Robin was good for Faith because he didn't take her attitude that all men are jerks. For the first time, here's someone who's not following her like a puppy after they do stuff, and even saying that she wasn't all that good. While he may have been joking, Faith needs someone who can keep up with her like Robin.

~Crystaltambaia

PS: good thread!

in Angel Season 4, Connor seemed to have a nice little crush on her soooo....

~Crystaltambaia

If you are at all into 'virtual series' I highly recommend: http://www.thewatcherscouncil.net/

Robin and Faith are together and it also 'stars' Willow, Xander, Andrew, Dawn, Vi and Kennedy (Willow & Ken were together for awhile, but now are broken up and seeing other people). It's just an excellent series.

-Rob-

Anyways, I'm all for the Connor thing. That'd be interesting. I am, yes, a fan of Faith/Buffy. Faith and Xander's always sounded good too...

Yet, I think I'll stick with Connor right now. Faith/Connor all the way.

SS4EVA

PS. Harsen: Yay! There's a series where Willow and Kennedy break up? I think I'm going to go and just read the breakup scenes.

LOL. Yes there was quite a few folks who were glad that Kennedy and Willow didn't work out. I actually have trouble seeing Wills with anyone but Tara or Oz, which I guess just shows how strong the writing was for those relationships on the show.

-Rob-

Let me know when your story is completed. I'd like to read it, but I only read the 'Complete' stories so I don't have to try to remember to go back to them later. I'm far too lazy for that... lol.

robgnow@yahoo.com

-Rob-

My personal favorite theory is Buffy/Faith. I've also read a fanfic of Faith/Cordy which was really good.

I read a fan-fic once that involved a little bit of Faith/Kennedy, but it ended in Buffy/Faith... and I kinda liked the Idea of Faith/Kennedy together.... But... I really like Kennedy/Willow, and before anyone wants to hunt me down and kill me... I don't like them as much as I do Willow/Tara... or maybe even Willow/Oz.

My final vote for who Faith belongs with, is Buffy. *nods* not that it would ever happen, buffy's too uptight.

(and eww, so CAN'T see Faith and Riley together. I think she'd tolerate him even less than Buffy did.)

P.S.-The perfect show would be send Wes, Faith, and Spike to New York and let them find thier destiny's there, the three of them would have enough old friends and enemies to keep a show going. Just have Wes and Faith end up together after a few seasons, with the shows ending being like the ending to the first Terminator movie.

Yes...I know she's gone.

They're still the perfect couple, behind Cordy/Doyle and Cordy/Angel.

P.S.-All of my fanfics are Wes/Faith and there's a ton...okay maybe not but a lot of reasons that Wes and Faith work best.

Faith should go out with woods for about a year to grow up a bit. Then Faith should sleep with Wesley for a passion filled couple of years then wesley could die then. Connor as a long term partner in about eight years time when they've both completely grown up.

I'm not a fan of Faith/Wood. I think that if you wrote Faith/Connor you'd have to work quite ** it. They're both troubled and the whole ying-to-the-yang thing doesn't quite work with them. I'm kind of split on the Faith/Wesley thing, I think they could be a good couple if written right but still...

Although they had never met I thought Faith and Graham Millar from the initative would make a handsome couple.

P.S.-I actually had a tv show in mind where it'd be Wesley, Faith, and Spike in New York...more to follow if anyone wants...

Right now, I think of wes, and I think of the one in Buffy, and think... "There's no way him and Faith are made for each other. She would walk all over him, use him, and leave far far behind." But... if I think of the wes you described... it very well could work between the two of them.

Your idea of Faith, Wes, and Spike in NY has caught my interest. (lol mind at least including Willow?? if not Kennedy lol)

~Jo~

As for the show idea well I thought to add Glory, depowered but still trying to get her powers back and be evil but every once in awhile helping Angel and the others and oddly becoming fragile friends with Faith, partially since Clair and Eliza are friends so they'd work well together. Then just add a few other characters, like a freshman in college aged young woman named Hope, which Faith would have a ball making jokes about her name. At the start Faith would help bring Wesley back though lie to him about why he's back, which would come back to haunt her later on. At first they'd just try to find thier destiny, as none of the three would have a prophecy attached to them like Buffy and Angel. Faith at first would stay like she used to be sleeping with random guys, she wouldn't care that Spike knew but over time we'd see her not wanting Wesley to know, the start of her falling for him. Wes would have to work through Fred's death, maybe dating women for a while that reminded him of Fred, and the torture at Faith's hands before over time they'd fall for each other, with a fair amount of angst and a grinning Spike watching from the sidelines, maybe with him becoming more and more human, he'd end up still needing to drink blood but could go out in the sun, his heart would beat, basically he'd be alive, a male slayer. The show would end with Wesley and Faith married and parents, though think of a Terminator esque marriage, we'd only see them married at the very end of the show, like final minutes of final episode married and all that we'd see to tell us that would be that they were both wearing rings and would have a kid in a carseat in the back of the suv with Hope sitting beside the kid and Faith would be pregnant. OVer the course of the show we'd learn that Hope is actually Wesley and Faith's daughter from the future but she was sent back in time and doesn't remember any of it, though she'd vaguely remember that she was happy with her parents, loved them both, and that they loved her. Spike would end up going to Rome and surprising Buffy, who'd gasp in shock, look like she was going to kiss him, then slug him in the nose before he starts to ask about what is it with Summers women and his nose before she'd silence him with a kiss before the two hurried to her bedroom, after the door closes you'd see Willow just grinning and trying not to let anyone see, Dawn would tear up and smile, Giles would look up, ** his head to one side and then look back down at his work before we'd see a small smile. Xander would just about pass out...the end. I'll go now................

