Before we start fangirling them to shreds, let's take a collective step back for a moment. As intelligent fanfiction writers, let's stop to consider...

Just how compatible are these couples?

Let's take Kalas and Xelha for example. I'm throroughly convinced that Xelha is the only girl who will make Kalas truly, completely, and utterly happy... but does she benefit from the relationship, too?

Xelha may be there to heal the ache in Kalas' heart, but what about her own? Why do you think she went off to pursue him in the first place? She never really goes into her reasons in the game, except to say, "I wanted to save you." Okay, so she wanted to save him from himself. A kind, selfless act. This is what you call unconditional love, right?

Maybe. Or maybe she was just lonely. Maybe I'm reading too much into things, but maybe she just wanted to find someone to love. I mean, can you imagine growing up the queen of an Ice Nation, secluded from your people, secluded from the world? When Xelha got a glimpse of the outside in her dream about Kalas, do you think that was enough to propel her from Wazn? Maybe she was searching. Maybe she just wanted to connect with somebody.

She meets Kalas, and immediately latches on to him. She gives the relationship her all (stopping short of an actual confession, though, until it doesn't matter anymore) and hopes to give meaning to her existence. And with the release of the Ocean always looming in her future, she probably does just want some kind of meaning. She loves Kalas, even if she can't explain why.

But what happens after everything turns out to be okay in the end? Kalas learns to appreciate her, but what about her feelings? Kalas, for all his cleverness, is still in some ways quite immature and thick-headed. And hurtful and vengeful and insensitive. And unstable. She can help to soothe his wildness, but what if she becomes disillusioned with this kind of give-and-take love? Once Kalas decides to trust someone, then it's pretty much a done deal. So he'll probably love her forever, but what if she gets tired of him...?

Now I'm not saying that Kalas/Xelha is unrealistic or impossible... Xelha may very well be happy catering to Kalas all her life. But is this the best relationship for Xelha's happiness?

Try to look at your own favorite couples this way. Based on their personalities, will they enjoy long-term happiness or only fleeting affairs? Is this what's best for them? Be ruthless in your analysis.

And be realistic.

:D

Maybe. Or maybe she was just lonely. Maybe I'm reading too much into things, but maybe she just wanted to find someone to love. I mean, can you imagine growing up the queen of an Ice Nation, secluded from your people, secluded from the world? When Xelha got a glimpse of the outside in her dream about Kalas, do you think that was enough to propel her from Wazn? Maybe she was searching. Maybe she just wanted to connect with somebody.

I agree with that. I mean, my mom puts strict boundaries around me and when I get to school I really want to talk to someone and stuff like that.

Well, the writers for the game DID put an inconsitiancy for Kalas and Xelha's relationship. -glares-

The possiblities are endless. Suggestions?

Maybe. Or maybe she was just lonely. Maybe I'm reading too much into things, but maybe she just wanted to find someone to love. I mean, can you imagine growing up the queen of an Ice Nation, secluded from your people, secluded from the world?

I don't think you're reading too much into it at all (then again, I read too much into things all the time. XD). I was thinking along the same lines. Add that to her mother dying and her being left with the duty of releasing the ocean, and Xelha must have felt incredibly lonely. Also, recall what she said towards the end of the game: "We're two of a kind, you were different". Perhaps she felt drawn to Kalas becuase he is also very different from anyone else in the world.

Sort of an odd reason to fall in love with someone, I suppose.

But anyways.

I was thinking about Xelha and her opinion of Kalas again the other day. I said before that she might become disillusioned with Kalas, having not found whatever it was she was looking for, but I disagree with that now. It's hard for me to believe that she would follow him through hell in order to save him, but then just turn her back on him. She MUST have seen SOMETHING in him, otherwise she wouldn't have taken the trouble. Even if Xelha was desperate for love, she wouldn't choose any ole guy.

So basically what you said, Strawberry. "Perhaps she felt drawn to Kalas because he is also very different from anyone else in the world."

It is an odd reason to fall in love, but we have this strange desire to connect as humans, don't we? At least I think so.

Any other thoughts, anyone? On Xelha/Kalas or on a different couple.

I would personally like to see Ruingaraf or one of the other Savyna/Gibari fans arguing for/against the compatibility of that couple.

It's strange that a canon couple has this much issues...I never thought about problems with those two, before (other than the fact that I kind of want Xelha and Lyude together, haha).

The more I think about them being "two of a kind", the more likely it sounds. As Fan said, we humans want to connect to others. While the people of Wazn love their queen, she still probably feels very different from them, being destined to release the Ocean and all. She may have felt that Kalas was also unlike anyone else, even if she didn't know how at the time.

This one is definitely debatable... whether Xelha forced herself into love or not, I mean. I have to say that I sort of agree with Brenda... but... well, these are my thoughts on the matter.

I really don't know what it would be like to be Xelha; I can only imagine what it would be like to live in one place for seventeen years. (The longest I've ever lived in one place is only four.) After she got to Sadal Suud, she was probably in great culture shock. She had to deal with the heat, the clouds, different culture, dress, ways of speaking... and she had to keep track of Kalas. It was probably all so confusing for her, especially after seeing Melodia put some kind of weird spell on his Guardian Spirit and witnessing deaths of Gram and Leon. But she recognized Kalas from her dream and knew that she had to stay with him. I think it's very possible that while travelling around the world and sensing that the fight with Malpercio and the release of the Ocean was growing near, she realized that she might never be able to see those sights again. It might be the last time she would be able to travel the world, or make new friends. Or feel love, for that matter. She already felt that she had to protect Kalas; I can easily see her developing a desperate kind of love for him. The question is, though, when did she start to feel this love?

I really want to know what you guys think about this... I think it could have been any time from when she first laid eyes on him to when he came back to the party after his betrayal. I say that because the first time she met him was NOT the first time she saw him... previously, she saw him in her dreams and in Moonguile Forest. Her feelings could have turned romantic within that span of time. And it's so completely obvious that she likes Kalas by the time he joins back up. Even Gibari says something. And she blushes. So adorable! But anyways, I personally think that she started loving him after Mira. For one thing, she has a few one-on-one conversations with him there and starts to get closer to him. And for another, during both the disappearance of the End Magnus and the Lava Caves scenes, she probably knows that he's the traitor, but she keeps the knowledge to herself. She tries to hold her faith in him until the end, and afterwards she moves forward with amazing decisiveness. I think this is because she cares about him so much... She doesn't want to let him go... She just wants to live a normal life with him and so she does all she can to get him back and save the world.

