the tear drops come pouring down, i am failing english (not really, but with all thats been happening i havent gotten any work done on my research paper) and my friends dont trust me anymore. oh JOY.

so what happens? i call my cousin for advice...and she tells me to forget EVERYTHING. Forget that i'm talking to my mom later, relax, start making dinner for myself, and just watch some TV and go on the laptop. anything to get my mind off for whats happening.

and then...tell u later

#104 May 02nd, 4:34pm
Darkwinter999

Wow, that sux. But I'm sure they only told becuase they are worried about you. Do they know you are getting help for this?

Really, this is a very serious thing. I know you don't want people to make a big deal about it, but his is a big deal. Try to ride it out, and remember that if they weren't fussing like this, it would be because nobody cared.

#105 May 03rd, 5:14am
liveurlifexx33

Anyways, HERE IS THE GOOD NEWS!

So...me and my mom talked about "stuff" for a little while, and then...well...she actually started acting NICE towards me. But with every good thing comes a bad one

Of course, there's a catch. if she EVER sees me do it again...or sees ANY marks on my hands what so ever, i have to go to some doctor or institution. i mean, im not planning on doing it anymore...but still, im getting freaked out over that...

so, yeah, things are OKAY

i wouldnt say that its all good, and nothing happened after this...but...well...i am having a LOT of issues with her at the moment. and my friends are acting weird aroud me...well, some of them.

and i get wat you're saying DARKWINTER, but still, getting guidance involved SUCKS. i mean, i would rather sort this out with my friends, not get the school involved. trust me, you would be pretty freaked out and worried if your mom thought you were a physcopath. not to mention your guidance counselor doesnt stop checking on you every freaking day. it gets kind of annoying.

well, whatever. things are working out a little bit, but i still feel stressed out and ticked. but, i guess that's my problem.

anyways, school is almost out for me...anybody else? i mean, aside from everything that happened, school is ending (and I'm proud to say I am going to fail English! WHOO-HOO!)

#106 May 05th, 12:40pm
Lady Saru

Oh dear...*hugs* That ultimately is horrible, and I wish it wasn't happening to you.

My mom has threatened to put me in a hospital a bunch of times because of behavoir and the way I was biting my nails. And the only way she'd ever find out that that mark wasn't an accident would be if I told her, which I'm not planning to do anytime soon.

I discovered that I like getting marker or paint or something like that on my fingers so I don't want to bite them.

I get acupuncture once or twice a month. And I have to take these herbs for anxiety. They taste horrible but they make breathing easier.

#107 May 05th, 3:00pm
Cascadence

Stress problems, hm?......

Strangely enough I don't experience stress too severely....it may be because of the whole "flow like water and fit circumstances" idealogy I used to support out of my own imagination (translate the phrase into Chinese and it sounds way better, believe me), so now I hardly feel stress at all - as a result during exam seasons and stuff like that people give me odd looks.......

The only times when I feel the stress is when I'm very tired, or lack sleep badly - then I go into a hyper, extreme-version of my more OCD-ish self and start analysing everything in sight.....which makes things worse...but anyway.

#108 May 07th, 6:06am
Darkwinter999

Sounds like the 'go with the flow' attitude you have might be a mask then. Just because you don't acknowlege it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

I do it too, though. I try to keep in mind just how meaningless it all is, and if it doens't matter, there is no real stress. Still...I think I'm in denial.

I'm glad things are going better (even if it isn't perfect :/) for you, Live, and I hope the trend continues. Why are you failing though? And why are you happy about it? O.o

#109 May 07th, 12:33pm
Saber Apricot

Ah, don't fail English, liveurlifexx33! Even if you don't have time to write a good research paper, at least turn in one. Try talking to your teacher and explaining to her your situation. There's no reason why kids should fail English (unless English isn't their first language).

#110 May 07th, 1:04pm
Cascadence

I do believe I am in some form of denial, as of late :D

And indeedy do - there is no reason why kids should fail English, more so on because they couldn't do so...I mean, it's the language you speak, live, read and write with...but then again Imma not one of you in these terms, so....yeah.

