Farewell, my Final Fantasy 7 remake... ;.;

Well, not as much those three systems. I know diddly-squat about the DS so I won't say anything about it. :)

i was really annoyed when they decided to make Reverant Wings for the DS..

You can also watch movies so it serves more like a theatre instead of a game console. :)

The DS, however...I really can't fing a redeeming quality for it from what I've seen. :(

I love Clorith, but I don't mind Cloti. :)

The thing is that Tifa wants to be with Cloud but he doesn't seem to notice. His mind is in the clouds (excuse the pun).

They're better off as friends, seeing as Cloud seems to think of her as a pal rather than a lover.

I shall battle to the ends of the earth for my beliefs!!!

... Just not at 12:51 a.m. after pulling an all-nighter yesterday.

Tomorrow (or rather today) I shall continue this.

It's great that you will support with your Cloti beliefs, but please, no bashing of other characters or being rude to Cloriths. We Cloriths shall listen to your opinions kindly. ^_^

I'm happy to listen to the Clorith side of the city too... I just feel like CloTi's are underrepresented on the forums :P

I hated it when the Cloriths were all like "OMG Tifa is such a HO!!!11!" while the other side went "OMG Aeris is a **!!111!". Luckily that time has passed. :D

I'm sure if they finally showed themselves they wouldn't ruin the peace, but I suppose I will state my opinion here. Which is that CloTi is my OTP, but I can respect it if you prefer Clorith.

There was a lot of bashing in the past, but it's nice that that's all over and done with.

I found Tifa to be a bit annoying too, always wanting to follow you everywhere and using the promise thing, I mean at leaset Aeries only meantioned the bodyguarding thing like twice not 1000 times!

Tifa didn't use the promise as blackmail (and she only did ever use it to convince Cloud to do something once, which was to get him to stick with AVALANCHE, unless my memory serves me incorrectly), she was just reminding Cloud of their past together and so that she could watch over him secretly, because she sensed the difference in him (that being the Zack-ness in him) and she could tell that there was something wrong with him.

And before you accuse Tifa of wheedling Cloud into doing things because of the promise, she reminded him of the promise no more than Aerith reminded Cloud of his being her bodyguard.

Tif'a limit break where awesome, but it was completely based on your reflexes and luck. Ouch. Aeries's limit 4 break was just plain awesome!

Both Limit Breaks are incredibly useful in different situations- one being a great way to deal massive damage, the other being a great way to heal up. I personally used both equally often, but I prefer Tifa's just because somehow Cloud always had higher magic power for me than Aerith. (Could be their differing levels- I didn't use Aerith or Tifa that much, actually, my preferred party was Cloud, Red XIII, and Vincent.)

i prefer Cloud with Aeris... I think that they would have been great together. I mean She's a healer, and he needs healing... a lot... I thought it was cute how they were standing back to back in the flower field. A lot of people were ** because AC only showed like a quater of her face and you didn't get to see what she looked like untill the end. But i still prefer her character over tifa's. I mean, Aeris saves the world TWICE. She deserves some nookie...

Cloud certainly does need taking care of, but I believe that can be found in Tifa. She has even more reason to look out for Cloud, since she knows what's truly wrong with him and she's looking out for his well-being as well, because she cares so deeply for him.

Aerith does save the world twice, and I daresay that's an incredible feat. Everyone owes Aeris a lot, Cloud and Tifa included, but I don't think her saving the world automatically makes Clorith work out.

I couldn't agree with you more luv, but even tho i've seen the AC movie and i believe that cloud could be with whomever he wishes to be with... a lot of fangirls believe so adamantly that cloud belongs to tifa.

I suppose this is directed at people like me :P But I just wanted to say that while I do strongly believe in CloTi, Clorith supporters aren't in the wrong at all.

if it were cloud/ aeris. square wouldn't have killed aeris..

that is why i conclude that tifa and cloud are meant to be together..

Like I said, I'm a CloTi but I certainly don't believe that if Square killed off Aerith that it automatically means Clorith couldn't possibly be what Square was aiming for. This kind of reasoning is what I suppose give CloTi's a bad rep, but I don't want to offend you, CLEAO. I'm just saying that there are more definitive reasons as to why a pairing is preferable.