Well... the nature of her love for him is probably just a matter of personal opinion. Oh, I don't know. But I do want to know what you guys think about when she fell in love with him. Please. :3

Interesting thoughts... I suppose I woukd be the "others around the site"? XD

I agree with Fan. I forgot about the Mira scenes, but thinking back on them now, I remember sensing something that I hadn't noticed between Xelha and Kalas while they were talking on deck. Xelha's sudden drive to protect a boy who she hardly knows is also interesting because you have to wonder what really made her feel that way. Maybe simply being the "protector" of the Ocean and Wazn was too abstract a duty for her and she wanted to find someone who she could be on the same level as and who she could protect because she wanted to, not because she was born to it. There could be many reasons behind this, but I always thought that one of the reasons Xelha refrained from telling her friends about her royal heritage was that she wanted the intimacy that comes with equality, hence it seems as if she wanted to form relationships in order to distance herself from a powerful but ultimately two-dimensional role as the queen of Wazn. Maybe Kalas represents to her what little freedom of choice she has in her life considering the looming and unavoidable destiny that awaits her when everything is said and done. Blah, I'm writing this as I think it, which is why I'm hopping left and right. Screw fatalism, Xelha. Fight the power!

Xelha's a damned interesting character, probably more so than her creators imagined or fans of the game give her credit for. Most of the dismissive responses she gets from gamers probably stems from her rather stereotyped role as the sweet blonde girl who has an epic quest to fulfill, a tragic fate ahead of her, and some sort of romantic connection with the lead male. (Examples: Colette from Tales of Symphonia and Fina from Skies of Arcadia.) I think one of the differences between Xelha and those other girls is that she saved someone who dearly needed saving rather than just allowed herself to be the one in distress all the time. Lloyd (ToS) and Vyse (SoA) were strong-minded heroes who knew what they wanted in life and didn't need too much support from anyone, but with a disturbed and greatly confused character like Kalas, there wasn't any time for Xelha to play the hunted damsel card. She literally pushed her problems and angst-worthy destiny aside so that Kalas, who was of a weaker resolve than she was, could keep his foremost in everyone's mind. If she didn't love him the way she did, she'd be almost a mother to him. I think there's a lot about Xelha that we don't know and we may never know because of this. She has a deep, dark, and naked sort of humanness hidden somewhere in her soul that she is utterly aware of and that she must see in Kalas, hence the "two of a kind" bit. To put it in Angela Carter terms, "if there's a beast in men, it meets it's match in women too," and Kalas and Xelha and perhaps even the Spirit are all wolves in men's skin. It hearkens back to some Freudian principles (the few that seem to have some merit), but I won't go that deep. To reply to Fan's earlier statement, Kalas and Xelha's relationship will probably be stable if Kalas not only learns to appreciate what Xelha's done for him, but learns to see in her the hidden similarities she saw in him, and tries to become what she became to him. I'd like to think he'd be the clever boy that he is and do that, because his happiness depends on it as well as hers, but you never know...

Holy Sh*t, I talk a lot.

Interesting thoughts, I never noticed how far she went to cover her own angsty past and back up Kalas. And I do think it could really work, but it would again, require major work on Kalas' side. I think he's really a kind person, but often lashes out in defense and hurts the people close to him by mistake.

That's why I like Xelha more than Collette, too. She tries to FIGHT it, unlike Collette who hands the butcher the knife with a smile. Always liked Sheena, Zelos, Kratos, and Raine more in that game, anyhow. Come to think of it, it's kind of like Zelos hides his angst to allow a great deal of angsting on Sheena's part, while Zelos ends up as the comic relief. (I don't -think- that's a spoiler, since pretty much everyone has angst of some sort)

Which is why it makes me angry when people say TOS is better than BK. Collette VS Xelha, the little Chosen would be sitting on her ass so fast... (I think it also helps that Xelha is your best character for half of the game, while Collette is basically useless except for Sacrifice. Have you ever set Collete on At Once with her only technique being Scarifice, and set Raine on nothing but Resurecction? It's priceless. "SACRIFICE! *dies, restoring whole party's HP and doing massive damage*" "Bring this soul back from Purgatory... Resureccion! *brings our favorite sacrifical lamb back to life, just so she can die again*" Meanwhile, Sheena summons Asuka and Luna, and Zelos occasionally healing, but is mostly just hacking at poor Yggdrasil. "Thunder Blade!" XDDD)

Yeah, I need to shut up, too.

I think the main reason why Baten Kaitos tends to get panned in favor of ToS is because it came out in ToS's shadow and wasn't as hyped, thus fewer people gave it any regard. I'm just lucky I happened to pick it up one day. I don't even remember what got me interested in the first place because I was a huge anime fan at the time (I mean HUGE) and I wasn't used to the "realistic" styles of the characters. That and ToS has better and famous voice actors (liek, OMG it's Robin!), but that never mattered to me. I always tried to give Colette more credit, because she is sweet and good-intentioned, but next to Xelha she's a pansy.

Now, back on topic. How about Gibari/Savyna? (It's you who likes them, right Ruin?) I'll admit that I never thought Gib and Savy's relationship would ever get too romantic and it's hard for me to see them getting married. Savyna would probably be hesitant to suddenly dive into an intimate relationship considering her past and the habits she's probably developed because of them. ("Don't get too close to anyone" is what they usually beat into their heads at those kinds of assassin/Green Beret-esque factions. What happened with you, Sheena? Savyna would've slaughtered that little blonde lamb, and in a shorter amount of time too. But then we wouldn't have much of a story, would we?) But Gibari is also the patient type when it comes to people other than Kalas, and would probably let her move along at her own pace, keeping her company and offering her support when she needed it. Their relationship would develop at a slow, but peaceful rate, in stark contrast to Kalas and Xelha's almost hectic and rocky attempts at romance. If you've ever seen the movie Once (an Irish musical that doesn't act like a musical), it would be like something along those lines. They would be better off as great friends with romantic tones underlying their relationship than an all-out married couple, but it's not like it couldn't happen. These are my opinions, remember? On the plus side, for those of you who may be a bit dissapointed, I always thought that if Savyna were to remain with someone for the rest of her life to keep her company and to help her cope with her past, Gibari would be the perfect guy. He's just a positive and patient person, if not a little gruff at times, which is just what Savyna needs, and, being the laid-back "nothing special to do" guy he is, he'd probably enjoy the company (and being the first to try Savyna's cooking). Savyna's also not the type to complain, so it's not like he will have to put up with her being angsty all the time.

Besides, if you'll allow me to rant a bit more, I'm not of the philosophy that romance has to result from a loving relationship. Though I'm glad that it seems like they did, if Kalas and Xelha never became a couple after the game, I'd still be (mostly) fine, because that's not what's important. I'd rather have the chance to change someone's life for the better and then never see them again than have an empty relationship with no improvement or influence at all. So all those couples people find themselves angry at because they never stayed together, or because one of them died before they could become more involved, it might be better to cool off and think about whether it would be worse if they had never met at all. Not that I'm not hoping for a little Kalas or Xelha sometime in the future, but...

Go watch Harold and Maude--it's one of the best love stories I've ever seen. And if any of you actually listen to me and look it up, I wish I could see the look on your face when you do. :)

(/biased and inflated opinions)

I do like Gibari/Savyna. I'll elaborate tomorrow, since it's kinda late and I walked WAY too much today (I have this disease where I'm not supposed to do too much physical stuff, but I decided I wanted to be a regular teen today, so I walked until I nearly collapsed. This is not to be confused with the disease that makes me unable to eat wheat, gluten, malt, barley, most oats, etc., haha).

"Go watch Harold and Maude..."