#111 May 08th, 3:12am
I'M FIRED

wow I thought my dad was bad but after reading this WOW

#112 May 08th, 3:06pm
Saber Apricot

And indeedy do - there is no reason why kids should fail English, more so on because they couldn't do so...I mean, it's the language you speak, live, read and write with...but then again Imma not one of you in these terms, so....yeah.

Not only that, but in some public high schools, some (very few granted, but...) kids can't even read. Most public schools have their average classes behind a couple grades in reading comprehension. It's usually extremely difficult to fail a public school English class.

#113 May 08th, 3:17pm
I'M FIRED

It's usually extremely difficult to fail a public school English class.

yah I don't go to public school but my freinds say its the easiest subject there is.

#114 May 08th, 3:21pm
Irindiglo2SkyParodise

Not only that, but in some public high schools, some (very few granted, but...) kids can't even read. Most public schools have their average classes behind a couple grades in reading comprehension. It's usually extremely difficult to fail a public school English class.

Reading comprehension was not that easy in my school. Since they base the curriculum off of the standardize testing format. Though yeah some schools like in Cali and Texas have disavantages of that. Though Bush's 'No child left behind' must have some good effects.

#115 May 08th, 3:26pm
Saber Apricot

Reading comprehension was not that easy in my school. Since they base the curriculum off of the standardize testing format.

It's already been established (a couple times) that reading and writing is a weak point for you. I'm not saying your dumb, but you're not a reliable judge for something like that.

All public schools work that way. It's still insanely easy. No Child Left Behind calls for standardized testing. And those state-regulated standardized tests are insanely easy. It actually has the disadvantage of encouraging teachers to teach kids for the sake of passing the state test. And puts limits on what textbooks a school can use. While a kid may struggle in a advanced history or chemistry class, the whole class can easily core a B or higher on the end of course state exit exam for the class. Although, it does help put stress on kids getting the basics.

#116 May 08th, 3:45pm
Darkwinter999

I failed all my English classes until Sophmore year of high school.

#117 May 08th, 6:11pm
Cascadence

Hm....

What do you learn in English classes anyway? Writing, literature......grammar?.....I am not very clear on this so.......

#118 May 09th, 3:22am
Darkwinter999

Why, you've never taken one? You learn about your language in all it's forms and uses, that's all.

#119 May 09th, 9:37am
Saber Apricot

What do you learn in English classes anyway? Writing, literature......grammar?.....I am not very clear on this so.......

I went to private elementary and middle school, so I don't know how it is in public schools. At my school, it was reading, writing, grammar, and vocabulary all the way through. We learned how to diagram sentences, learned grammar rules, blah blah blah. In 4th grade, maybe books like Black Beauty were read and 7th/8th grade, literature such as Shakespearean plays, Great Expectations, and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest were used.

In high school, it's usually just a literature class. You have to read some books, maybe take some tests on the books (to make sure you read and understood them), maybe some book homework (like answering reading questions, write what you thought about the book, etc), maybe do a paper on the book, and that's about it. Sometimes students have to write essay papers. Sometimes there are vocabulary quizzes once and a while.

For the State I am in, there is a state issued essay test that second year public high school students need to take. Students are given a prompt and they have to scribble something out. There's also a senior exiting research paper that needs to be done. I did mine on comics, believe it or not.

#120 May 10th, 12:34am . Edited May 10th, 12:35am
Cascadence

Oh. I see.....

Yup, we get the same fare as you all do....well, maybe except the research papers part....

#121 May 10th, 3:42am
Darkwinter999

Yeah, Saber, public school is exacly the same, only slower. Shakespear didn't really start until high school for me, and I went to a really good public school.

#122 May 10th, 9:21am
Saber Apricot

Yeah, I went to public high school, so I had to reread some of the Shakespear (Hamlet, Macbeth, The Tempest, etc) for class as well as Great Expectations (I don't like that book, screw Pip). You also read, Red Badge of Curage, Scarlet Letter, Bean Trees, Siddhartha, Night, The Canterbury Tales, Beowulf, Dante's Inferno, and Cyrano de Bergerac in high school right?

