|Reviews for The Things Raven Sees|
| Zatara chapter 100 . 3/6
Thank you for being born! I really loved all this, it wasn't what I was expecting. It truly feels like we were inside Raven's head, seeing what she would truly think in the situations we put her into in fanfics. I especially liked that it all ended up back to how she is in the show, and put it into perspective that we don't want it any other way, don't want her to be any different. Thanks for taking the time to write this!
| kuroinekorawr chapter 80 . 2/16/2013
hahahha dude i just finished "Chain", nice work. loved everything so far, im looking forward to the rest
| BlueCowl54 chapter 27 . 1/26/2013
LOL xD SILKIE!
| Martenzo chapter 100 . 12/23/2012
There isn't much I can say to do justice to how amazing it has been to read this saga. I have a criticisms (and I'll get to it), but dspite that this story is one of the best TT fics I have read on FFnet. Top ten for certain, as far as I'm concerned, maybe even top five.
The main criticism I have, is Raven's death threats. They felt too far out of character for her, and they made the story less believeable. She gets annoyed by BB and the other Titans, sure, but all the 'I'll kill him' thoughts didn't feel right. Annoyed or not, I just can't see Raven wishing death on any of the Titans in her own thoughts. Not even in jest. Maybe if she was seriously losing control, but not routinely like she did in this story.
| CupidZlay chapter 8 . 10/18/2012
It truely gets to me.
| hm chapter 1 . 10/13/2012
Dammit, another big one:
*) "living in the plastic microchips, return the correct number every time I use a calculator" - "living in microchips, return the correct number every time I use a plastic calculator."
| hm chapter 1 . 10/13/2012
My apologies, I made some mistakes:
*) "my older arguments still stand they had flirted for some time before that" should be "my older arguments still stand; plus, they had flirted for some time before that"
*) " Stephany Meyer" should be " Stephanie Meyer"
*) "how she sees Garfield in his green eyes"- "how she sees herself in Garfield's green eyes"
*) "there is a little difference... " should be "the fact that there is little difference..."
*) some more may be hidden, but they are minor problems
Hopefully, this is my last post.
| hm chapter 34 . 10/12/2012
II) The 'week chapters'
Don't want to desribe it; would be too long. If anyone is reading this comment, just think about
*) how could she survive on Azarath with that setup;
*) what 'distraction' means and how it would backfire terribly;
*) once again, what does it say about her mental fortitude;
*) does p0st provide any mechanics to back up his claim? something that truly explains the workings of Raven's mind, beyon pretentious and superficial metaphors;
*) how ridiculous the Nobody club is.
Also: why, on God's green earth, would Raven be listening to music (I wnated to ask it for a while)? Music is evocative, she should- has to- stay away from it. The same goes for other arts (nice job on the poems; so much for not making her a regular emo).
Because of having little knowledge of comics, I made some mistakes concerning chapter 81. p0st made more.
1) When she kissed Garfield, they were hiding from Brother Blood's forces. Blood is Trigon's priest. So, it was something related to her heritage. Claiming that the kiss was because of her fearing the Crisis and just happened to coincide with aftermath of Blood's assault is... pretty asinine.
2) The mere fact of the oncoming evil being related to her does not imply knowledge of how to stop it. Obviously.
3) The official explanation (she did it because Garfield needed reassurence) works much better, becuase
a) She has manipulated a love interest- Wally West- to achieve a goal before. Her doing so again shows incorrigibility that underlines a tragic character.
b) Raven had a period of being 'White Raven' when she was free to express feelings (and kissed Dick). After a while, she learned (painfully) that there are multiple types of love, blah, blah. Her making the same mistake again shows incorrigible stupidity that underlines why p0st really should think twice.
3) Oh, the 'selfish' part. After reglancing over TBE, I'm quite sure that either p0st has little idea what the word means, or he uses it in a trivial sense (the same can be said about many times he tries to use that brain thing). In both cases, it adds nothing to characters and relationships, merely tries to show as three dimensional and edgy dynamics that are, at best, a two-dimensional blob (Raven/Noir read like a very lazily written Robin/Raven). That is actually done quite often in the fic (a false depth to characters, remarks that seem to provide a spin on things, but don't really mean or change anything.) There is also an option that he has read too much Fromm, and has been left permanently scarred.