I've seen that! It's sooooo good. My friend showed it to me last year, and I watched it again a few weeks ago. It makes me want a hearse, haha. And the ending scene is just...amazing to me.

I still am an anime fan, but I always prefered the BK charater designs. Though I will admit that Zelos' design is extremely original. Who thinks of creating a male character with curly red hair down to his waist and a pink vest? NOT ME.

Yeah, Collete isn't bad, she just gets really, really annoying at times. You have no right to angst about handing over your own life if you're doing it willingly. I liked her a lot better in the second disk where she grew a personality. And yeah, Xelha would WHOOP her. XD

Lawl, Savyna would have killed her for sure. Sheena's a pretty cruddy assasin. It kinda confuses me how people always compare Sheena and Savyna, because Sheena is actually much more like Lyude. Regardless, assasin schools in Mizuho aren't very good at brainwashing, or else Sheena was a reject student of the brainwash program. XD

YES THAT WOULD BE ME. *fangirls* I agree, it's definatly not sterotypical, which is what I like about it. The marrage thing is more of the fact that I see Savyna thinking it totally unnessary, since his word would mean more than a stip of metal and a day in a dress. And yes, she'd definatly be hesitant, but no one else would be willing to work with her on it than the patient and laid-bak Gibari. Plus, physical contact would initially be pretty overwhelming for her, since the last time she got a hug she was about five. Lawl at 'people other than Kalas', I definatly agree, I've always seen him as being protective of her like that, but not overly so. Slow and peaceful are good adjectives for their relationship- there would definatly be road bumps, but it would be a lot steadier than Xelha and Kalas, as you said. Again, of course he would be perfect for that. Plus, on his side, it would probably be hard to go back to being the I-go-my-own-way outcast that he was, since he now has a number of good friends. Granted, he has Reblys, but that's not exactly a friendship as much as compitition. Haha, I need to write a fic about the cooking thing, that's another perk- Gibari has been living on his own for ages, so he'll eat pretty much anything. Not that he's a bad cook, but I'm pretty sure it's not a task he enjoys, either. Agreed about the angst thing as well, he would be the type to see if something's bugging her, and offer to be therre and listen, but not try to pry. That's a lot of what she would admite about him, I think, the fact that he judges people with his own eyes, and respects the value of the past being something you may or may not want to talk about, especially considering his own.

I definatly agree with that, relationships are about growth and learning. Flat relationships that don't change are boring.

For biased options, I like the bias. XDDD You've summed up my BKOTP pretty well. :D

"I've seen that! It's sooooo good. My friend showed it to me last year, and I watched it again a few weeks ago. It makes me want a hearse, haha. And the ending scene is just...amazing to me."

Do you sing and dance? :) I thought the romance between a young man (about 20s-ish) and a seventy-nine year old woman would creep out the people who haven't seen it. Once you get to know the characters, it's not as creepy as it once seemed.

(About the disease part) Holy crap, that's terrible! Where I live, everyone gripes about little allergies and asthma problems which only make your throat itch for five minutes or make you pant twice as much as everyone else, but that sucks. I take Tae Kwon Do and I love to ride my bike every day, so I can't imagine...

About Zelos (and Sheena): What cracks me up about the Tales games, though, is that they're the only ones who dress that way. None of the normal people have distinguishing clothes like the oddly color-coordinated ones the party and main characters have. Xelha and Savyna's clothing may be the strangest in BK, but at least they're consistent with the odd clothing styles of the general populace (like Anuenue, whose kids look like green marshmallows or ducklings). Also, the more I think about it, the less convinced I feel about Sheena's job as Colette's assassin. Why would Tethe'alla send a half-baked, reluctant assassin to kill Sylvarant's Chosen when the state of its whole world is at stake? We're talking about a pretty hefty mission here. You're right, Ruin; like Lyude, Sheena can't shut off that mental valve that makes her feel guilt or compassion. I can see why Lyude started out on the wrong side (his family pulled the strings), but what the hell is Sheena doing as an assassin if she can't even curb her feelings? The Savyna in me is at a loss right now.

That's true, I forgot that about Gibari. For some reason, his "against the grain" attitude may also be why he likes and would stick with Savyna, because being a close companion to a former assassin probably wouldn't settle well with the villagers of whatever town they decide to stay in. They both have a buddy they can rely on and he gets another chance to stick out his tongue at everyone. Fun times. I never really saw him as an outcast, just a guy who liked to follow the beat of his own drum. I can see them getting old together, but, yet again, marriage and/or sex just seems like a bit of a stretch. I had the same views about the Kratos/Raine pairing, which I supported whole-heartedly provided that Kratos never had to leave at the end.

"Do you sing and dance? :) I thought the romance between a young man (about 20s-ish) and a seventy-nine year old woman would creep out the people who haven't seen it. Once you get to know the characters, it's not as creepy as it once seemed."

A sunflower, Harold? Yeah, when you tell anyone the summary they get all weirded out, haha. Oh! If you liked that movie, try "Wristcutters: A Love Story". You can watch it online, I'll post the link in a second. Just click the bottom right link that says "Watch Full". It comes with Japanese subtitles, haha (oh, it's not illegal since you're not downloading anything. My friend was freaking out about that, haha).

http://watch-movies.net/movies/wristcutters_a_love_story/

Anyways, back to the topic, haha.

-decides she needs ToS, if only to follow conversations- Haha...

Let's see, on Gibari and Savyna...I love the pairing, and I think it works really well. They would progress slowly, but I think it might go a bit faster than you two say because of how she's healed a bit already. I think it would get easier to break through to her as time went on, but it would still take a while. I also think that, while they wouldn'g get married, sex doesn't seem too unbelievable after a while. I could be completely off, though, haha.

True, people dress weird in the whole BK world. XD

Evidently, Kuchinawa was otherwise occupied at the time, so they were out of a crazed bloodthirsty ninja assasin. And don't get me wrong, I love Sheena as a character, especially how she interacts with Zelos. But she has way to much of a heart to be an assasin, there's no way it could work for her. A leader, a guard ninja, a teacher of ninja arts, yes, but not an assassin. She loves being a ninja, I think, but hates killing. I see her being able to kill 'bad' people that were trying to hurt her or the village, but the reason that Collette tripped her up is because the little Chosen trusted her. Then again, that little Chosen isn't so bright, either. Perhaps a three-watt, in terms of lightbulbs. (But she has a 1114432425-watt heart, so it's okay). Besides, if Sheena wasn't a ninja, what would she DO? She's an orphan in a ninja village with relatively little knowledge about the outside world and its technology. She knows how to use cards that explode, and she can summon guardians. Ninja's kinda the only option there, since I defiantly can't see her as a farmer. Nope, she's probably a plant-killer. ("Dammit! Grow! GROW!!!" *plant dies* "Not AGAIN...")

The Savyna in me is at a loss for a lot of things. XD But she should give her a break, not everyone has the ability to completely surpress all emotion.