#123 May 12th, 6:54am
Irindiglo2SkyParodise

It's already been established (a couple times) that reading and writing is a weak point for you. I'm not saying your dumb, but you're not a reliable judge for something like that.

No it hasn't. Nor is it anything but BS! I'm good at Reading Comprehension! So quit it! What your saying is BS you don't know if I am or am not. What do you know of what I can judge or what my skills are. What important, smart person do you consider yourself as, for thinking that you can only asses my writing skills better than me?

You just consider me as dumb, that's why you're saying it. Don't try to deny it, it's obvious. You're just acting like Rachelle right now.

Both you & Darkwinter basically think I have no writing skills cauuse my syntax has jumbled up in the past. Your assessment is baseless! Both of you! You don't know what I am and am not capable of so it's time you both STFU about your judgments as if they're facts. I'm beyond angry, I've ahd enough of this BS! & I don't care if anyone else believes you but your opinions/judgments≠facts/truth.

I have some problems in clear syntax so you consider it all because I have problems. Well guess what, you aren't my personal English teacher, you don't know me! So just leave me alone! When you have solid proof that reading comprehension isn't my strongpoint or othewise when you know me, then continue to bother me with your BS! Otherwise stop being hypocritical because Reading Comprehension doesn't always appear to be your strong point either!

#124 May 13th, 3:40pm . Edited May 13th, 3:51pm
Irindiglo2SkyParodise

you know what? "The more you expect of people, the more they can do."

Well if you'rejust going to consider me, incapable of everything, than you won't ever see me do anything good.(like now) Maybe that's why the both of you consider me so 'below average' at everything.

edit: It was probably a little hypocritical of me to judge you both so harshly(especially you Darkwinter, who hasn't really done anything) because you proably meant well but I still don't agree with your judgments.

#125 May 13th, 3:55pm . Edited May 13th, 8:54pm
Doom Donut

0.o wow i just realised how long i've been away....my way is to not get stressed in the first place. Just keep cool. Calm down and let loose. Yeah i know im a bit too carefree.

My friend releases stress by hitting on a wall, really hard. I saw him do it once, and it left black marks on the wall where his knuckles hit the wall. (This method might hurt a bit lawl)

#126 May 14th, 4:54am . Edited May 14th, 5:17am
Irindiglo2SkyParodise

LoL I'm fine. I just have to stop taking her seirously & I'm fine. Yeah I'm in the process of cooling down though. *breaks something*

Hey Donut come to my forum! If you really think you've been away see what your brother & I(& a few others) have been up to!

#127 May 14th, 6:12am
Doom Donut

Sure thing.

#128 May 15th, 2:25am
Darkwinter999

You also read, Red Badge of Curage, Scarlet Letter, Bean Trees, Siddhartha, Night, The Canterbury Tales, Beowulf, Dante's Inferno, and Cyrano de Bergerac in high school right?

XD

Sure, if you are in the mainstream classes! They sent me to the remedial classes in history and english because I protested homework. (That is so stupid that the hw, which only shows your work ethic, counts for so much of your grade, but tests, which find out how much you actually know, don't.) Bean trees and the Scarlett Letter were required reading, but half the others I haven't even heard of.

#129 May 15th, 7:38am
Saber Apricot

Public high school was kind of a joke for me. Advanced chemistry was tough, but only because the teacher was hardcore and actually taught college level science as well. No one got below a 95 percent on the state end of course cumulative exam though. Overall, it was easy. Homework was just busy work, but I usually did it. Although, I can't remember ever really studying in high school. I went from hours of school work each night in parochial school to easy-peasy stuff that I could do while watching TV and trolling the internet.

But, you weren't missing much. Some people say Night was a good book, but I rated it as so-so. Dante's Inferno is pretty neat (about one man's journey through the rings of hell), but it's not particularly eye-opening. The University of Texas has a neat site on the three books (Inferno, Purgatory, and Heaven). http://danteworlds.laits.utexas.edu/index2.html is the page that'll take you three each of the nine rings of hell.

Red Badge of Courage really sucked, as did The Scarlett Letter, Siddhartha (which is fictional and not really about Buddhism), and I'm not a Shakespeare fan (it's overrated).

