I figured this would be a fun thread while we wait on Frozen to air...whenever that is.

I'll start.

Bailey doesn't even like Zack as a person and is often shown wanting to strangle or kill him.

unrealistic, the two people are nothing alike and they share no common interests, and it's unimaginable.

Definitely, I think that if they had ever been together, she'd constantly be putting Zack down with her knowledge like how Cody does to him without always meaning too. From Bailey's character, it certainly doesn't seem like she'd like a fling kind of thing (but that kind of doesn't really count now that Maya's here).

Basically, the idea's just absurd to me. Their personality just doesn't match each other that well.

And then there's the fact how Zack knows that Cody likes her and even if Zack's a player, he wouldn't go around with his "brother's girl".

But even if Cody and Bailey never went, out Zack and Bailey aren't compatible.

Exactly.

Bailey has high aspirations and goals in life. She strives to be a pediatrician. Zack's goal in life is to get paid for doing nothing.

Bailey enjoys the intellectual pursuits. Zack can't spell intellectual pursuits.

Bailey is highly motivated and a hard worker. Zack is as lazy as can be.

Bailey believes in personal hygiene. Zack does not.

Bailey believes in hard work. Zack does not.

I could go on and on.

Precisely. Zack has a lot of faults, but he is loyal to his brother. He would never betray Cody like that. Plus, he has shown he is a believer in the "guyble" and a big part of the guyble is that you never mess with your brother's girlfriend or ex.

Besides, we know Bailey prefers smart, sensitive, mature types. She knows Zack is nothing but a player, and has looked down on him before because of it. She would have nothing to do with him. And we all know what Bailey's views on cheating are.

yes, we all do know what Bailey views on cheating are... she made it pretty clear in Break up in Paris.

Anyways, Cody and Bailey will be getting back together soon, and even if they don't in season 3, there is always the movie!

So, I completly agree. Zack and Bailey are NOT meant to be together; they are meant to be friends.

Besides, I think Zack is going to be one the reasons that Cody and Bailey get back together- I mean, we have all seen how much Zack actually cares about Cody!

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Zailey is just messed up. Just plain messed up.

I completely agree w/ everything that has been posted on here. If the show actually did start Zailey (ugh, even the name is awful!), i would turn it off and try to start a boycott till the writers got their heads out of their butts and changed zailey(blach!) to CAILEY(YAY!). I won't even read or think about reading zailey stories. another reason why it's complete nonsense is that they hate each other. In the S.S. NEWS episode, they were pratically biting each others heads off.

CAILEY FOREVER!!!!!!

Not to say that I agree with Zailey (I don't), but there are those who look at the SS News episode and say that it was nothing, but sexual tension. Personally, if we take the potential of who Zack can be, he would be a bit of a better match for Bailey, but even then he would need to show it on a consistent basis.

Part of the reason that ppl don't like Cailey is because they hate the whole competitive nature of the two and are turned off by how a couple who supposedly loves each other can get into so many fights and are too bull headed to admit their faults. I'd fault Disney for that. Disney really doesn't know how to make a good drama, even in a sitcom, and thus makes it seem so childish and stupid that turns people off from it. Of course since this is family friendly, we can't ever show how realistic relationships are.

I agree. Disney can't ever show how realistic relationships are, but using the characters Zack and Bailey, they are completely incompatible. Maybe opposites attract, but Zack always treats Bailey like an older sister he loves to annoy. I always wanted this show on ABC or CBS or something like that, but Disney guarantees a happy comedic ending. Disney had a dramatic opportunity with this show and they blew it.

I think the reason most people hate Cailey is not a logical one. They hate it because no people can be so perfect for each other. While I would have liked them to get into a values spiff, such as politics or religion, their fighting is extremely pointless.

I have to completely disagree with you. SS News showed two people who fundamentally see the world in different ways and have nothing in common. I saw no sexual tension at all. I saw it as Zack treating Bailey as an extension of how he treats Cody. And in some ways, I think Zack resents Bailey because she became the most important person in Cody's life. Cody's focus was on his relationship with her and was no longer around to be Zack's cohort anymore. In some way, he blames her for Cody growing up and moving further away from him.

And what exactly is this potential that Zack has? I've never seen it. He's still they same person he was when he was 12, only older physically now. In NO WAY would he ever be a better match for Bailey. She needs someone who challenges her and understands why she is the way she is. Zack could never do that. His lack of caring about most things would grate on her nerves. And their personalities would clash as well. Bailey loves the intellectual pursuits as well as the pursuits of her own dreams. She has a plan for her life that Zack would never understand. On the other hand, Zack has no direction in life. He's going to be in for a rude awakening after graduation when he doesn't have Cody around to keep him at least somewhat focused. At most, Zack sees her only superficially as he has never cared about who she is on the inside. Meanwhile, Bailey has seen that Zack is shallow and conceited. She has seen that he is still very immature. He's given no reason to think he will ever change. I just can't fathom how Zack would ever be a better match. They have nothing in common, no shared interests, no common goals, no nothing. The only thing they do have in common is they both love Cody.

