So I was watching the series three finale again today and something that sphere with the really cute voice made me come up with this theory.

"It's is coming, the terrible darkness"

I don't think she was talking about the end of the universe...

So, this darkness thing has been hyped quite a bit in Doctor Who, yes? and after this series the shows going on a break.

So I concluded that this series finale is going to be BIG! (Or maybe it's all a coincidence) maybe something that's been HYPED!

Yes, The darkness is coming

But there's been nothing to prove this in series three so far....except for the "Next time" preview after "The Unicorn and the Wasp"

"And Donna; Stay out of the shadows" (Random note; Catherine Tate is frikin' awesome in Doctor Who, I thought she'd kill the thing but she weaseled her her way into to being my fav assistant.)

And we don't normally have two parter episodes untill the finile yeah? Well we've had the Sontaron's and the next two episode's coming up (And it's written by Steven Moffat! I'ma gettin' mah jumping behind the couch reflex ready 'casue if this ends being even half epic as Blink it's going to fuc-really scary)

Anyway, I'm just going to get straight to the point now 'casue I've garbled on about pointless stuff.

This darkness thing is going to put the Earth in danger, the Doctor won't be able o do anything, Rose will come back, as a clone or generated anomaly. The same for the Master, 'casue of his ring being nicked and all.

The females will kick **. Sontaron's "Not bad. for a female" Master; "Alway's the women"

Martha's husband will play a big part, there's a reason he hasn't been shown yet you know

And Rose will save the universe.

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Also, oh god let's hope this doesn't happen, The Doctor regenerates.

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Or maybe I'm completely wrong and wasted a good few minute of your lives. Who knows?

(Did I making any sense or did what I say wash over your heads?)

WARNING! SPOILERS!

A lot of that, which you believe to be speculation has been confirmed either way. For example, Martha's fiance (not husband) is Tom Milligan, the doctor from Last of the Time Lords last series. The reason he hasn't been shown is a, he's not important, and b, the actor may well not want to come back, or might be too busy.

As for the rest of your stuff, in order:

They were talking about the end of the universe. And the recurring theme of the darkness coming is in Torchwood. Whether or not it will ever be explained is unknown, unless it was simply Abadon from series 1.

We all know this finale is going to be big. It's going to have Rose (and co.), Jack, Sarah Jane, and Martha all returning. It's gonna have the Daleks, and I think it's near enough been confirmed that Davros will return.

This is series 4, not 3...

Actually, every single series has had three two-part stories, except series 3, which had a three-part story for the finale. We had Slitheen, the Empty Child, the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Ood, more Cybermen with Daleks, Daleks again, the Family of Blood, and the Master all with multi-part stories in series' 1-3.

Rose won't be coming back as a clone or generated anomoly, she'll just be coming back, like every other companion featured in the new series. The Master's ring thing was put in by Russell T Davies so that his successor (now confirmed to be Steven Moffat!!) somewhere down the line would have a way to bring back the Master, if he/she wants.

And it goes without saying that the females will kick butt.

The Doctor won't be regenerating just yet, David Tennant has been confirmed to be staying on for the specials in 2009, but not beyond that yet. Whether or not he'll be staying or leaving after that is unknown.

Rose to save the day, again? Oh I hope not. This is really a new series things, the companion saves the day at the end or stars in the finale. Way back the companion was for the Doctor's mild amusement if they impressed him enough. Sort of "Dance, monkey, dance!" sort of thing. A science project if you will. In fact one of the companions, a cavegirl (Her name escapes me) was pretty much a project to see if she could learn sophistication. So I hope this time Donna's role is kept to a minor, and the same goes for Rose and Martha. But I have a feeling I'm wrong. Why do they turn Doctor Who into a "Sci-fi Drama"?

...Because it's produced by BBC's drama department? One of the Executive Producers is the Head of Drama at BBC Wales, and "Controller of Drama Commissioning"? To appeal to a wider demographic? Take your pick, I've got more.

It's run by the drama department? Now that is something I didn't know. Well I suppose they don't have enough shows for a Sci-Fi department. But still it's quite ridiculous, they could still keep the show as it's meant to be. And to appeal to a wider demograph is no excuse. It's a revival of the show, so why change such a core feature? And the show is a "Sci-Fi", drama was the smallest smidgen of it. It was referred to "Sci-Fi" for all the past generations. The 60's, the 70's, the 80's... And now suddenly it needs to be a drama? Rubbish, it survived as a "Sci-Fi" for all those years and only now does it need to be a Sci-Fi Drama? I don't believe it.

Well sci-fi on it's own is not that popular, a lot of people like the drama of it, and watch for that very reason. The BBC wants the highest viewings figures they can get, so that was neccessary. If you don't like, well there's not a lot you can do about it.

A person who watches Doctor Who for the drama is somebody I will never understand. Appealing to demograph isn't often wise, read any 80's comics and you'll see why. Robot monkeys riding dinosaurs... But I understand slightly. I just think it's not a wise move.

Ah, well I don't hang out in the DW fandom much so I'm not completely up to date with stuff.

Yay I looked like an idiot =D

And Steven Moffat is taking over?

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I can die happy YES-YES-YES-YES-YES-YES-YES-YES!

*just saw the promo on BBC1*

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I WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE DARKNESS!