Lawl at 'former assasin'. The only place she'd be viewed that way is Alfard, though, and I don't see either of them wanting to stay there. (You forget, they're heros now) Nashira actually seems like the sort of place she'd like, though, friendly people, but a small enough town that you can slip away if you can't take the noise anymore. Stick his tongue out? Ahahaha, why does that fit him so well? More the reason I always saw him facinated with her is the fact that she's so quiet and withdrawn, coupled with the fact that she's a fascinating person to talk to once you get her to talk about something. Between the two of them, they'd have a great deal of interesting things to talk about, mutual interests, etc((.

I see sex as more of a posibility than marrage, though it would obviously be a pretty long time in coming.

And yes Brenda, play TOS. Good game. Play it twice, once where you're nice to Collette, and once where you're mean to everyone but Kratos. It changes the ending, although you won't know until the second or third visit to Flanoir which ending you have.

My friend and I are playing through the game again, it's pretty fun to be a complete jerk to everyone but Kratos.

~

Raine: *sigh*

Lloyd: Come on Professor, you don't get depressed!

Raine: ...you are insensitive, Lloyd.

~

Sheena: W-well, you would become a ninja by marrage.

Lloyd: What, to you?

Sheena: ...

~

Presea: Lloyd, may I ask you a question?

Lloyd: No.

Presea: ... *leaves*

Lloyd: Geez, I was just kidding...

~

Genis: What do you want for supper tonight?

Lloyd: I don't care! :D

Genis: Fine, so you don't appreciate my cooking!

Where's FanFanGirl? It's not like I don't love you or Brenda, Ruin, but Fan's the one who started the topic and I wanted to hear some of her opinions/arguments too (especially about Xelha).

Lawl, as you say, at the plant-killer bit. I love Colette, but she's about as bright as a firefly lost in a snowstorm. It's true that Sheena was brought up that way--I should've remembered that. It's been a while since I've played ToS because I always get into one-sided debates with the Lloyd on my television screen about the existence of altruism and his utter (albeit noble) naivete. Call me cruel, but that son of a gun makes me want to kick a puppy with his "no more sacrifices" speeches. I'll be over here with Kalas, thank you. It's a lot of fun to make him a jerk, but I sometimes felt sorry for the characters I had him blow off (like Raine).

Actually, it is possible to suppress emotion almost entirely--I forget exactly how, but we studied it a bit in Psychology. Of course, that doesn't mean you can't be snapped out of your self-induced emotionlessness like Savyna was.

I always thought they'd stay in Nashira too--it's hard to see Gibari leaving the riverside and Savyna would like the quiet. I remembered that they're heroes now, but that doesn't mean that everyone else would take her often hard demeanor and iffy past lightly. I could imagine that if some random villager spoke to her face to face, especially now that her personal history is famous around the world due to the party's adventures, they would find themselves thinking "She could kill me if she wanted to." Savyna, as warm as she can be at times with the ones she cares for, just has that air about her, probably from years of service in Alfard and what I hear from summaries of BKO is a rather scarring past. Yet again, this is where good ol' Gib comes in. I was thinking of the same thing in terms of conversations--they'd have a ton of them. Conversations are my favorite way of getting a romance or simply a good friendship started--real or fictional. The kinds of relationships that result from those sorts of friendly, platonic interactions are often the most lasting, though they're often not as fiery as the people observing the couple would like. Between the two, sex would be more possible than marriage, simply because I can't see Savyna committing herself to a relationship in such an open, ceremonial way, and Gibari doesn't look like the guy who would be too keen on adding the formal title of "husband" to his name even at the age of thirty-five. Besides, how many of you can see Savyna in a wedding dress or Gibari in a tux?

The Sheena one is the best of Lloyd's disses. :D It's just so cruel and *sshole-ish that it makes me cackle, like when Kalas looted Gram and Leon's bodies. (*sigh*) Maybe I'm the one who needs therapy.

Firefly lost in a snowstorm.... XDDDD

Yeah, I just kind of tune him out. At least Sheena's altruism is beleivable, you know? And I think Zelos and Raine will be joining you in the 'The World Sucks' corner.

Portia. Julius Caeser, Shakespeare. Plus, Hawkeye from FMA has the emotion thing down pretty well, just not as well as Savyna does.

Nashira seems like their sort of place, I agree. You cannot sepatate Gibari from his boat. XD Yeah, you can kind of tell she was screwed up even before BKO, considering she's mute in -that- game. Yikes.

Not me. XD

Nope, I laughed. Sorry, not a Lloyd/Sheena fan, I'm of the opinion that she pursued him at first because of what she thought romance SHOULD be, rather than her actual feelings. *shrug*

Portia. Julius Caeser, Shakespeare

Shakespeare...(*foams at the mouth and convulses with sheer joy at the very mention of his name*) I'M NOT WORTHY OH MIGHTY BARD! From memory: To be, or not to be, that is the question: for whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and, by opposing, end them. To die: to sleep; no more; and by sleep to say we end the heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to; 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; to sleep; perchance to dream. I lurve Hamlet in all his brilliant suicidal emo-ness. I be-eth a Shakespeare fangirl of the craziest kind. Mwahahaha.

(*Ahem*) So, now that we've got Gibari/Savyna mostly settled between the three of us (nobody eles seems to have noticed this topic) how about another pairing? The only other one I openly support that I can think of right now is Mizuti/Kee, but I'll vouch for or argue against any other pairing someone might suggest that's for Eternal Wings. (-Has no idea who Verus is.) We can try Xelha/Lyude or Kalas/Melodia, both of which, in my opinion, have some merit worth arguing for, because Xelha and Lyude get along great as it is, which may have resulted in a crush at one point or another, and I'm 90% certain that Melodia had some kind of love for Kalas and that he probably sensed it.

P.S. I don't think the world sucks, I just like to see it in shades of gray. Lloyd's preaching may be proper for the circumatances his world is currently under, but holding to one extreme will only screw it up again once everything's evened out. Too much of anything will kill you, even in philosophy.

I like Lyude and Xelha together, I think it could work. I don't think that either of them had a crush on each other in the game, but think it really would be possible. What about you guys?

I really don't think it would work, honestly. I see them as really good friends but nothing more. *shrug*

I think that it could work, but not necessarily that it would. It is plausible, I think.

I never thought Xelha/Lyude would actually happen either, but it's not impossible. I think the main issue is that she's already so deeply dedicated to Kalas that she behaves as if that slot in her life is already filled up. Lyude is also the kind of guy you would expect to be a bit awkward at romantic overtures and his past haunts him so much already that he may just be glad to have a friend. If their relationship was taken to its furthest, I'd say it would be just a notch below what we said about Savyna and Gibari. Anything beyond that would be the product of circumstances, which is why I still think it's plausible, but it wouldn't happen naturally. Also, people who are very alike in personality and morals like Xelha and Lyude seem to be are more likely to grow close to one another; the "opposites attract" theory is mostly a lie, as proven by science. But Kalas and Xelha are more alike on a deeper level than Lyude and Xelha, which seems to make all the difference.

For further reference, assuming that I can remember all of these correctly, the major factors that contribute to the formation of a relationship are similarity, familiarity (in other words, they spend a lot of time together; remember the Aesop fable about the Fox and the Lion?), and, in coming with the other two, active (positive) involvement in the other person's life. There are others that you're probably thinking of, like trust, but they come after the first have been acquired.