I've seen a few of the episodes from around the time that Faith went to help in Sunnydale with the First, and thought they weren't too bad. So I have considered watching the rest of them at some point :)

Woods did not take advantage of Faith in any way whatsoever. One minute he's telling a young woman good night the next she's sticking her hand down his pants. What would any fit single hetrosexual male who knew he was going to probably die that week do?

He had stamina and he told Faith she deserved to be treated nicely. Woods was a good guy.

Wes/Faith on the other hand works out pretty dang well imho, just bring Wesley back and then have Faith slowly fall for Wes and it'd work out perfectly. She would want to show him that she could be good and isn't hopelessly lost and he'd try to make up for his mistakes with her, though both made them in the past. The would definitely be a pair that could find anyone or be the muscle for a group wtih plenty of brains to compliment that, Faith probably isn't as stupid as she sometimes appears, though BUffy was supposed to be really smart and she didn't always act like it. I"ll go now.......................

Oh come on! She came on to him. Remember. after cheering her up about the first.

FAITH

Forget about tomorrow. This is tonight. (pulls his hand toward her face) It's been a while. Am I out of line?

ROBIN

No. You're the leader.

Faith and Robin kissed. He lifted her up in his arms and she pushed him back onto the bed. Robin started pulling on her shirt as they made love.

She hadn't had sex for two years (although I like to imagine she had sex with Wesley against the fence outside the demon bar or in his car or in his apartment) she knows she might die, of course she's going to have sex.

As for the Buffy/Spike/Robin turmoil: He hit on Buffy while trying to kill Spike?? Robin invited Buffy out way before he learned that it was Spike who murdered his mother. The only thing Robin is guilty of, is knowing that Buffy was the Slayer and getting close to her because of it without telling her what he knew. That is all.

-Rob-

Spanderverse

There was no advantage taken over Faith what so ever.

She's an ex jail bird, he's an ex principal. She didn't finish High School he must have graduated from College.

She's twenty two. (near cannon says she was born Dec 1981 Angel Casefiles and Go Ask Malice her tie in Back story, yeah she's one month older than Buffy ,and was legal when we saw her have sex with Xander). Woods is ten years older than her according to Buffy's comment. Big age gap when you're twenty two.

He was bought up by his mothers kindly watcher, she was raised by an abusive drunk.

The issues that Faith is going to have, from being in Prison...

Sorry but I just hated Wood the moment that he showed up in Sunnydale. I'll go now.......................

Faith has been around the block. she likes having sex. Even Angelus comments 'was prison worth it for her? was knowing she'd been good, enough to keep her thighs warm at night in helr lonely single prison bunk? She'd be the type of girl who'd enjoy a threesome.' Angelus knew everyones weak spots.

So a handsome man, that Faith comes onto screws her. How is that taking advantage of her?

And Giles and Wood were smart to want to take out loose canon Spike. As Anya pointed out, he got some get out of jail free card no one else got.

If you liked having sex and you hadn't been able to have it for over two years and you might die tomorrow, wouldn't you have sex with Wood too or go downstairs and hit on Giles? Because I sure as hell would. Hell I might be so desperate I'd drag Andrew into bed with me.

Sure Faith is someone that loves sex and has had plenty of it, and as for Spike like Giles and everyone else he bypassed Buffy, and even Giles as remember taking out Spike was more his idea, in trying to kill Spike, who in the end was the one that saved them all...so to speak. I still say that Wood took advantage of the situation provided him. And that I'd rather see Faith with Wesley, right after he'd come back, which had thier been a 6th season of Angel he would have been back so his death was never meant to be permanent. I'll go now.....................

Did you ever complete 'Sleeping Beauty'? I wanted to read what you did with Faith/Riley... did it work out for you?

Rob

Spanderverse

Faith would get all of the love that she'd ever need from Wesley imho, and vice versa. I"ll go now................................

Buffy and Faith are like made for each other man. i mean i agree with you.

Buffy and Faith are similar in many ways but I see it like to many roosters in the hen house, they need to be far enough apart from each other to have their own space. They're only even friends because of something completely out of their control. It's Spike/Buffy and Wesley/Faith in all of my stories, Riley's just annoying, except for the one part that they got right about him, loved that he was from Iowa like me but didn't like how he left the show. I"ll go now...................................

Faith/Connor sounds good to me. I've seen it work in a few roleplaying environments.