Anyway, in this context, Raven being selfish either doesn't make sense, or reduces p0st to a blatant (as opposed to subtle) fanboy. Merely enjoying being together with another person isn't selfish. Love isn't martyrdom. Beast Boy also liked it, didn't he? She is selfish only if she has no romantic attachment whatsoever to BB (not explicitly stated, but strongly implied) and she had already decided/been certain on not returning the feelings in the long run. The kiss then was a byproduct of longing to 'protect', 'feel safe with' him, etc. That, naturally, doesn't make much sense (my older arguments still stand they had flirted for some time before that), it is just p0st being bitter about what has been done to *his* raven
On a side note, I would like to mention the irony that p0st trying to discredit a romance sounds just like p0st trying to create a romance. Only things that differ is the lack of a paragraph where Raven would explain how she sees Garfield in his green eyes, and how he doesn't make her eat tofu (read Mortuana, chapter 7. Some of the worst writing I've ever seen). On his behalf, the guy has arguably only written one, one and a half romance and germinated it (with small tweaks) all over a certain 3000000 word long piece. In the same vein, there is a little difference in ridiculousness between him satirizing a relationship (chapter 14., BBRae, the wit of a sixth grader) and describing one (Raven. Noir. Always.) doesn't help much either.
[If somebody is interested in reading excellently composed romantic relationships, I must once more recommend Cyberwraith9's 'Avatar' and its sequel 'Adaptation' (good BBTerra, excellent Robin/Starfire, very good Raven/OC, excellent Raven/Beast Boy, okay Cyborg/OC, though it is not given much development). ]
In the end, the only interesting romance p0st has every written is not the terrible Raven/Noir (which probably moonlights in some fanfic as Raven/Robin), very mediocre Raven/Cyborg (where Cy simply takes the best characteristics Robin and Beast Boy offer in their romances), the plotpoint of a relationship BB/Terra or Robin/Starfire, nope, not any of them.
The most interesting romance p0st has to offer is p0st/Raven, that had been going on for a long time. For convenience, I'll use Mortuana, chapter 7. again:
"Why, Noir? Why? Why'd you and I ever have to team up with someone so smart and so pretty and so mysterious that...that...that we'd be stupid enough to think that we could get to understand more? Maybe this is the curse that Raven's always yapping on about. It has nothing to do with Trigon. It has nothing to do with some demon invading our dimension or whatnot. It's all about Raven's soul. Her poor...beautiful...lonely soul. You and I peered into the well...and now the well's gotten deeper. You and I can't live in that sort of darkness, Noir. But she can. Why? Why does she always have to end up so alone?"
[there are plenty of moments in TBE resembling this one, I just don't want to search]
Besides being one of the dumbest things ever said about Raven (yes, a raging inner demon is alright. being oh-so-dark-and-mysterious is the curse of the ages), this is... not funny, not frustrating, but a little unnerving. It is like seeing someone come out of the bathroom, flushed and panting, wiping a lubricant from his hands. p0st's obsession with Raven isn't healthy for either of them. He tries to make her more complex, and more complex, resulting in a weaker, stupider, crueller and less sane character with every attempy. She... is a cartoon character.
Destructive love at its best.
I'll restate: this fic isn't good. Not by a long shot. It is, however, useful.
There are some small fine observations.
*I've had the same feeling when translating as Raven in chapter 1. Like the languages are hermetically sealed.
*Raven floating when she thinks herself walking (but how could Cyborg tell her that?)
But nothing redeemable. Pretentiousness, paired with lack of any actual intelligence, arrogance (nobody with a drop of modesty would indulge in such faux humility as his prefaces*), lack of basic tolerance (for BBRae relationship, let alone romance. I still consider it to be the superior romantic couple of the fandom. I am fully capable of arguing for it, something p0st apparantly isn't- chapter 14. was quite superficial in its criticism. But I don't want to write another huge post, no terrible pun intended), and, worst of all, terrible characterization, a mix of self-insertion and self-gratifying writng style. Those cannot be tolerated in writing, not even in fanfiction (or especially, considering how invested the readers are in the characters that are violated).
*- "abysmally epic"? I think you got something confused.
| hm chapter 1 . 10/12/2012
O, a quick fix. After being absent for a while, I reread my review and some chapters. There are things I want to mention.