Anyways, as for Kalas/Melodia, I think it would be pretty one-sided. Melodia appeals to all of the things Kalas believes will make him happy (corrupting material shite, like power and new wings), but only make things worse, while Xelha appeals to moral fulfillment (I suppose you could say) which, though it requires more work, will not only make Kalas happier, but will leave him with a clear conscience. Kalas, feeling slightly responsible for her fate, may find himself caring for Melodia's well-being in the end, but there are too many bad memories associated with her. Even if she has mended her ways, it's hard to see him in a relationship with a girl who allowed him to make a terrible mistake. Her love for him, supposing it does exist, would also be more immature than concrete, as if she doesn't know the proper way to support him emotionally. Though they're alike in that they've both suffered for their dealings with the evil god, and they've apparently been in cahoots for a long time, they are on very different moral planes from one another and they're too, shall we say on a light note, self-centered to give each other the support they really need. Melodia may love Kalas because he is close yet distanced enough from her morally to be helpful as well as understanding, but I can't see Kalas being anything more than a brotherly sort to her.

Opinions?

Yeah, I completely agree with the LyudexXelha thing. I love them together, and it COULD happen (especially if Kalas wasn't there), but it probably wouldn't.

As for KalasxMelodia...I think her evil personality just used him while pretending to love him. I also think it's possible that, because of the trauma, guilt, and the fact that Kalas saved her, her good personality might trick itself into thinking it loved him. I think that she might have tried to find someone to cling to, and Kalas seemed like the best choice given the circumstances. Not to say that she did love him, just that I think, if she did, this would be most likely. I could be completely off, though.

I was thinking more of in terms of post-game circumstances with Kalas and Melodia, but you're probably right about her in-game feelings for him. The interesting thing is that I never got the vibe that Kalas ever needed her to emotionally fulfill his desire for acceptance even though he was almost desperate for it--he just used her like she used him in order to gain power and a full set of shiny white wings. They probably had a very buisness-like relationship in the first place, but once Melodia hit rock bottom after being swallowed by Malpercio, that's when she would start to look to Kalas in a different manner.

Yeah, that's pretty much my thoughts in a nutshell.

I actually agree with the opposites attract thing, because your opposite is someone who has all the traits that you admire. However, on a deeper level you do need to be alike as well, I also agree. Confused? Me too.

How about Lyude/Mizuti? I can see it working, although only after Mizuti matures a bit. There's no way it's gonna work right now, she's a totally loose cannon. However, her cheerfulness and optimism would be good for Lyude, definatly. He'd never be bored. EVER.

"Confused? Me too."

Actually, I get it. My two friends (who seem to be completely in love, haha) are COMPLETELY different from each other, but when they talk they just connect on every other level. Like, nobody believed me when I told people they were going out, since it was SOOOO unexpected, but once you see them together you just 'get it'.

Lyude/Mizuti...My favorite character and my most hated. Hm. As much as I hate to stick Lyude with the demented doll, I will admit that it could work once she grew up a bit.

"He'd never be bored. EVER."

Oh man...that sounds almost ominous... XD

No one could ever be bored with her around. XD

Good Arceus, where do I even begin to comment...

First off, I think you really hit the nail on the head about Kalas/Xelha, Skyraptor. I just love how you said that Xelha "has a deep, dark, and naked sort of humanness hidden somewhere in her soul that she is utterly aware of and that she must see in Kalas, hence the 'two of a kind' bit." I knew there was something else that connected the two, but I wasn't quite sure how to put it. ^_^

As a side note, if you had mentioned the Heroine along with Colette and Fina, Skyraptor, you would've just listed the three characters I have as Xelha's "lookalikes" :P In some ways though, the Heroine is more like Xelha than Fina or Colette (being more than just a damsel in distress for instance. She is kidnapped once, but she allowed herself to in order to save that one city and the Hero).

And after all this Savyna/Gibari talk, I'm really starting to like the pairing now. ^^ I never gave it much thought before, but reading what the rest of you have to say about it is making me see things differently between those two. I think the relationship can work out, though I also agree that they would probably never get married. However, that means I'll have to nickname a male Persian Gibari. I can't imagine Savyna as a Garchomp. *Shot*

As for Lyude/Xelha, I think it also isn't impossible. If Kalas weren't around, then I could see it happening. However, Xelha is dedicated and I there doesn't seem to be any indication that Lyude likes Xelha in that way.

For Kalas/Melodia, I can see where people get it from, but I don't see it happening. Perhaps Melodia has feelings for him, but as Skyraptor said, there would be too many bad memories surrounding her, even if it really wasn't her fault. I don't think she'd be able to support him, not the way Xelha could, anyway.

Lyude/Mizuti? I imagine that's as probable as Lyude/Melodia (or maybe slightly more). :P Not possible now, that's for sure. Maybe once Mizuti mature. And he would certainly never be bored around her. XD

I wished I posted earlier...everything else I wanted to say on these topics has already been said. Everything here is kind of choppy. :P

Things have been kind of slow lately in the BK section, have you noticed? Maybe it's just because I got out of school in May and the rest of the world is still taking finals. :p

Yay, Strawberry hath joined our merry discussion group. (Jesters we may be, but together we are the wisest of kings.)

Thanks! (*Is happy she actually made a sensible point*) I came up with a few other obscure similarities Xelha might have been referring to regarding her and Kalas, but I can't remember them now. All I know is that they weren't as deep as what I mentioned before about their base humanness, but they were probably what BK's makers were thinking along the lines of. I'd like to think their connection was really that deep, though; it makes their relationship and her dedication to him all the more concrete.

I don't know who Heroine is, but I can tell that her creators had to put a lot of thought into her name. :) I've known Fina for ages (SoA was my first RPG) and I've always liked her, but partly because I happen to be a really shy blonde girl too, and my mother is more like Colette. What game is Heroine from? The only "real" anime RPGs I've played are SoA, ToS, BK, Lost Kingdoms (sort of anime-ish, I guess), Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy XII (SoA ripoff!), Final Fantasy Tactics, and Final Fantasy VII. The only ones I've actually finished are the first five, though I know how the others end anyway.

God, I haven't played Pokemon in ages; I just barely knew what you were referring to. I think most people tend to shunt a pairing aside because they assume that the pairing is in the context of the usual romance-marriage-sex-2.5 kids vein that they are so used to-- and usually they are, but it's interesting how not even the writers of the pairing consider the benefits of an unorthodox or platonic (with no kissing in some cases) romance. Even yuri and yaoi follow the same general layouts (romance-possible fretting over sexual identity-sex-more sex-possibly marriage), but I almost never see a homosexual fanfic in which all the couple in question does is platonically involve themselves in each other's lives in a genuinely loving way. Then again, this is fanfiction, and if fans want to see red hot f*cking of any orientation, so be it.

