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 petalsofpainTopic: How guilty is Ryouga really?
I might one of the few that actually feel that Ryouga is getting blamed for the wrong things in the story. I thought the whole guilt trip behind Akane and her pet was just stupid. |
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 JSBWell it is kind of bad, how he's her pet. I don't get why people keep not remembering Akane fights in her sleep. Though I like to try and think of Ryoga in a good light, which many fics basically through down the drain, and completely forget about events like fighting Herb, and Kirin, probably Saffron(haven't seen this yet, but I know enough about it). Half of their ideas are repeated Fanon cover ups for a reason to bash Ryoga, and keep Ranma and Akane as gods. Some people believe Ryoga is the lowest of the low, maybe even lower than Happosai, which is uderly rediculous. The whole Moxibustion situation shows that Ryoga has a lot more respect for Ranma than really shows. The only other repeated thing is when people use the typical way of getting Ranma out of the engagement, having Ryoga and Akane in a secret relationship. Okay, that was a big rant for me, oh well. |
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ShadowBakaSamaRyouga has a very flexible sense of honor. He is protecting Akane from her fiance Ranma by sleeping in her bed as a pig, he tries to kill Ranma is his sleep and has no problems with ambushing Ranma, but has to use his battle cry, he can gang up on Ranma with Mousse because Ranma somehow must be cheating to beat him, and collateral damage is Ranma's fault for not standing still and taking the hit. |
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Ryo-WolfRyouga has a very flexible sense of honor. He is protecting Akane from her fiance Ranma by sleeping in her bed as a pig He also protects her from Happosai. he tries to kill Ranma is his sleep No he doesn't. Read that part again. He's trying to wake Ranma up so that they can fight. no problems with ambushing Ranma, but has to use his battle cry He never ambushes Ranma. Every fight they have, not counting the first one, was precluded by a challenge letter. Whenever Ryoga shows up to fight Ranma Ranma has been expecting him for weeks. he can gang up on Ranma with Mousse because Ranma somehow must be cheating to beat him He only ever joined forces with Mousse in the Anime, which isn't canonical. and collateral damage is Ranma's fault for not standing still and taking the hit. Ryoga has never blamed collateral damage on Ranma, and the only time Collateral damage occured was their first fight. | #4 Mar 15th 2006, 8:58am . Edited Mar 15th 2006, 8:59am | |
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Crazy 109I think there's so many fanfics out there, and with the differences just between the manga and the anime, it's hard to remember where our personal impressions of some characters come from! When I go back and read through the manga, I'm usually surprised by things that have mutated in my memory. A fanfic--well-written or not--can completely redefine a character for me, without my ever realizing it; just by exposure to another person's take on something or someone. |
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Crazy 109I think there's so many fanfics out there, and with the differences just between the manga and the anime, it's hard to remember where our personal impressions of some characters come from! When I go back and read through the manga, I'm usually surprised by things that have mutated in my memory. A fanfic--well-written or not--can completely redefine a character for me, without my ever realizing it; just by exposure to another person's take on something or someone. |
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Lady MystraI think one of the most over used attacks on Ryouga's character is the so called Promise or Oath he forced upon Ranma to keep his curse a secret...The only instance of a promise was a mental one to the next door neighbor’s dog.....I find this attack to very disturbing...because of the over use of it...| #7 Apr 18th 2007, 12:30am | |
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Otaku-JeannieThe P-chan thing, he has some guilt in that but not all. The very first time P-chan comes on the scene, he accidently transroms durring a fight in the rain. His clothes are shown and Ranma looks around the street and find the dog whom he assumes is Ryouga. Ryouga in his super-cute and more helpless form (he'd been nearly dinner -at least- once before) is disorented and accidently finds himself once more in the Tendo house. Akaine sees something streaking past, most likely Ryouga is trying to find the exit and Get The Hell Out Of There (after all in his mind at this point if he realizes where he is in the home of Ranma's allies in a helpless state). Indeed in the Manga, Ryouga is shaking when Akaine gets her first view of P-chan. Also