1) I was wrong. 'Shy' and the week chapters are quite bad. I'll be quick
I) Chapter 57. suffers from
Intelligence 1- "Outside of understandings, there are only assumptions". In the broadest sense correct, but that is very trivial (aka 'you don't know what you don't know'). On other, it is wrong on so many levels. Especially in light of 20th century advancements. Read later Wittgenstein. Or a textbook for that matter. An obvious line of attack that 'understanding' and 'assumption' are not opposed. 'Understanding' and 'misunderstaning' (don't confuse with no understanding at all), and 'assumption' and 'certainty' are. They are based on different criteria, therefore not opposed. I may be certain that the dwarves, living in the plastic microchips, return the correct number every time I use a calculator. It's a (unthwartable, unless the machine malfunctions) certainty, but based on misunderstanding. On the other hand, I might understand completely how a random number generator works, but with what certainty can I predict them? Countless examples can be created. For somebody hating stupidity, Raven is sure becoming a paragon of it. In p0st's loving hands, that is.
Intelligence 2-'awkwardness' and 'shyness', when referring to social interactions, can be used interchangeably.
Overblown characterization- Raven considers herself a 'monter' for being sarcastic and abrasive? She does not want to become a world-destroying creature, but thinks that she has reached an equivalent of it by snappy comments? I would like to take this opportunity to insult p0st. The guy has no idea how to write a complex character. In TBE he made Raven 'complex' by having her fill buckets with saltwater and pages with bad, self-deprecating dialogue (which created wonderful unintentional irony with Noir's and Cyborg's constant gushings about how astounding she is). The supposedly powerful scenes she got where quite underwhelming (so she won't kill Noir to free herself from Trigon? Cute. Would any other Titan chose differently? No. Does the situation even make sense? Would Trigon's avatar be destroyed by destroying Noir? Wouldn't it just return into Raven? Much is unclear about the scene- and the whole arc in whole. But no biggie, every TBE arc contains, 3 - 6 plotholes, this actually wasn't one of them.). What we were left with was a very weak, whiny and unimpressive character whom p0st's self-insert (for Chrissakes, he kept writing Noir in 1st person even though already using 3rd for other characters; it simply makes no sense) and Cyborg kept drooling on.
Here, p0st tries to give her *more* complexity, and we and up with a character which makes Little Hans look healthy. Seriously, in previous comments I overlooked how neurotic this Raven is (this; hates the thought of getting blood on others; some hilariously terrible chapters like 'Tyi', which also happens to be the worst possible way to latinize that woard). It is actually scary: she is semi-insane. Somebody with that kind of fortitude could never survive demonic presence in their mind for a splitsecond. Much of it comes from author's writing style (if it can be overblown, it will be). The end result is not unlike what I've heard Stephany Meyer achieved when trying to write Bella Swan as a complicated person (haven't read the books myself, but the internet is full of descriptions).
Oh, and, just to show that I'm not lying, here are some (minor, major) plot holes of Scattered Raven. There might be more, but I'd rather not reread it:
*) if Mumbo's camera influenced Raven uniquely, why didn't same hold for Beast Boy? His physiology must be different from normal human's (especially brain structure, otherwise he'd lose memories upon shifting).
*) How can Raven feel emotions if they are technically outside of her? Shouldn't she be left numb?
*) How is it that what is supposed to be an emotion carries over information (Beast Boy's case)?
*) Considering the two above, shouldn't Raven's mind be wiped blank?
*) In what ways is Raven's mind more complex than a normal one? If anything, it is more simplistic, easier to manage (that's the point of reducing emotions to coloured avatars)
*) What happened to other emotions? Are they just running around in random bodies?
*) How can be Wisdom/Knowledge/Whatever be stupid enough to confuse Descartes (who published his work decades before Newton) with what MIGHT be Kant?
Foolish implication 1- if seeing the darkness of the world made her feel the darkness inside her more strongly by contrast, how did she even survive Azarath? Shouldn't the contrast there be even more vivd?
Foolish implication 2- this is the same old point. It makes no sense for Raven to feel guilty about the future opening of the portal, because she is clearly defiant (actively or passively) up to the very last moment, rejecting the fate. It would make sense for her to simply feel innate shame, but that's not it.