Edit; so very sorry for double post and abusing cap's lock.

I just got reduced to a squealing mess then.

For the benefit of those of us unlucky enough to only get our news from month late viewings (without any trailers) and what shows up at Wikipedia---can you expound on the revealed Darkness thing?

I swear I read somewhere that the Doctor meets an enemy in the finale episodes that is trying to erase him from history. If this is so, then this sounds rather like what happened to the rest of the Time Lords. Could this be an enemy that has figured out how to make a Demat gun? (Demat being the gun Tom Baker's Doctor used against the Sontarans in The Invasion of Time...which rather ties in nicely as that would have been the first known invasion of Gallifrey [before the Daleks came.] I can see the spirit of Rassilon [The Five Doctors] having the Doctor build one possibly under the same hypnosis Leela was and then using it against Gallifrey to stop the Daleks from getting their hands on their secrets.

Going with the whole genre debate ...

Doctor Who is obviously Sci-Fi, but don't you think that it's made so much more interesting when it becomes more 'human', ie dramatic? I know that the romance factor can grate slightly, but when the characters have proper relationships that get pretty deep, it's a lot more moving and overall makes better viewing.

For example, Forest of the Dead - that was made so much more impressive by all of the drama/relationships - The Doctor and River Song (even if that annoyed me, it still made me gasp a lot); Donna and her husband (heartbreaking when they were split up and then he missed her!) ... The episode would have been so much less, had it not had that "drama" aspect.

As for more spoilers (beware, some may be coming here ...)

I heard that at the end of this series, the Doctor has to make a sacrifice to save the world that involves him sacrificing all of his histories with his companions since the beginning of the "new series" (ie Rose onwards). How can they do this to us??? I know it will give the new writer a clean slate (eradicating Bad Wolf and all the other little tie-ons), but I will be heartbroken if this happens!

Apparantly it's gonna be all of the Doctor's old companions saving him because he can't save himself. At least we'll get to see Sarah Jane again.

The drama is what makes it interesting.I love sci-fi and fantasy but it's nothing unless it has some emotions and heart behind it.To love a show you have to love the characters,not just the special effects.And no one would love the characters unless there was a story to get involved in and drama to get caught up in.Good sci-fi uses magic and aliens and things to highlight our own humanity(or lack there of)and make us think.This is the esense of drama,this is what good sci-fi,in fact,all good television is about.

Why do you think Doctor Who died off?Because audiences matured and wanted emotions.Wanted drama!There are more important things then SGI and cool aliens and theroies about the phyics of time travel!Russel T. Davies brought the show back to life,gave it a soul.I've seen old Doctor Who,it doesn't compare.Sure it was fun but could you really get excited about it week after week?Sure,when you're a kid.But when you grow up you want something you can relate to,something that makes you laugh and cry and almost die from antisipation.That is the kind of show that lives forever.And that's what Doctor Who is now.

I will never understand people like you.

Really?*gasp*

Yeah,I completely agree with you,as my coment above would suggest.I loved 'Forest of the Dead',but I hated River.Still I felt sorry for her.Drama,this is why we need it,I makes us think!And if it doesn't then we might as well go watch Big Brother because what's the bloody point?

I'm sorry if I'm being a bit agressive but this has just really made me mad.

Anyway as for the spoilers,

OMG *gasp* Really?

So they'd all be wiped from existance?The last four series would never have happened?That would mean Torchwood would never have happened either.

That's **! That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. They might as well burn all the film then.What would be the point of that?They put all that time into making it and the fans invested so much and the they're just going to say "Actually,none of that mattered at all,we've just been making fools of you and ourselves for the past four years".They can't do that.

Although I wouldn't put it past them.They've been doing some pretty moronic things of late.I'm starting to get really worried about the future of both DW and TW.

Yeah, I wholly agree with your opinions on "drama". Take sci-fi novels such as 1984 and The Handmaid's Tale ... yes, they take very complex scientific/sociological concepts and tackle those, but they are made so, so much more intense by the involvement of people - it helps us to empathise with them, and imagine how things could be in relation to us, our lives and our relationships.

Back to the spoilers - my thoughts exactly. It would just ruin the past 4 years of our intense viewing ...

I would be really upset and just generally ** off if they did that.It would mean the last four years meant nothing.And they've built so much history and had so many great story-lines,why disregard all that?It just seems a total waste.I've disagreed with a few of the directions both TW and DW have taken resently(Tosh and Owen)but I can usually see it from their POV.But no matter what way I look at it this just doesn't make any sense.

The consepts in sci-fi really interest me,but it would never hold my interest unless I could relate to it,empathise.Is it possible to love a show without loving the characters?I don't think so.

You're not the only one. If RTD does that, i might just go to Cardiff and become homicidal - how could he do that to loyal fans!? and there's all the idiotic cr*p about there only being 5 episodes of TW next year of 5 consecutive nights on 1 story - I mean, what's the *** point?

Anyway, spoilers...

the synopsis for all of the episodes can be found here, if anyone's interested:

http://www.sylvestermccoy.com/newdoctorwho/ and so far, they've been pretty accurate. The rumours going around that Robert Carlyle is taking over from DT in 2010 is not something I want to hear. I read something on msn that said fans wanted James Nesbit to play the Doctor, but I can't see that happening either...

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