The more I try to grasp the concept of Lyude/Mizuti, the faster it slips away and flies straight over my head. I don't remember much if any interaction between the two of them, and she's so young--both in age and mentality. To me, this one's more of a crack pairing, although I have seen Lyude/Mizuti Japanese fanart of the cutesy kind. Is it just me, or does Mizuti remind you a little of Noodle from the Gorillaz? I was listening to "Dare" when I found myself thinking of her.

On a random note (and speaking of weird associations) I apparently had a strange dream about Xelha last night because I keep getting funny vibes everytime I look at her. Anyone else get those too when you have a dream about someone? I think it had something to do with The Tempest, because I suddenly want to call her "Miranda."

HURRAY! CONVERTED!

...garchomp? o_O Yeah, I can't see her as one of those either. Though I must question you making Gibari a purple dinosaur. I do understand your choice of Persian, though, since awhile ago I was thinking of doing a Golden Compass-esque daemon type fic, where the wings of the heart manefested as daemons. Kalas, of course, had the Spirit in a ghostly orb form, since he only had one wing... Xelha's daemon was actually the ocean, which I made a consious being. Gibari had a "ornery and battered-looking" cloudgull, Mizuti's hadn't settled yet, although it liked the form of a sugar glider, Savyna had a panther, and Lyude (after a brief period of confusion in which poor Adelante was trying to find him, since he doesn't have wings) had a long-legged dog-coyote hybrid that looked sort of like a greyhoud mixed with an Ahfgan hound. So yeah, long story made short, she does make sense with a cat. Creepy silent walking and all that.

Yeah, but at least BK doesn't really have that problem. *twitches at other fandom* My other obsessive pairing (RoyAi, Roy Mustang/Riza Hawkeye) is about two military officers that have a sort of bloody, angsty dedication love that's sort of... wordless. I can't see them doing a cliched love confession because they'd already know. And people have them having hot sex in the freaking OFFICE, and they make Hawkeye into a SOBBING WUSS and they make Roy a DICK and and and.... *pants for breath* they're secretly MARRIED SOMEHOW and and and... *twitch*

Best way I can describe it, I guess, is that some people compare them to Muller and Scully from X-files. I kinda disagree, though- I mean, I see where they're coming from, but...

Problem with larger fandoms is that there is plenty of any pairing, but most of it sucks. So you get to watch the characters being bastardized instead. _

Tempest? PSI TEMPEST IS MY FAVORITE ATTACK.

Wow, this reply is so late in coming... but Strawberry's little speech on the z6.invisionfree boards kind of motivated me to sit down and write. So, here goes. If this post is too long, please don't hurt me. ^_^'

Xelha's a damned interesting character, probably more so than her creators imagined or fans of the game give her credit for.

Yeah, she really doesn't get enough credit. I'll admit, the first time I played the game, when I was on the first disk still, I didn't care for Xelha. I figured that she WOULD be another Colette, and I promptly ignored her in favor of Kalas' more interesting character. I wasn't familiar with a character of Kalas' kind so I was busy watching him. It was only after I actually got to play as Xelha that I began to appreciate her. And with each subsequent replay of the game, I like Xelha even more. She's a really great, strong character, and I always love to see how she interacts with Kalas.

While I'm thinking about it, I also have a question to pose. Who is the real hero of EWatLO? Is it Kalas, Xelha, or you, the Guardian Spirit? Kalas is obviously the main character, since you get to run around and play as him, but is he truly the hero? He only wants to save the world after he's done his part to help destroy it, so I would see he's that stereotype, the "anti-hero." And what about Xelha? Is she the hero? Well, considering the fact that she spent the entire game trying to save the world (and Kalas), I would say that she is the hero of the game. And what about the Guardian Spirit? I always liked the ending bit of the game, where Kalas said that I came to their world searching for something. In a way, I too was an extremely important part of the plot.

Anyways, I just brought that up because I think it's fascinating that the main character and the hero be two different people, as this isn't always the case in video games. The hero is almost always the main character. Baten Kaitos is unique this way. ^_^

Moving on now...

I think there's a lot about Xelha that we don't know and we may never know because of this. She has a deep, dark, and naked sort of humanness hidden somewhere in her soul that she is utterly aware of and that she must see in Kalas, hence the "two of a kind" bit.

This in particular strikes a chord in me because Larikush once described Kalas as being "excessively human." I believe you're right in saying that there is a dark, naked sort of humanness in her soul. Xelha is deep. Haha.

To reply to Fan's earlier statement, Kalas and Xelha's relationship will probably be stable if Kalas not only learns to appreciate what Xelha's done for him, but learns to see in her the hidden similarities she saw in him, and tries to become what she became to him. I'd like to think he'd be the clever boy that he is and do that, because his happiness depends on it as well as hers, but you never know...

I do think that Kalas will come to his senses and recognize all that Xelha went through to save him. I think he had already realized this by the time the Victory Banquet came around, hence his surprisingly emotional reaction to losing Xelha. He seems like he really cares about her, like he's loyal to her or something. When she says that she must release the Ocean, he replies, "But if I do that, Xelha, then what will happen to you?" He doesn't want to lose her, for some reason or another, but probably love.

And you know, the more we delve into the characters of Kalas and Xelha, I realize all the mistakes I made in Sincerely Yours. At the time, I thought that I was doing pretty well with their characterizations. Now I know that Xelha wouldn't have acted that way. Kalas might have (though in some parts I admit I went overboard) but certainly not Xelha.

Interesting thoughts, I never noticed how far she went to cover her own angsty past and back up Kalas.

Yes, which is why Xelha is such an emotionally strong character. She kept just as many secrets as everyone else. She had suspicions about Kalas, she was the Ice Queen, she housed the Ocean... I think that any one of those would be enough for most normal people. And other characters had only one or two secrets. Mizuti was a Child of the Earth (and a girl XD), and Savyna was Lady Death... Then again, Kalas was like Xelha in that he had several big secrets that he had to keep from the others. He had to watch his step all the time. He couldn't let them know that he was in cahoots with Melodia and that he was determined to help her release Malpercio. Also, he had to keep it a secret that he was the one who let their End Magnus get away in Mira. Kalas had to be strong, too, but for a different cause. Both Kalas and Xelha are strong characters, but the difference is that Kalas is strong because he's stubborn and determined and fueled by immature desires.

Always liked Sheena, Zelos, Kratos, and Raine more in that game, anyhow. Come to think of it, it's kind of like Zelos hides his angst to allow a great deal of angsting on Sheena's part, while Zelos ends up as the comic relief.

I agree with you, except I never cared for Sheena, and Kratos was ruined for me by the fangirls. My favorite characters were Zelos, Colette, and Raine. Yes, yes, Colette is like the anti-Xelha, but I liked Colette because the "sacrificial lamb" aspect of her fascinated me. I always wondered whether her motive for accepting her fate as the Chosen was pure altruism, or whether she secretly really wanted to die...

I think the main reason why Baten Kaitos tends to get panned in favor of ToS is because it came out in ToS's shadow and wasn't as hyped, thus fewer people gave it any regard. I'm just lucky I happened to pick it up one day.