[Also, has p0st not seen 'How long is forever'? Wouldn't hearing about a non-destroyed future raise her hopes, make them strong enough to only be broken by Trigon himself at near-end? This is a point p0st-and so many writers- do not consider.]
All what is proper about the chapter is
"Then I've been resentful...for I envied them for their ignorance and their joyous lack of understanding...
Now I am angry.
Angry at myself for allowing myself to pervert what should have been a natural form of meditation and solitude...
...into something of venomous spite."
She is bitter. Write just that, and throw out the dead meat. I must admit to being not very impressed. Wouldn't she be jealous for their ability to enjoy unbridled feelings? That seems an obvious?
Her becoming angry at herself is... not spectacular, but a solid touch. Doesn't add much, doesn't really explain Raven at any point in time (she is uniformly proceeding towards greater openness in the show). But it works, which makes it a rarity in this fic.
| Guest chapter 1 . 8/12/2012
MY REVIEW IS BACKWARDS, SORRY POTENTIAL READER.
I forgot to mention that the days of the week chapter was splendidly done. Of course I think there are some issues character-wise, but they are greatly outweighed by virtues. Truly great.
| hm chapter 1 . 8/12/2012
(I am not talking about isolation itself). Well, that’s… weak. Not really much to say.
**) Her powers are rarely explored, besides invasion of other’s dreams and almost preternatural understanding of her friends’ minds (which seems to come and go when necessary). What does she feel from the city, it’s inhabitants? What is it like to have a soul-self, to heal? How does her meditation work? How does Nevermore work? So many interesting questions about Raven are ignored, yet there are some parts (especially with Starfire) that appear to be clones of one another.
**) She talks to much in this fic. Obviously.
**) She is… too frail. I like angst. A lot. And I know that these are centred about angst, but still. She is crying and breaking down constantly after seemingly spending years in Azarath learning how not to cry and break down.
This Raven does not compute. If it was necessary to draw a single picture of her, it would be one of a weak, selfish (in the actual, not you bittersweet meaning of the word), melodramatic, deeply, deeply hypocritical and downright foolish person. Is it what you tried to convey? Doubt it, it appears that you almost worship the character (the self-insertion cannot be hidden, not with all those semi-existential patches). You tried to raise her too high towards the Sun and she got burned.
10) Writing (and some praise)
Writing. So painful at so many times. When writing, you are clearly pursuing every cheap juxtaposition, every artificial irony and weak attempt to provide a twist to a scene, and covering it all in style which screams for attention. There are so many little phrases, tricks that serve only for immediate sentence against sentence effect that I am quite astounded. If I didn’t eventually learn to isolate and ignore them, I’d be unable to destroy these characters, because there would be no characters to behold, only lines and lines of silly and purple lines.
However, there is more to it. Occasionally there pops up that one perfect phrase, one excellent metaphor, even a great move in characterization that I cannot stop reading and wonder about how that could change the perception of the character. If only it wasn’t for those nasty surroundings.
*) Another thing that bothers me is your limited range. You repeat the same thoughts and situations (hell, chatting with starfire, brooding about being a portal, forced comedy with BB and Terra) so many times it makes me wonder if you were just trying to push towards the 100 chapter limit.
Your dialogues are at best when none of the characters are even remotely trying to be serious. When they are, it feels like somebody’s holding cue cards.
Humour is okay, though you usually have so little background for anything happening that it is hard for Raven’s one-liners to work. BB’s seat eating himself was good one, though.
Your writing is all around great when:
1) When you are using normal style instead of what appears to be digested, shredded scarps of haiku. They suffer from many drawbacks, but at least are readable.
2) When writing Hell chapters. Maybe it is because there are no characters to violate, maybe it is because they mostly consist of images which seems to be the most natural way for this style, but that is where you shine. For example
“Collapsing within myself….
A drop of blood.
A blossoming rose.
Thorned, yes, but—
-warm with every, every, every trickle.
"F-Friends.. … … …"
I am there.. …
I am there… … .. ….
I am there… .. … … ….”
The ‘collapsing into herself’ part is a delectable reel of images that chapter is full of.
Not to mention that you manage to pull off something of a subtlety: Trigon’s conquest of Earth is shown as a rape, clearly mirroring Raven’s mother’s fate. It also renders Raven in even a deeper Hell, as she is both the product and seed of rape. That mover was the most hauntingly brilliant thing you can do to her character.