Another words, just because two people grew up together doesn't necessarily mean that they will or should love each other romantically. Loyalty will always be a bond, but it doesn't have to extend any further than that. There's a lot more to it than that.

Of course not. Growing up together helps build a strong relationship for the future, but in no way does it guarantee love or if the relationship will work out. My personal stance is that Cloud and Tifa's relationship had that strength in addition to their childhood crushes on each other and their budding love.

Gotta go with Cloud/Aeris on this one, I mean, she cared for Cloud and everything while Tifa used her goshdarn promise to make Cloud work for AVALANCHE.

Oh yeah, about the Aeris/Zack thing, well, in the movie she only walked away and Zack followed her. Nothing else. It's not like she looked at him romantically or hugged him or anything.

Wild Fantasy, you do make some good points. Although like I said above, Tifa was only trying to get Cloud to stick with AVALANCHE so she could keep an eye on him because she cared about it. And before anybody gets all angry at Tifa for "hiding Cloud's real past", at the time when she was convincing him to stick with AVALANCHE, she hadn't articulated what was up with Cloud, so that was just purely her looking out for him. Later on, I won't pretend that Tifa not informing Cloud of what really happened at Nibelheim wasn't wrong, but I think it was just her trying to protect him and his fragile state of mind.

If Cloti was made canon, I wouldn't care because it has the same gag-enducing fairytale ending where the girl always gets the guy. I mean, I know they face a few problems, but porbably in the end they will get together. I don't support it because it is the usual happy ending. Cloris is more of a dramatic love that tragically ended. Thus, "a love that could never be".

I wouldn't find it gag-enducing, I think it's sweet ^^ But to each his (her, really) own. And I find that they had more than just "a few problems", and if they could work it out and get together, that'd be a satisfying ending to a troubled relationship that wasn't all daisies and fluff and giggling girls secretly praying a guy will look her way. Cloud and Tifa have been through too much together for their relationship to be like that. I'd also like to say that Aerith is in fact more of a stereotypical choice for a guy like Cloud. Brooding fellow picks cheery, pink, happy white mage. No, not saying there's anything wrong with Aerith (I feel like I keep having to say that because I know what I say comes off like I don't like her, which isn't true :P) but that Tifa in comparison to Aerith is less stereotypical "princess with handsome prince". Finally, if Aerith's death (and thus, the tragic appeal of Clorith) is what makes Clorith appeal more to you, had Tifa died would you have liked CloTi better?

Either side, really. I don't like the XBox too much but I also don't really like the PS3 either.

I have to put my two cents in: I love my PS3 and I really don't think the XBOX 360 has much to offer. The PS3 has an impressive line of upcoming games, plus Blu-Ray compatibility and some truly excellent graphics. PS2's have served the world well, too, and there's no doubt they're a fantastic console, but I find the PS3 much better.

I personally love Cloud and Aeris/Aerith I think Tifa hasn't found the right guy yet. Cloud always seems to hurt her :'( Anyways question. Square Enix could have given their characters any star sign they wanted right? So then why if Tifa and Cloud are meant to be together why did they make them enemy ((can't spell)) star signs? Then make Cloud and Aerith love signs? Not really love but Aqua's tend to get along with Leo's cause they both love each others personality.

Tifa's right guy is Cloud, and though he does do things to hurt her once in awhile, it's not his fault (just too thickheaded) and she's willing to forgive him because she loves him. They'd only be minor obstacles in what could truly be a wonderful romance. Don't tell me Cloud wouldn't hurt Aerith accidentally with his bluntness or denseness either. And as for star signs, it depends on which site you're looking at, really, when it comes to horoscopic compatibility. But I won't get that nitpicky about finer details like who's better for whom astrologically.

In any case, according to astrology both cases would have their ups and downs.

They're better off as friends, seeing as Cloud seems to think of her as a pal rather than a lover.

Cloud just doesn't seem to like her in that way.

A lot of people put up that Cloud's feelings for Tifa are purely platonic, but truly, while Cloud does have a deep bond of friendship with Tifa, there is no rock solid proof that his feelings stop there. It runs deeper and Cloud does have his moments where it would appear that his feelings for Tifa are far more than platonic, just like he has his moments with Aerith.