#130 May 15th, 8:59am
Darkwinter999

Personally, I felt that if it wasn't just plain boring, it was some pompous blowhard trying to confuse people with really advanced grammar and uncommon words. If you need a dictionary to get through the first chapter, it won't hold my attention long.

#131 May 15th, 9:21am
Saber Apricot

You just consider me as dumb, that's why you're saying it. Don't try to deny it, it's obvious.

I'm saying it, because it's true. Writing skills do not determine overall intelligence and competency. Some very smart people are horrible at writing.

Both you & Darkwinter basically think I have no writing skills cauuse my syntax has jumbled up in the past. Your assessment is baseless!

If it's baseless, then I would have had nothing to base it on. However, you admitted that you have had troubles in the past and claim that we're using that as reference. So you're admitting that I'm basing it on something, meaning it's not baseless.

Well guess what, you aren't my personal English teacher, you don't know me!

Knowing you has nothing to do with this.

No it hasn't. Nor is it anything but BS! I'm good at Reading Comprehension!

You've both admitted that you've had a problem in the past, but don't anymore, and that you do have a bit of a problem with coherency. This, along with incoherent sentences that you continue to write contradicts "No it hasn't. Nor is it anything but BS!"

When you have solid proof that reading comprehension isn't my strongpoint or othewise when you know me, then continue to bother me with your BS!

From another thread you wrote: & just b/c I didn't read her tl;dr opinion of why she's right and isn't insulting, it doesn't mean I'm just overlooking a problem. I think what's she saying is only her opinion...

It wasn't long and you write off everything I write as my opinion, even when I cite examples of when you weren't coherent (despite you claiming, from time to time, that's a past problem that you no longer suffer from). As criticalreading.com mentioned, "Reading and writing are complementary processes." Your posts are often a mess. Your writing ability is not independent from your reading skills.

Incoherent stuff just from the past post:

"I have some problems in clear syntax so you consider it all because I have problems." --- That's not coherent. Also, you said before that your problems were in the past and now it's not a problem. However, here you're saying that you do have some problems.

#132 May 15th, 9:31am
Saber Apricot

Personally, I felt that if it wasn't just plain boring, it was some pompous blowhard trying to confuse people with really advanced grammar and uncommon words. If you need a dictionary to get through the first chapter, it won't hold my attention long.

My vocab skills aren't exactly stellar, but I never had that sort of problem. It may be because I was learning Japanese on my own and used to spend time translating stuff with a Japanese-English dictionary and just reading the dictionary. But English class was still really boring. Psychology, sociology, and humanities were fun classes, only because there really wasn't any homework and there was a lot of class participation. Gen ed classes were never much fun for me. Even in college, they just feel like a waste of time and money for the most part. Although, deductive logic was kind of enjoyable. I took it as one of my gen ed maths. It was just a bunch of fake math used to show that an argument was or wasn't false.

For example: All apples are fruits. Some Apples are red. Therefore, some fruits are red.

#133 May 15th, 9:44am
Darkwinter999

Saber is right, in a blunt an obviously offended and exhaused way. She has been telling you the same things over and over again, always offering very good and true examples, and you do keep ignoring everything, and reitterating the same generic cries of persecution or throwing insults back at her and everyone who supports her, or just not you. I don't have anthing for or against this other person aside from what I saw her say to and about you. She used facts that exist to hurt you and possibly gain defense and support at the same time. You fought it by just making things up or using your own opinions as fact. You have never been completely blameless in any fight I have seen the beginning, middle and end of, and I can't see you completely innocent here either.

That doean't mean you deserve any of that. You just need to change your reactions to minimize the personal damage an blame.

#134 May 15th, 9:47am
Irindiglo2SkyParodise

I'm saying it, because it's true. Writing skills do not determine overall intelligence and competency. Some very smart people are horrible at writing.

No you're saying it because yu think it's true and it's baseless. I've established before that my reading is fine. But you insist that you know better than me. If it's baseless, then I would have had nothing to base it on. However, you admitted that you have had troubles in the past and claim that we're using that as reference. So you're admitting that I'm basing it on something, meaning it's not baseless.