I think Debby has said it best. Cody and Bailey bring out each other's confidence in themselves. But due to this rise in confidence, it will often lead to them butting heads. The compete because they want to prove to the other that they are worthy of the other. Is that something they need to work on when they reconcile? Absolutely. But I think that will come with maturity. As they say, with age comes wisdom. Plus, they will have their previous mistakes to learn from the second time around. But I think we did see them admit their faults. Except for Paris, they always apologized and admitted what they did wrong, and I believe the apologies for that is forthcoming. This is the first real serious relationship for both. Of course they are going to make mistakes, but they learn from their mistakes. But they must have done something right as Disney has called them the most popular couple in the channel's history.

The show has already shown the whole opposites attract theory in bunk. Bailey is drawn to Cody no matter what he is. Normally, he is the smart, sensitive, intelligent one that she is drawn to. But in Bermuda Triangle, she was drawn to him as the 'bad boy' who she had nothing in common with. This just shows that its Cody who she is drawn too, not how he behaves. When Zack was acting like Cody normally does in the episode, she was just as repulsed by him as she is normally.

I totally have to say Bermuda Triangle was one of my favorite episodes. The hillarity of it- Zack becoming the smarter, geekier twin, and Cody becoming the (very hot) bad boy, was just... awesome.

I mean, the cuteness of Cailey just INCREASED with badboy/geekygirl. It was- adorable.

333 Cailey forever!

It just proved that its Cody that Bailey is drawn to. No matter how he acts or what his behavior is, the spark she has is with him. If I want to get all philosophical, you could say its the soul's recognition of its match. Whether Cody is the Cody we all know or the bad boy version of himself, its still his soul that Bailey is drawn to.

Very interesting stuff being said in here. I do agree with SG when it comes to SS News, didn't see the sexual tension MoF said others may have seen. I do want to say for those saying Zack and Bailey couldn't be a couple simply because they are opposites and having nothing in common, I think you have to bring more to the table then just that reason, back it up with items from episodes like SG has done. I say that because I have seen characters who have nothing in common become a couple on shows and its worked (most notably Quinn and Logan from Nick's Zoey 101, and even to an extent my favorite couple of all time Tommy and Kim from Power Rangers). I do agree with everyone though that Bailey and Zack wouldn't work out, while opposites can attract, I don't think it works it this situation for those two, especially when I look at the Bermuda Triangle episode that was used as an example in the last post.

Disney writers were mentioned as well, I just do want to cut them some slack for a minute because we all gotta remember that this show isn't targeted to us (unless we are all say 7 to 13 year olds, which I know we aren't). Kids the show is targeted too as going to watch no matter how dramatic or non-dramatic Cody and Bailey's relationship is, or no matter how bullheaded they are with one another. I loved Power Rangers back in the day, watched it everyday, I didn't care how cheesy the storylines were, and the kids who watch this show aren't going to care about the things we talk about that we would like to see or didn't like seeing, and neither are the writers because we aren't the targeted audience. I just sometimes think that gets lost in the discussion and thats why I wanted to bring it up

Great points.

And I think it can be easily argued that Bailey has no respect for Zack as a person or at least a mild dislike for him. When she and Cody were together, she was around Zack, but that was only for Cody's benefit. Since they've been apart, she hasn't hung around Zack at all. She just has no reason to. I think the best example of this is Alaka Scram. She was upset that he butted in on her date with Cody, his view on women, and him stealing their smoothee. She was the one wanted to get away from him at all costs and came up with Woody to get him off their backs.

I've never bought into opposites attract, because on some level, there are some similarities. There are absolutely none between Zack and Bailey. Bailey has said she wants to be a pediatrician. That's about eight more years of school. Once high school is over, I can see Zack wanting nothing more to do with school. He has said he wants to get paid to do nothing.

And Bailey needs someone who accepts her as she is. On more than one occasion, Zack has made fun of her for who she is. Not as bad as London, but still. And the more I think about it, Zack just doesn't work as a romantic lead. They finally put him with Maya and then she disappears. And still he flirts and ogles other girls, including his own mother.

I have another theory that Zack resents Bailey not over for taking Cody away from him, but for showing that Cody is actually more successful with girls than he is. Cody has Bailey who fell in love with him. No matter what Zack has done, he's never had a girl fall in love with him. And that has to stick in his crawl. In Family Thais, Zack even went as far as trying to sabotage their relationship. And he didn't feel any guilt about it whatsoever.