I agree... At the time, most people were really into Tales of Symphonia. The ToS fanfiction was started up in 2004, while BK came in 2005... Most people were busy playing and writing Tales of Symphonia, methinks. Too bad that BK had to get overshadowed like that...

The reason I got Baten Kaitos was I liked the picture of Kalas on the front cover. XD It was epic. I remember seeing that picture of him on the back of some video game magazine one time and thinking, 'Hey, I should try that game, it looks cool.' When I saw it in a store, I got my older sister to help me buy it. She still hasn't played it, but... I'm kind of a rabid fan. Heh.

Anyways, reading what you guys have been saying about Savyna and Gibari, I mostly agree. I think that those two would be highly compatible. And the more I play the game, the more I feel like those two were kind of drawn to each other. In the beginning and in a few of the important cutscenes, Gibari was the one to be nice and understanding to her. He asked her about her past and didn't judge her for her past... I think he's just the guy Savyna needs to move on. But in your post, Skyraptor, I saw something that caught my attention.

("Don't get too close to anyone" is what they usually beat into their heads at those kinds of assassin/Green Beret-esque factions. What happened with you, Sheena? Savyna would've slaughtered that little blonde lamb, and in a shorter amount of time too. But then we wouldn't have much of a story, would we?)

You know... at first glance, that seems like it might be true, right? We always imagine Savyna as being the cold-blooded killer, so it's easy to think that she would kill Colette in the blink of an eye. But then again... what about the time when she saw Kalas and Fee escaping from their house? She stood by when she could have killed them. Now, I understand that Kalas' circumstances and Colette's circumstances were completely different, but I'd still like to try to make the point that at that point in the game, Savyna was starting to question her old ways of merciless killing.

It kinda confuses me how people always compare Sheena and Savyna, because Sheena is actually much more like Lyude.

LOL, YEAH. SORT OF.

Xelha and Savyna's clothing may be the strangest in BK, but at least they're consistent with the odd clothing styles of the general populace (like Anuenue, whose kids look like green marshmallows or ducklings).

Yes, this is another thing I love about the Baten Kaitos games. It's jus so... not normal. It really does feel like you're in another world when you're playing, and it feels like the main characters are a part of the world. In so many video games, the main characters have these snazzy characters designs and all the NPCs are just sprites copied over and over the exact same way throughout the world, except maybe the color of their nondescript smocks are blue instead of red in some places. o_o

I can see them getting old together, but, yet again, marriage and/or sex just seems like a bit of a stretch. I had the same views about the Kratos/Raine pairing, which I supported whole-heartedly provided that Kratos never had to leave at the end.

I agree. Marriage and/or sex does seem like a bit of a stretch. I can imagine Kalas and Xelha getting married... and maybe Lyude and whoever he gets with... but not Savyna and Gibari.

And since you mentioned it, I despise Kratos/Raine. XD THIS MIGHT CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR TOS. Anyways, I felt like Kratos wasn't even starting to get over his relationship with Anna at the end of the game; there was no real strong indication to me that he wanted to move on or was trying to. So it really bugged me when the fangirls ganged up and threw Raine at him because she might be compatible with him and screamed, "But he NEEDS someone to love!" ...No. Just, no. When he's ready for a new relationship, then he'll open up a bit more. But until he's finished honoring Anna's memory and coming terms with being Lloyd's father, I don't think he should be thrown together with Raine. And they always make him so forward in those fics! It bothers me.

Oh... wow. I have to get ready for work now, so I'll finishing responding when I come back tonight. o_o As if this post isn't long enough already...

I'm feeling lazy, so I'll only reply to the stuff I feel the need to reply to.

About Kalas/Xelha and humanness: When Xelha said that she and Kalas were "two of a kind," Larikush's statement was the first thing that popped into my head. It was then that I became an official Kalas/Xelha fangirl. :)

About Savyna being a "killer": I forgot all about her letting Kalas and Fee escape, actually. (*is PWNed*) I guess that I was thinking of her in comparison to Sheena a little too much. I never cared much for Sheena either. (*is a Colloyd fan*) Something about Sheena just didn't rub me the right way, and I think it's because she was the character that was practically designed so that players would like her if Colette didn't meet their tastes. I don't know if the creators of BK ever tried the same thing at one point, but the characters are so diverse and so...individualist that I doubt it. I give them props for that too.

About Kratos/Raine: Hahaha...XD Good thing I'm not so much of a ToS fangirl anymore. Yes, I hated how the fangirls shoved Raine on him like that too. (You should've seen my little speeches on the KXR board where I tried to convince them that this was psychologically incorrect; some listened...some.) I saw them as just a pair of close friends who would talk about stuff for the therapy of it and then maybe form a genuine relationship after a few years, but like Gibari/Savyna, it would be a gentle and slow sort of process. I still supported it though. :) 'Course, Kratos did leave, so no matter how you take it, it's extremely unlikely.

I need to go give Xelha a hug. We're both a bit depressed with all of the Xelha-bashing we've found all over the place.

Yeah I cut you off, didn't I? Just ignore me then. :P

Yeah, true, Fan, but I personally think that if it was Colette she would have been dead before there was even a chance for something to mess up, since Savyna's... efficiant... like that. I dunno. It's possible that she'd go the same route as Sheena, I guess, but it's a lot smaller of a chance. But good point, I hadn't considered that.

Honestly? I liked Sheena because she's kind of indecisive, pathetic and cowardly, which is kind of unconventional in a game for a 'kickass' ninja character. Her title of 'Chicken' made me laugh. And what you say might be true, since I didn't like Colette at first. Then again, she had no personality at first.

Her altruism is believable, unlike Lloyd's. Instead of "Eff the world, I'm gonna have my cake and eat it, too!" she's more of a "Is there a way to save everyone? I want there to be. There has to be. Because the world is a good place, right?"

But again, she's nowhere near as interesting as Savyna is. Sorry Sheena. You're not that interesting.

I honestly never liked KXR at all. I considered it. Once. In Triet. Then I considered who Kratos most likely was. Reconsidered and decided it wouldn't work. I see them as loose friends, though probably Kratos' closest friend. Then again, I also don't like Gesea because it seems onesided, and Presea is defiantly not ready for anything. Plus, I think Genis only likes her 'cause she's cute.

Then again, I always saw Raine and Regal as just friends as well. I always saw Raine getting together with another half-elf from Exire, if at all. Though obviously not staying there, I think Raine has issues with staying in one place. She's kinda restless in her quest for knowledge.

Don't get me started on Regal/Presea. Gaah. The psychological inaccuracy, it burns!

I honestly don't like a lot of TOS pairings. Mostly Sheelos, but Colette and Lloyd are so stupid (meaning naive) they deserve each other. XD

Has anyone noticed that a lot of the series BK fans love psychology? Haha, funny. Might just be a writer's thing, though.

I'm going to finish commenting on the rest of the board, and then I'm going to reply to you guys, okay?

I was just reading through my last post, by the way, and I realized that I was only half-coherent while writing it. XD

Basically, I agree with what you guys said about Xelha/Lyude, that it's plausible, but not probable. Skyraptor made a good point about how Xelha's too dedicated to Kalas during the game to pay much attention to Lyude. Though, I will say that she always acted very gently toward Lyude, defending him against Kalas and listening to him vent and such.