So what if I admitted it? That doesn't mean it's true. Your claim is baseless you have nothing to support it except that you have seen me make a few mistakes. That doesn't mean you can insist that my reading comprehension is suddenly lacking because it seems that way to you!

Knowing you has nothing to do with this.

It has everything to do with it! You know what I mean, don't take childish meanings of what I said. You don't know my writing skilsl well enough to asses something as serious as poor reading comprehension.

From another thread you wrote: & just b/c I didn't read her tl;dr opinion of why she's right and isn't insulting, it doesn't mean I'm just overlooking a problem. I think what's she saying is only her opinion...

It wasn't long and you write off everything I write as my opinion, even when I cite examples of when you weren't coherent (despite you claiming, from time to time, that's a past problem that you no longer suffer from). As criticalreading.com mentioned, "Reading and writing are complementary processes." Your posts are often a mess. Your writing ability is not independent from your reading skills.

Incoherent stuff just from the past post:

"I have some problems in clear syntax so you consider it all because I have problems." --- That's not coherent. Also, you said before that your problems were in the past and now it's not a problem. However, here you're saying that you do have some problems.

It was long winded for an opinion that you state is supposedly proof of my lack of reading comprehension. I write it off, because I don't agree with it. And yeah the incoherensy is a problem I have when I write too fast not something I'm struggling with hence the reason I say 'past'. Look I don't care what your manuel says, don't try to asses me on something you don't know about. You don't knwo my writing skills by a few examples here. No one can asses my writing even if they had a 100 papers from me. This is why I won't listen to your BS. My readhing comprehension is fine and I don't need you to tell me it is.

Your conclusions are not in anyway connected to your examples, they are just judgments you make up based on what you think. Well you're wrong!

I'm doen arguing. Think what you will but you can't force your assements as true facts nor can your force me to accept them. Especially when I know it's wrong.

#135 May 15th, 10:12am
Saber Apricot

That doean't mean you deserve any of that.

Agreed. I don't think it's right for people who don't like you to try to hurt your feelings or make fun of you either, Indiglo. That we all agree on.

#136 May 15th, 10:13am
Saber Apricot

So what if I admitted it? That doesn't mean it's true.

That's interesting...

I don't know how I should interpret that quote, but I think I'm done with this. I just keep repeating myself, you just keep claiming innocence and that my opinion is baseless BS, and this is upsetting you. It's just a mess.

#137 May 15th, 10:18am . Edited May 15th, 10:25am
Irindiglo2SkyParodise

Saber is right, in a blunt an obviously offended and exhaused way. She has been telling you the same things over and over again, always offering very good and true examples, and you do keep ignoring everything, and reitterating the same generic cries of persecution or throwing insults back at her and everyone who supports her, or just not you.

Saber is wrong and so are you! She is offering the same assessment in hopes to get me to believe it. Yet it is nothing more than her opinions. She has had no proof what so ever of her assessment. All she has sourced was more mistakes she has seen with my writing then she tries to tell me that it in someway indicates that my reading comprehension stinks. Then when I disagree, and I don't exactly reiterate what she has said, she says it's more proof that my reading comprehension is bad.

And the only ones ignoring what I have to say and reiterating the same stuff is you two. Both of you keep repeating my lack of coherency in some psots as if it proves anything. Wheras in reality it has nothing to do with what you are arguing. And I am not lashing out at anyone who supports Saber but you are blaming me because you support Saber. You think that I am automatically wrong based on your POV. And I hae not called persecution, you are not reading what I said. And for some reason Saber won't accuse you of having bad reading comprehension like she would to me, had I misread what you wrote.

I don't have anthing for or against this other person aside from what I saw her say to and about you. She used facts that exist to hurt you and possibly gain defense and support at the same time. You fought it by just making things up or using your own opinions as fact. You have never been completely blameless in any fight I have seen the beginning, middle and end of, and I can't see you completely innocent here either.