And, yes, this show is directed towards Tweens. That's the Disney Channel targeted office. We all try to see things from a more...mature...view point. But, I think Disney is also showing to young kids several lessons. One being that even if you are nerdy (as Cody and Bailey both are), you can still find your one true love. And between Zack and Cody, Cody is the nice guy. They are showing nice guys don't finish last.

I can look back at shows I watched as a kid, and I think differently about them now than I did then. Case in point, the Smurfs. As a kid, 100 male smurfs and 1 female smurf, and you thought nothing of it. Thinking about it now, it raises some serious questions. And take Saved by the Bell as its target audience overlaps that of SLOD. They tackled subjects like drugs and drinking & driving that Disney will not touch. And when NBC tried to move it for a more mature audience in SBT: The College Years, it failed horribly. With SLOZAC starting on Disney, it defined the characters early on and never strayed from Disney ideals. SLOD was never going to do that either. I'm not sure if it could have worked on another network. But, sometimes, its kind of nice and reassuring that with Disney, you know everything will work out in the end without destroying the characters along the way.

Cannot be more right. However, I think that Disney wants to show that Zack kind of likes Bailey's looks, as he called her "smokin" in Silent Treatment, but he has no respect for her. We don't even have to go into him being slightly misogynistic. He just doesn't respect her, in anything. Even in the first episode, he only was nice to her cause he wanted a girl in his room.

You just described Zack's view of every girl. Bailey is no exception to the rule. Think about the ones who have been around him for any length of time.

London - She has money and is dumb enough to go along with some of his schemes. (Ex. driving him to math camp)

Max - She like sports and was very tomboyish. But Zack freaked when she liked him as more for a while.

Maddie - Constantly calling her his Sweet Thing even though he knew it annoyed her. And he was 12 and she was the pretty older woman.

The Twins - He just liked them for their looks and that increased when they became models.

Maya - Again, we know nothing about her or why she puts up with him.

Zack has never really shown any true respect for any lady. He is the typical will flirt with anything in a skirt guy. Will he mature some day? Maybe, but I haven't seen any evidence to show that he is yet.

I heard in the movie, there will be two new love interests for both Cody and Zack. Is it true?

I hadn't heard that. But I don't see the point of them bringing Cody and Bailey back together at the end of season 3 and then tearing them apart again in the movie. I don't think Disney would be that cruel. Plus, it would seem to contradict everything Debby and Cole have both said even after wrapping the movie.

I agree with everything that has been said on here. All points that have come up are valid, and very good. Nothing had been missed by you guys!

Disney never wanted a Zailey. According to my sources, the first two episodes was to just exaggerate Zack's skirt chasing. He wasn't this crazy in SLOZAC, but it shows know he'll flirt with anything in a skirt. Cody however, was never flirtatious and is even less now.

I just wanted to give credit to some Zailey fans for being able to express their views coherently. On many forums, it is disappointing as Cailey fan to see most Cailey fans say stuff like "Cailey rox. Zailey sux, so suk it." Many Zailey fans, as delusional as they are, are able to express their beliefs coherently. "It's not that I believe Disney will ever feature Zailey, and I don't mind Cailey. I just like the sparks that fly when Zack and Bailey argue" and "Zailey may not be canon. Still, I feel that it is alright for that couple to be popular because there are several hints throughout the series." Please, Cailey fans who may be reading this, and write the way I mentioned, try to establish your opinion coherently. Cailey is the greatest couple ever, but if you want to debate, be coherent.

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To be fair, many Zailey fans are just as incoherent in their rants. I completely disagree with the ones who throw out arguments because there have never been any sparks between them. More so, there are looks of disgust shared. They were never hinted to in the series at all. And Zailey fans never back up the evidence against them. The can't defend how Zack would never betray Cody or how Bailey detests cheating. I have no respect for any Zailey fans because they believe in something that has less proof or traction than Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny. I have had on Zailey fan admit you can't write them without fundamentally changing who the characters are though. So, I at least respect the one somewhat for that.

You know what we should do? Start a collection of anti-Zailey, Lody, and Twincest stories, mocking them in every way possible.

YES. I agree with Deathly Hallows! Anti Zailey, Lody, you know all the creepy couple stories... :)

Well, we could do the idea discussed before and put them all on trial and provide evidence of how absurd they all are. Or if anyone has ever watched the Lewis Black show, The Root of All Evil, on Comedy Central, put it in a format similar to that. It could be a collaboration type story with one author taking one case or side to prove which is the most evil.

Let's do that! But I got dibs on proving Zailey is more evil!

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