As for Kalas/Melodia, while I support and love the pairing, I will admit that I don't think they're very compatible. They are definitely not the best for each other. They probably wouldn't work for the same reason Savyna/Lyude or Savyna/Azdar might be awkward: just being around each other would bring back horrible memories of the acts they committed. Yet however bad for each other they might be, I still believe that Kalas and Melodia do have feelings for each other. Whether they are romantic, platonic, or love/hate isn't too clear in the game, but there is something there.

Oh, and before I forget, here's something interesting to think about: in the English, Melodia calls Kalas, "her dear Kalas." Apparently, in Japanese this is "oniisan" or "older brother." (However, I haven't gotten to this part yet myself, so I haven't been able to verify it.) I've heard some say that this is because of their respective connections to Sagi and Milly, since the two are supposedly Melodia's parents and Sagi's heartflask was supposedly the beginnings of Kalas, but Melodia may have just looked up to Kalas or called him "brother" out of respect. I'm a little hesitant to draw any conclusions, but it's certainly something to think about.

Lyude/Mizuti?

Haha, I've always wondered where this pairing came from. I suppose they... could... work...

But I don't see either of them as being interested in the other that way.

And... I think that's all. Man, I love this topic. XD

About Savyna being a "killer": I forgot all about her letting Kalas and Fee escape, actually. (*is PWNed*)

Actually, I have something to say now that might PWN me. x_X I was just playing through the part of the game where you meet Azdar in Nihal Desert, and Savyna said something that really caught my attention. She was talking about how Azha was kind of the last straw for her, in terms of killing, and that she came to this realization in Mira after letting Kalas and Fee escape. She was saying that she would never have trouble killing ("that part of me will never change"), but that she wouldn't be able to murder the innocent and defenseless. So whether or not Savyna would kill Colette really depends on what stage she's at emotionally. Before Azha, she would without a question. During the game, I don't think she would unless she thought that Colette deserved to die or could put up a good fight. But I think after the game, she wouldn't kill her at all.

And ugh... Kratos/Raine... I always thought that the Professor was too suspicious to give Kratos a chance at friendship. I think that she would turn to Regal for that kind of relationship sooner than she would Kratos. And even Regal seems like a stretch to me. I think that the two characters to which Raine is closest are Genis and Lloyd. So, in my opinion, she'd go after the son waaay before she'd go after the father. :/ And as for Kratos, as I've already said, I don't think he's over Anna yet.

Reading over Ruin's comments has made me realize something new... You know what? Sheena reminds me of Milly. XD They're both kind of weak, pathetic, and not what you expected them to be. Suffice to say, I never liked either character.

Colette's "the world is a good place, right?" ideology always appealed to me. Well, actually, it didn't appeal to me -- it fascinated me. Which is why she's my third favorite ToS character.

I have absolutely no opinion on Gesea, as I've never given the pairing any thought.

Basically, the only ToS pairing I DO like and support is Zelos/Colette. Hehehe.

That's what I was thinking, since they did fight Sheena and defeat her. I'm not sure Savyna would have as much of a problem asasinating someone that could seriously fight back, with angel powers and all that stuff.

Yeah, that's kinda true, isn't it? People pair Zelos and Raine, which amuses me because it's like Ultimate!PessimismLove. :P Also, it seems like Raine ought to be older than Zelos, but she isn't. o_O

Eh, I liked both. Never cared for Guillo that much, though, of all the main characters. So what does that say about me?

Yeah, but Colette can get away with it because she ignores the bad parts of life, or else thinks people are confused. Lloyd sees it and like, obliterates it. o_O

I do think that would be interesting, since they're the only two that can truly understand each other. My main problem with it is the ultimate optimist VS ultimate pessimist factor, and how she's kinda clueless to a lot of the stuff he says.

On Melodia and Kalas... that's interesting. What's the real dialogue for "my dear, sweet Malpercio..."? I hope that's not onii-san, too. o_O So the Japanese think Heartflask+Toilet Water=Blue-haired Baby?

I'm not sure Savyna would have as much of a problem asasinating someone that could seriously fight back, with angel powers and all that stuff.

True, but knowing Colette, do you think she would even try to fight back?

...And isn't Raine like a super old half-elf? ...Wait, OHHHH.

What do you mean you "never cared for Guillo that much"!? You are the first person I've ever heard say that. How darest thou! But seriously, what's not to love about Guillo?

I don't know what "dear, sweet Malpercio" would be because I haven't gotten that far yet. Speaking of which, I should go post another video or something soon.

So the Japanese think Heartflask+Toilet Water=Blue-haired Baby?

XD I think the toilet water theory is purely an American thing.

...Oh my gosh, magna mixing! Heartflask + Stagnant Water = Magnus of Life fetus!!!

Good question. But she knows how to, right? If she doesn't, it;s her own fault... right? I'm honestly not sure. XD

...what? She's a year younger than Zelos, right?

I dunno, I just never took a particular liking to him.

Huh, be sure and let me know. My brother's almost done replaying, so I've been hearing a lot of stuff while typing.

LAWL, maybe.

GASP! A NEW RECEPIE! SHOW IT TO THE WONDER CHEF!

Hmm... That's a good point. But do you remember Sagi's encounter with Nasca? How, after you beat him the first time, he's all like, "Fight me! C'mon, fight me!" I chose the option not to fight him, and Sagi told him... how about not. I think Savyna vs. Colette might go something like that. Except Savyna wouldn't be a noob like Nasca.

I don't remember the character ages for that game. XD Sorry. Nevermind me.

I wonder what form the Wonder Chef would take in the Baten Kaitos world? I would laugh so hard... if he were a fake End Magnus.

I fought him and beat him up. :D *violent*

Yeah, that seems pretty likely.

LAWL, That would be awesome. Or maybe a Prancer.

"Hey, let's take this Prancer to Kaffaljidhma!"

*BOING*

"SURPRISE!!!"

Da da da da da da!

You learned how to make Peef Jerky!

XD I think the toilet water theory is purely an American thing.

*is American* *waves*

...Oh my gosh, magna mixing! Heartflask + Stagnant Water = Magnus of Life fetus!!!

OH SHI-

I HAVE TO DO THIS NAO

FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZORZ

FEEZORZ. :D Such a cute kid.

But his magna mixing recipe was probably this instead:

Heartflask + Pristine Water = Magnus of Life fetus

Only the best for the Divine Child. :D

(...Ruin and I have similar icons now. Keep it, Ruin, keep it!)

Duh, everyone know you get Drinking Water out of a toilet. XD

Lawl, I am keeping it, for awhile. I get bored of avatars quick, though.

It's clear, at least? XD

*snuggles Geldoicon* ...I might make a crazy stupid one, just to see how people react. XD *looks for random screenshots*

That's a spoiler tho, that's kinda mean.

Oh motherfucking crap it is. D: D: D: *edits*

I suck, don't I? XD

Not like Geldoblame you don't. Keep trying.

*hands lollipop*

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