Yes she can use facts to hurt me, except she exaggerates them to the point where they are untrue. The fact that she uses these opinions as weaposn makes me suspicious. Like Maiafay said, maybe she is continually fighting me to get a reaction out of me.(Well Maia said something more like 'it seems that way' ) I'm making things up? No it seems like you're doing what you're accusing me of. Of course no one can be blameless in a fight, unless it is for self defense bt even then you won't believe me. Why? Because according to you in your POV whenever I argue against concrit, even when I know it isn't right, I'm just trying to stop all concrit.

That doean't mean you deserve any of that. You just need to change your reactions to minimize the personal damage an blame.

Thank you but no I can't minimize my reactions. I don't want to be pushed around so sometimes I have to go off. I do agree that I should be more cool but I'm not going to be nice if no one is going to give me the courtesy of checking their facts before placing big judgments on me.

#138 May 15th, 10:24am
Irindiglo2SkyParodise

Ditto with what Saber said.

For the record I didn't know you were claming it as your opinion. If you were than I really didn't mean to be so harsh.

#139 May 15th, 10:26am
Darkwinter999

So what if I admitted it? That doesn't mean it's true.

.....I really don't see why you'd say it in the first place if it wasn't. Saying untrue things just to fit an arguement at the time or to excuse an embarrassing situation, then denouncing it later is one reason why many may think you are stupid. It sounds like you are just making things up all the time and have no idea what you are talking about. I know the truth.....but it's not much better.

And yeah the incoherensy is a problem I have when I write too fast not something I'm struggling with hence the reason I say 'past'.

Why would we care about how you write in school? We don't see it. We only see what you post here, and here you are either writing too fast, or absolutely pissed off because you read something offensive, here or elsewhere. I'm sure you can write more clearly, but you aren't and that is a problem with understanding you, as well as gaining support versus a flamer. Forgive the analogy, but a bomb isn't powerful until it explodes; potential counts for nothing if it isn't used.

#140 May 15th, 12:31pm
Irindiglo2SkyParodise

So what if I admitted it? That doesn't mean it's true.

.....I really don't see why you'd say it in the first place if it wasn't. Saying untrue things just to fit an arguement at the time or to excuse an embarrassing situation, then denouncing it later is one reason why many may think you are stupid. It sounds like you are just making things up all the time and have no idea what you are talking about. I know the truth.....but it's not much better.

You don't understand what I mean. So at least let me explain then maybe you can retract your new judgment that I'm sounding stupid. Or will your opinion not change at all, anyways?

I meant was so what if I admitted to incoherency at sometimes, that doesn't mean that I have bad syntax.

Why would we care about how you write in school? We don't see it. We only see what you post here, and here you are either writing too fast, or absolutely pissed off because you read something offensive, here or elsewhere. I'm sure you can write more clearly, but you aren't and that is a problem with understanding you, as well as gaining support versus a flamer. Forgive the analogy, but a bomb isn't powerful until it explodes; potential counts for nothing if it isn't used.

The point was the incoherency was mistakes mainly from writing fast and being ticked at something offensive. That doesn't mean you can judge for certain whether my writing is truly bad, like if my syntax is bad. Because it isn't, I'm just jumbling it now and then. When people make mistakes, that doesn't necessarily mean their writing is jumbled. Just like that, I make mistakes, and sometimes just write bad on purpose. Like those times you wondered who I was addressing, I didn't address anyone on purpose, because they would know I was talking to them so there was no point.

#141 May 15th, 12:39pm
Saber Apricot

Forgive the analogy, but a bomb isn't powerful until it explodes; potential counts for nothing if it isn't used.

It's a good analogy though...

I'm such a dork, that line from Iron Man the movie comes to mind: "They say the best weapon is one you never have to fire. I prefer the weapon you only need to fire once."

#142 May 15th, 12:44pm
Darkwinter999

Lol. Thanks Saber, I try.

Indiglo, I never said or thought that your writing was bad, and when I posted that, I was giving you a chance to explain before judgements. When I put a bunch of possoble senarios out there asking which is true, I haven't made a judgement yet. When I tell you how you come off, but don't accuse you of being such, I haven't made a judgement yet. I have learned the virtue of patience, and waiting for all facts to come to light, before judging anything, and never making final judgements. Why? Because it's just easier that way.