the subsiquent pannels or film doesn't show Ryouga just sitting back and enjoying in but either tresistting when he sees Ranma or passivly sitting in Akanie's strong clutches. It is only after she shows affection to Ryouga (who is shown to be attention-starved throught the searies) that Ryouga seems to show any willingness to keep up with this sharade. Subsiquently by the time things get to the point where he could be unmasked (Akanie wasn't going to listen to Ranma that night and Ryouga had at that point no reason to trust Ranma's intentions to be anything but honerable), it's likely the Ryouga realizes it might not be for the best; Akaine's pride would be hurt and Ranma would rub in in her face durring fights not to mention Ryouga wouldn't have anyone showing affection towards him. Is he to blame, yes but not completely. |
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Pariah2Ryouga's guilty of procrastination moreso than any sort of perversion. He didn't choose to be placed in that situation with Akane, but his inability to break away, which IS what he wants, puts him in a delicate position. |
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 kazekagesama23What Ryoga did was wrong. Period. However that doesn't mean that he can't possibly change, or that his character is set in stone for the rest of his life. Those who don't believe that people can't change their basic nature have obviously never had any sort of life changing experience. Also, I just can't see how Ryoga sleeping on Akane's bed constitutes such a heinous crime that Ryoga is the scum of the earth for even thinking it. Sure, he has been in contact with her chest and apparently enjoys it, but what sort of straight teenage boy wouldn't enjoy that? As I recall it, the very first meeting as P-chan, Akane picks him up and presses him against her chest. He doesn't jump there or go straight for it. And for as many encounters in the manga as I can remember, he jumps into her arms as P-chan, THEN she presses him against her chest. I would venture to say that it was never his intention in the first place to get close to her chest, it just happens. When he gets thrown in to the girls locker room by Ranma during the Japanese spring of Jusenkyo arc, he looks panicked and embarressed, not lecherous. Again, Akane picks him up and presses him against her chest , he doesn't leap into her arms. Sure, Akane doesn't know that he's a human, but I hardly think you can call Ryoga perverted when it was never fully his intention to get close to Akane's chest. But like I said before, there's no reason that he wouldn't enjoy it. He's not gay or neutered after all... Ryoga tries to be noble, but he does some dumb things, things that he doesn't fully appreciate the consequences of. Ranma tries to be noble, but he does some dumb things that he doesn't fully appreciate the consequences of. Does that mean that we should vilify one or exalt the other? No, they're both human and therefore subject to human emotion, just like the rest of us. I guess what I'm trying to say is, give Ryoga a chance. He's done some stupid things, but he's also done some very noble things. In summary, he has some apologizing to do, but after he apologizes and stops doing it, it'll be over. Not that this happened in the canon, but one can always fantasize... | #10 Feb 08th, 10:53am . Edited Feb 09th, 10:18am | |
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Pork-chizzle654Personally I think that Ryouga, guilty as he may be, is only a victim of circumstances most of the time. The whole sleeping with Akane thing, I don't know if a lot of people realize it, but he's really just digging his own grave. Akane is dense but if he ever decides to reveal the truth about how he feels to her she is going to know about his curse. Not a lot can be done about it, the hole has been dug. Maybe if he had come out with it in the beginning he would have stood a chance but now it's just not possible. I truly am sorry to say this because he is one of my favorite characters in the show. He knows that he is doomed to be a pet unless he wants a very severe beating possibly resulting in death or paralysis. No, Ryouga is not guilty of EVERYTHING. He has his faults like every character in the series, and I do mean every character. That's why it's a great series, because there is no one godlike perfect character. I can rest assured that Ryouga will apologize if he is ever found out, by that time it may be too late for him, but he will not go explode like I've seen in other fanfiction. What the hell is with that anyways, "I'm so depressed I'm going to make myself explode with my own technique". Sorry, it doesn't work like that. This was proven in the canon when he released it and took the full brunt of it and still didn't die. He's a little hard headed, and he tends to get depressed easily, but he is hardly as guilty as people make him out to be. |
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