Damn you, Square, for making this so complicated! :P

Okay, that's about it. This has been a fairly long reply, but I've contested some other points in various other topics, so I think this is about it, or at least I responded to every Clorith point I could find.

Now, I want to make this explicitly clear: I do NOT mind Clorith, I LIKE Aerith, and I have no problems if you ship Clorith. I merely like to argue Clorith points sportingly, and I hope you can understand that while I love CloTi, I'm not out here to change everyone's views. You can respond or you don't have to, but please, don't take this as me hating Clorith's, because truly, I don't.

Happy reading, folks.

Bleh. I'm more of a CloTi fan than a Clorith fan, and I still despise that argument. It's just a ridiculous notion in general. Even if I don't prefer Clorith, it would hardly be the first time a character who was in love with/loved by the main hero/heroine was killed. Anyway, that aside, just a few points I felt like commenting on (Whether or not I'm debating CloTi vs. Clorith in the point is another matter):

I mean, Aeris saves the world TWICE. She deserves some nookie...

Well, she hasn't really saved the world on her own. It's kind of like when people say that Cloud beat Sephiroth in the Northern Crater (The physical battle, not the one in the Lifestream), or that Squall beat Ultimecia. Yes, they were involved in it, but they didn't really do so on their own. If Sephiroth wasn't defeated in VII, it's not likely that Aerith would have been able to stop Meteor, especially if Sephiroth continued absorbing the Lifestream and the souls residing in it (The same souls she convinced to help stop Meteor) as he was a short time before.

And if we're counting her actions in AC, then it was still a team effort. If Cloud hadn't killed Sephiroth, she probably wouldn't be able to overpower his will (He is said to have the most powerful will in FFVII), and had she not healed Cloud, he may not have been able to defeat Sephiroth (Though even then, Sephiroth's defeat was more due to his own arrogance than Cloud). And if he had defeated Sephiroth without Aerith's aid, her intervention might not have even been necessary aside from helping to relieve Cloud's guilt (After all, Geostigma still exists at the time of DoC, it just isn't "active" without Sephiroth controlling it).

I couldn't agree with you more luv, but even tho i've seen the AC movie and i believe that cloud could be with whomever he wishes to be with... a lot of fangirls believe so adamantly that cloud belongs to tifa.

A lot of fangirls also believe he belongs to Tifa. And Yuffie. And Sephiroth, which was strangely close to the truth before his breakthrough in the Lifestream, seeing as he was basically Seph's puppet and could very well belong to him from a certain viewpoint. Anyway, my point is just that fangirls seem to adamantly believe quite a few things regarding pairings. Sometimes plausible, sometimes completely ridiculous.

They're better off as friends, seeing as Cloud seems to think of her as a pal rather than a lover. Cloud just doesn't seem to like her in that way.

The problem being that the same could be said for Aerith. He rarely shows anything towards her that doesn't apply to friendship just as much as romantic interest, and when he shows anything else it's usually guilt that he couldn't protect her like in AC, which also applies to Zack, Tifa, Marlene, Denzel, and anyone else he can't/couldn't protect. And that's excluding the fact that, during most of FFVII, he was suffering from identity confusion issues because he had a mixture of his real memories, Aerith's former boyfriend's memories/stories, and his own ideal vision of himself. Meaning that how many of his actions were influenced by Zack's traits and how many were influenced by his own traits isn't especially clear.

Now, I want to make this explicitly clear: I do NOT mind Clorith, I LIKE Aerith, and I have no problems if you ship Clorith. I merely like to argue Clorith points sportingly, and I hope you can understand that while I love CloTi, I'm not out here to change everyone's views. You can respond or you don't have to, but please, don't take this as me hating Clorith's, because truly, I don't.

Same here. Don't mind Clorith, like Aerith, have nothing against Clorith supporters...Excluding the crazy ones who insist that it's right, canon, and that it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks just because they say so. But then, I don't tend to like it when anyone acts that way about a pairing. Unless the pairing actually is canon, and even then it's annoying when they're jerks about it, whether you support the pairing or not.

For one thing, Tifa brought up the promise so that Cloud would stay and work for Avalanche because she was worried about him. She tells you that later in the game. It's not like she did it because she wanted him to protect her and solve all her problems, and she wasn't flirting with him like Aerith was.