#143 May 15th, 3:59pm
Irindiglo2SkyParodise

When I tell you how you come off

In this case, you seem to. Isn't telling me how I come off sort of a judgment itself? Unless it's your personal opinion?

#144 May 15th, 4:10pm
Saber Apricot

For the record I didn't know you were claming it as your opinion. If you were than I really didn't mean to be so harsh.

Isn't telling me how I come off sort of a judgment itself? Unless it's your personal opinion?

This may seem like a stupid question, but could you explain what those two excerpts above mean? I mean, could you elaborate and explain to me what you believe the difference between judgment and opinion are? I'm not teasing you, I really want to know what you're thinking.

Judgment is, "1. The act or process of judging; the formation of an opinion after consideration or deliberation. 2. a.The mental ability to perceive and distinguish relationships; discernment. b.The capacity to form an opinion by distinguishing and evaluating. c. The capacity to assess situations or circumstances and draw sound conclusions; good sense. 3. An opinion or estimate formed after consideration or deliberation, especially a formal or authoritative decision. 5. An assertion of something believed (www.answers.com/judgement&r=67)."

So, judgments are opinions based on known (and unknown) evidence. And, just because it's a personal opinion, it doesn't mean that the opinion isn't based on any credible information or that it's not right. Granted, some opinions are more credible than others...Which is why backing up an opinion with credible sources that support it can be important.

Anyway, I want to know what you meant by the above quotes.

#145 May 15th, 6:12pm . Edited May 15th, 6:13pm
Irindiglo2SkyParodise

Um okay, it doesn't sound stupid(your question).

By judgment I mean more of an opinion from facts not just an opinion formed from just belief. Yet I thought the judgments were premature.

That's what I meant.

#146 May 15th, 7:15pm . Edited May 15th, 7:16pm
Saber Apricot

Okay, thanks for answering.

#147 May 15th, 9:13pm
Cascadence

So....what...?

#148 May 15th, 10:55pm
Darkwinter999

Ah, so you are saying opinions are thouroughly biased and based on emotions and prejudices, while a judgement is based on the immediate or past information.

I am still wondering why you are offended by us having either. Are we supposed to pretend we don't know you or something? Because I really don't understand what you want from us. We can't really have a resolution here until all sides are clear on expectations. Plus, we can expect this to keep coming up until we hammer out some kind of agreement or w/e.

#149 May 16th, 7:36am
Irindiglo2SkyParodise

I never implied opinions come from prejudices and emotions but they can. Sometimes they are only opinions because they lack complete facts.

If you read my posts before, then you'll see that I never said pretend you don't know me. I said you don't know how I write and where I come from, enough to asses my writing skills. it's like my teacher said, you can get a 100 papers from someone but you can't truly asses their writing skills. This isn't a demand of mine, but I just want to disagree with Saber for once without being told that I'm wrong. It seems that no one can truly disagree with Saber. She always finds loopholes and by the time the argument is over, only Saber isn't tired to continue so everyong gives up. So she usually wins.

I don't agree that she's right about my Reading Comprehension skills on the basis that she doesn't know my writing skills well enough to asses it, let alone my reading skills. Plus this whole conversation proved that my Reading Comprehension is fine. I don't want to keep being looked at like I'm just ignoring everything you say when I'm really just tired or arguing with facts that are ignored or overlooked. This time you were sort of telling me that she had exasperated herself trying to tell me that my Reading Comprehenion skills were bad and I was ignoring it. When in reality I was just not listening to her, because I know that my Reading Comprehension skills are fine, in fact good. Maybe very good. Since I scored high on the basic skils test in Reading Comprehension.

I've established it last time, but I think she overlooked it because she had an example of where I misread something she said.

But yeah, I disagree with her on that and this time I don't want to accept her or anyone else who agrees with her on this, when I know otherwise. She's already stopped fighting, so this won't matter anyways. We've agreed to disagree. You can too, Darkwinter.

That's all I have to say, I don't wnat to continue this, especially right now because my throat hurts & I have the flu.

#150 May 16th, 7:40am . Edited May 16th, 11:02am


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