3) You are evening out Raven’s inner monologues and the outside world. I think a good - if not the best- way to write coherently about Raven is by having her interact with the outside world in different situations or having other characters describe her (a tactic used very well in some parts of BrokenNevermore’s ‘The BubbleGum Jar’). Those little trinkets of one-liners you have compulsion to scatter everywhere seem to work so much better when they are held by something, some scene or jest. Otherwise, it is empty angst upon angst upon pseudo intelligence. Not a stable construction.
4) You are writing a relatively short piece purely about Raven’s character (like 57) and skip most of your flaws, delivering an straight interesting picture of the complex character that actually makes sense.
At those moments this fic is amongst the best I’ve read. But there is too much melodrama, too much parts that do not make sense, too many violations of the character(s). It is an impressive piece, but tries to be one too hard so succeed completely
There are few fics like this. I know of (and have already mentioned)
Mechanics (by Jack Mirembe) - BB/Cyborg centric
The Green Files (by The Lady Bonny)- BB centric
The BubbleGum Jar (by BrokenNevermore) - Raven centric
In a way, all of these are better than this, but only in the sense in which every positive number is larger than zero. They do not suffer from ailments like fatal inconsistency or gilded prose. The BubbleGum Jar actually has almost as wide range in 13 drabbles as you have in 100.
Yet none even try to go so deep into their characters, pulling apart their reasons, emotions and gestures and filling each and every one with some reason or remark. Maybe it doesn’t fit together when- if- the reader tries to put it back together, but it may not even be important. It shows what to do with a character like Raven and how not to do it. In that sense, this fic is if not better than definitely more useful than other three combined.
However, if you want to see a strong, sturdy, bitter Raven, I advice Cyberwraith9’s ‘Avatar’ and its sequel ‘Adaptation’. She gets gentler in the latter, though.
11) To sum up.
As a whole, it is a terrible character study. Yes, yes, the drabbles are unrelated, but are all of those vitally different Ravens that have nothing in common? I doubt it strongly. They seem to share too many too obvious characteristics to let you off the hook for deeper inconsistencies. That also goes for other characters.
Yet it has many redeeming qualities which (for small instants, in glimpses) often elate it to a whole new level for fanfiction, many of which I have mentioned. I do not want to restate anything now.
Thank you for making this peace intriguing and flawed enough to allow my insomnia and OCD-ishness a completely useless outlet.
| hm chapter 1 . 8/12/2012
six days, if I am correct. Not to mention starting out with a greater basis or rate of decrease…
So whatever is happening would have either ended long before that conversation or ended Cyborg.
The better question is how the hell is Cyborg supposed to feel numbness when he obviously uses so few of his human senses. Is his taste becoming weaker? As far as I am aware, there is no other sense of ‘numb’ neural damage could resort in.
So full of crap.
And I don’t even want to get into the whole ‘philosophy’ she (you) does. It is simply embarrassing. I’ll mention something when talking about Raven’s character, but for now: her conversations with Jinx are painful. Painful, painful, painful. It is like reading Wikipedia entries filtered through a drunk college student, minus the hilariousness. Once is worth a smirk, three or four times- a cringe at incredible self-indulgence. The last one, I believe, was about Oedipus and it was more than obvious that you were running out of juice. Why even bother to continue? I am no expert, yet even I know that Marx clearly envisioned and advertised a socialist utopia, not merely mindlessly criticized capitalism. I also know that the ‘nihilism’ talk was simply ridiculous, although my knowledge is more than limited when it comes to continental philosophy, it does not take a genius to see how messy and over the place it is. A simple attempt to show off as many references and names as possible with one line of argument hardly following the other.
Another favourite of mine is 39 (‘Laugh‘)
“Laughter is humankind's instinctive response to death, for it reveals that within every single person's psychobiological construct that there is an inherent, genetic awareness of impermanence.
The blood that surges through our vessels knows that someday it will surge no more.
And that is absolutely absurd.
And our bodies and our minds know of this absurdity more than our superficial egos will admit to. And laughter is our only temporary, psychological escape from the pointlessness of existence.
Why do I know that humor is our response to absurdity?