Tifa never forced Cloud into anything. If you remember, Cleriths, the promise was very important to Cloud before he got Zacked-up. He valued the promise and had every intention of keeping it. And he did. Cloud and Tifa's promise together is a beautiful thing. It changes as their relationship does.

We don't know if Aerith and Zack will be together or not in their weird little Lifestreamy way. There's obviously a reason why she keeps him around. She's the one that keeps him there, not Cloud, even though Zack was another person he wanted forgiveness from. Putting him in AC means that the whole argument about Cloud being bent out of shape solely about Aerith is untrue. Cloud felt guilty about basically stealing Zack's life, and about the fact that he couldn't do anything to save him when Zack had looked out for him. The guy practically carried Cloud to Midgar, fought off the Shinra soldiers persuing them, and died to protect Cloud. Like someone in another thread so rightly put it, he's mourning his failures, his inability to protect what he cherishes, not just Aerith.

What's this "a love that can never be" stuff? I hope you guys aren't implying that Cloud and Aerith were in love before she died or anything. We all know that's not true. If she was, then she loved a copy of her past love, Zack. Sure, if Cloud and Aerith would have been shown to have been deeply in love, then they would have appeal a a tragic couple. But they weren't, and they don't. Aerith and Zack are the tragic couple of Final Fantasy VII. Zack obviously planned on going back to Aerith, and I doubt Aerith would have minded that, either. Yeah, I'm being sarcastic. Zack died, and Aerith never even knew it until years later. How sad is that? She pined for him for two freaking years, if I'm not mistaken, writing him letter after letter. That's love. I'm not saying Aerith doesn't have feelings for Cloud, but she felt strongly for Zack, and she and Cloud never get to know each other, really. I hate it when Cleriths say that because she says it wasn't serious, that it really wasn't. It obvious that she was really messed up about it. Her mother pretty much tells Cloud to back off, because she doesn't want Aerith to get hurt again. Anyway, Cloud and Aerith still barely know each when she dies. I remember someone talking about an FF7 video that flashed a message 'a love that could never be'. That was a commercial. Commercials, especially back then, mixed scenes together and changed things in order to present the game a certain way. There would be no love triangle, and Cloud would be a cheater if that were true. The game would have been about their love affair, and then Cloud moving on with Tifa. They wouldn't have bothered with the flip-flopping.

Um, it sure wouldn't be much of a love triangle if Cloud didn't have romantic feeling for Tifa. Come off it, ok? I don't know how anyone could think that Cloud doesn't like Tifa when he shows these feelings just as much as with Aerith. More, actually. So if Tifa is a platonic friend then Aerith is a casual aquaintance. It's just a biased thing to say, really. Besides, the developers, and Cloud both say he's happy with Tifa post FF7, and added to the fact that Cloud most certainly does view Tifa in a romantic light, you do the math.

How is Aerith any more of a healer than Tifa? Just because it's the only thing she's good for in battle, huh? Restore materia.. Hehe. Tifa helps Cloud more than Aerith does, and she has more of a healing effect on him. Even in Aerith's crowning moment in AC, she comes in after Tifa had motivated Cloud into taking action at long last and it's basically a "duh" kind of moment, a kind of "yeah, good for you, Cloud, you're off your butt now" thing from Aerith. Cloud proves that it was Tifa who helped him move ahead when he thanks her for helping him to stop dilly dallying. Not to mention Tifa helped Cloud in the Lifestream. And don't start that argument about how she wouldn't have had to do it if she had just told him the truth about it from the beginning, because it's completely illogical and quite frankly stupid.

I prefer Tifa, because I like her more but I don't like how they gave her mini skirts and a small tank top in the game...at least they covered her more in AC making her look more decent. Yah, I think I like Cloti more because I heard of the couple first so I got into them being together and then someone goes and says "but he loves Aeris?(that how you spell her name?) " and then I'm all like 'what?' whos this Aeris girl. Who the heck is she? I don't like her.

Plus, I don't like the fact that she's wears too much pink than necessary. (shutters) It's not really a good reason not to like someone but I can't help it. The mind hates what it hates, nothing to help it.

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