Connor needs to stay away from older women, he's way to needy and clingy for Faith, imho she needs someone to make her chase them, someone who doesn't just follow her around like a lost puppy, his mind always in the gutter, basically a challenge. Connor needs someone that's outside of the life that he knows, someone that he wants to become a better more rounded person for. Connor and Faith simply wouldn't work imho, the only guy for Faith as far as I can see it is still Wesley. Just bring him back and go from there, they'd be terrific together. I'll go now...................................

Faith is a tough one... she's so strong that she needs somebody who can stand up to her and yet she's also so insecure that they also need to be sensitive enough to take her crap once in a while and not respond in kind. I think they did a good job of Robin/Faith, but Watchers: The Virtual Series took them farther where they REALLY work as a couple.

Strictly on the show? I'm not sure who could have been successfully paired with Faith... pre-prison, nobody I suspect. She was too self-destructive and would have dragged down a partner with her (in any kind of relationship except 'get some, get gone'). Post-Prison, Robin works for me. I could also see Faith/Wes... maybe, at least until he gets dead. Gunn/Faith... could work with some good writing. I know there's a lot of Faith/Buffy fans, but I just don't buy it. I could see Faith, maybe, in a girl/girl relationship under the right circumstances, but I just don't see Buffy that way.

I could possibly buy Xander... again, it would depend on the lead up and the writing. Giles, Spike, Angel, Fred, Cordy, Dawn, Anya, Oz, Riley... everyone else..., I can't buy into.

Faith might need to be paired with an OC or a crossover character. Or maybe she just doesn't ever get too involved with anyone?

I'll never like Robin, greatly because from his first appearance it was clear that he was hiding something, only cared about himself, and would do anything to anyone to get his way. He hit on Buffy and took her on a date, which I'll admit is fine if it wasn't for that little thing of he was really doing it because she was the slayer and he wanted to be closer to the slayer--not Buffy but the slayer. When she rebuffed him for Spike he tried to get rid of Spike for more reasons than just that Spike killed his mother. Then when he found out that Faith was also a slayer he went for her as well, it had nothing to do with two people who fell for each other, it's more like a groupie wanting to be with thier favorite star, he's a slayer groupie, doesn't really matter which one to him.

Had the show not ended at season 5 Wesley would not have died, and if it ever came back into a movie or anything like that I don't see Wes staying dead. Wes has seen her at her very worst, looked her right in the eye at her very worst, and seen her at her best. She's seen him at his almost worst, only because she was in prison during his worst time, but when he broke her out I think that she was almost glad to see him, surprised but glad. She showed the most concern for Angel and Wesley during her time in L.A., and really didn't fight Wesley in him giving her orders. When they were hunting for Angel she and Wesley really worked together well. He's got the brains and she's got the brawn, though Wes is tougher than he looks and Faith isn't as dumb as she's sometimes been described as. They're the perfect team of slayer/watcher.

With Gunn it'd be nothing more than a quick roll in the hay or something like that, but otherwise he'd bore her after a bit imho, Faith likes a challenge and Charles wouldn't be one imho. Faith would sleep with another woman because she likes sex, not because of anything else. Aside from how she's written in the comics Buffy wouldn't go for it either, Whedon just opened up a can of worms with Buffy's actions in the comic saying that she was just experimenting, that she's not gay, but that they're not going to spend several issues telling or proving that to us, she just isn't and they move on.

Xander is to much of a wimp, he couldn't keep up with Faith and her attitudes, her love for life and to live it...Xander is the white picket fence and two point five kids kind of guy, they don't mesh.

I see Faith not thinking that she'll end up with anybody but again I see Wesley being the best guy for her, the two of them together would provide fodder for plenty of good stories/episodes/issues of how they work through their past to get together, especially to watch the two fall for each other and their opinions on how it happens. I'll go now...........................

I think you're being a bit ** Robin. Yes, he did start out suspicious, but was that his fault... or just the writers. Giles was acting extra-shifty, too, with no real reason. It's tough to sort out a 'character trait/flaw' and just bad writing in S7... much like S6, but not quite as much (except for when Xan, Dawn and Will threw her out of the group... WTF?!)

Rob

I think that Faith is a lot like Buffy in many ways, they need someone that already knows them, they've been through to much that someone on the outside just would never understand. I may be ** Robin but from the first moment that he stepped foot onscreen I had a bad feeling about him, it was just something about his character, everything that happened after that imho only proved me right.

I never liked them throwing Buffy out either, I would have thought that Faith should have spoken up before they did or afterwards just shrugged, said that she's not a leader, and then walked out of the house-not leaving but just making a statement that she's not the leader type.

I've written a fanfic or two about if Angel and his group had come to Sunnydale right at the moment, showing up after Buffy had left...with Angel needless to say not appy about it. Another one with Buffy and Spike leaving Sunnydale and going to L.A. to Angel before coming back with his group to Sunnydale...

I still say that the only guy for Faith is Wesley, just get him back first and they'd be great together. I"ll go now.................................

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