Because absurdity is a specific realization dependent upon the exclusive sentience of human beings and our mutatedly-large cerebral cortexes. If animals possess a sentience that makes them aware of the inevitability of mortal death in spite of all their survival instincts….we as finitely observing beings are at a loss to declare. But answer me this: do animals laugh? Do they truly, truly laugh?
I am convinced now that death is real because laughter haunts human beings as a definitively instinctive absurdity.
But that isn't what frightens me.”
1) Yes, animals laugh. Do they ‘truly, truly’ laugh? I don’t know, because I do not understand the question. In a trivial sense, they don’t. But it is the sense in which they don’t even walk like humans and if a dog could speak, we wouldn’t be able to understand what it says, as the famous example goes. But there is also a trivial sense in which one person could ask about another if he ‘truly, truly’ laughs, even without question of sincerity. Raven (you) is basically begging the question. Instead of treating laughter like a behavioural and (psycho)biological phenomenon, she- without any grounds for it- implies that there is something missing in our understanding of laughter and proceeds to mercifully provide it.
2) Her entire argument is crooked
I) Animals do not possess the capacity to feel absurd
II) Animals don’t laugh
III) Humans possess the capacity to fell absurd
IV) Human laugh
V) Therefore, laughter is a defence against the feeling of absurd.
There is clearly a huge gap between the premises and conclusion. There could be a million reasons for the lack of laughter, none of them implying any relation with the feeling of absurd. But not only the relationship is made, it is made (again) oddly specific.
3) What happened to the fact that there is A PINK CLAD RAVEN THAT SEEMINGLY LAUGHS AT EVERY JOKE BEAST BOY MAKES, PERIOD? You even use the character in one of your drabbles, so obviously you’ve seen the episode. Think before you write, think.
Nothing makes sense. I already pointed out some critical flaws in Beast Boy’s section and there is more to come. I want to emphasize that by ‘flaws’ I do not mean character flaws of inner conflicts: I mean poor excuses given to actions or lack of them and implicit discrepancies that are not addressed and probably could not be solved without deleting some parts of the story.
There are questions any mature study of Raven’s character should answer. This one tries and fails so extremely hard
**)Why doesn’t she kill herself? It would be better for (literally) everybody.
The obvious answer is that she believes that the Apocalypse could be prevented and keeps believing even until the very last moments. When she accepts its inevitability, there is nothing more to do, because the enemy is already at the gates, and the only thing she can do is to protect her friends. It signals an almost delusion level of hope and defiance, but what else could have got Raven through everything up to that point? Also, the teachings of Azarathian pacifism would play an important role, but I wouldn’t make it a major one (you’ll see).
If I had the license, I’d add that Trigon probably enters through her soul-self as well as her body, the former of which cannot be destroyed and could be forcibly incarnated into any body by Big Red’s agents , just to add extra credibility. Or maybe make the prophecy more ambiguous (it already kind of was in the show), making it unclear if Trigon can muster everything necessary for his entrance.
A quick search also reveals that her comic counterpart apparently is not a portal and entered Earth’s dimension to protect it from Trigon, who was coming anyway. That seems like a more solid case to defend, as she is not threatening Everything (yes, with a capital letter) to the same extent.
“And I felt myself and I felt my beating heart and the gateway throbbing within; challenged but not attained. And I knew that this one drop of blood in all Azar was precious beyond measurement and I fought to preserve it and my mother and my teachers through the very pulsing of my limbs. And when I came to this world and I saw the horror that Slade was spreading and the terrorism of bank robbers and murderers and mad bombers threatening women, children, and schools, and all walks of life, I swore to protect the very blood that felt like lava to the touch of my cold, Azarathian skin regardless of the darkness inside of me and the tragic land that I came from. I gave up my life, my sanity, my safety, and my identity to chase down the malevolent fiends of the world in a hope that I'd never have to again see so many helpless bodies—their eyes decayed gray—lying on the endless pavement with that smell that wrought out the bile in me and made me realize that the last thing I would ever do or ever want to do is commit suicide and join the stench in a manner that would undermine my mother, hurt my friends, and cancel whatever joy I have left to indulge in this world.” (chapter 6)
It would be a very solid point (and, in my opinion, the best piece of writing you have produced) if she believed that Trigon and her destiny could be prevented. She doesn’t. She spends half of the fic wailing about the inescapable aviary of her friends’ blood and father’s twisted joy that peers down onto the small girl in white like the jaws of a hungry crimson panther, ready to snap into eternity- see? Just thinking about it overwhelms me with the sheer amount of p0st-iness contained within.
By doing that you completely undermine what she is. If she is certain about the Apocalypse, she has even a greater reason to kill herself in order to protect Earth, her friends and avert a second Azarath. Would killing herself be a harder blow to the Titans than fiery and agonizing death at pure evil’s claws? No. All that is left standing in this contradiction is “the last thing I would ever do or ever want to do is commit suicide and join the stench in a manner that would undermine my mother, hurt my friends, and cancel whatever joy I have left to indulge in this world.” This, once again, is beyond ridiculous. Not only does she basically insult the dead and death itself (yet she seems so serene and almost wistfully enticed by it in other drabbles), she wants joy and to maintain her teachings. Raven lives for joy and for an ideal that ended in the deaths of its holders. Really?
I just love how the slaughter of her friends anchors her belief in the sanctity of life. Maybe I should have put this under the category ‘intelligence’. Look at it:
1) She begins doubting her right to live
2) Her mother reassures Raven to carry on living
3) Raven carries on living (very beautiful and only slightly purple descriptions ensues)
4) Trigon enters Azarath, undoubtedly looking for Raven, and slaughters everyone in it.
5) It obviously happened because Raven continued living
6) Seeing the local’s corpses reassures her about the sanctity of life in general (okay) and the importance her own life [?]
7) She goes to Earth and decides to feel joy there and not to become a rotting corpse. [?]
And to make it even worse, there is an unforgettable chapter (can’t find it now) in which Raven has lost control, become a demon and confronts Terra (set in the future). There she admits to trying to kill herself over and over again, only failing due to her demonic powers. I know that the drabbles are unrelated, but it is the same damn character.
You’ve done it. I am actually rooting for Trigon. Eat the bird, eat the world, it’s a free buffet! Just… wipe her out.
**) Why is she so sarcastic? She is an empath and sarcasm (obviously) hurts people. Is she enjoying it?
You say in one chapter that she is treating her friends like dirt because she treats herself like dirt (can’t find it now). I can find no other reason for
| Guest chapter 1 . 8/12/2012
emotional repression, failed love, insecurities, low self-esteem (On a side note: Raven says that BB has the lowest self-esteem while she spends chapters talking about hating herself, treating herself like dirt and not even wanting to have her blood on other people. That goes miles beyond Logan’s weaknesses. Oh, well.)
That is why I like Beast Boy. He is the Swiss Army Knife of characterization, having some vital points in common with all of the main characters. Orphaned child soldier under a difficult mentor with obvious compulsion to help people (Robin). Product of a scientific experiment which saved his life and left him self-conscious about his appearance and the possibility of being a freak (Cyborg) (though that is not shown in the show, it is not much of a far cry). Great joy and energy for life, again, background as a soldier (Starfire). And you just let the knife rust, when you are not tramping on it. Why? This fic is the biggest misuse of his character I have ever seen. The fact that you are trying so hard to make it look respectable and thoughtful with a veneer of pseudo intelligence and that incredibly over-the-top style makes this failure stand out even more starkly.
Cooking a Starfire scene for beginners:
1 portion of Starfire is being cute, but a naïve,
1 portion of Raven being mildly irritated
1 portion of Raven eventually finds deeper truth in her words/ bonding over some superficial common experience/ reflecting upon Starfire’s cheery being
Repeat a dozen times. Well done. Solid, occasionally tedious.
Probably the best done parts, character-wise. Cy’s being a little more mature than usual, managing some bonding with Raven, some romantic undertones (an echo from TBE?). Nothing much to say, solidly done and a pleasant read for the most part. Of course, I have issues with those one-shots, but they overlap with the problems plaguing Raven’s character and intelligence, and the general writing style. It may be because Vic’s character is so generally vague in the show you’d have to try to get it wrong… but I’m probably giving you too little credit.
Well, Raven’s drooling over him. Not much to say there. Of course there is. Their relationship seems to work best when they aren’t in the same room or, God forbid, talking. Raven respects him, is attracted to him, he is borderline attracted to her. Reiterate. But the fun starts when they are having conversations. I remember only two and they both are extremely bizarre.
*) In 86, while she is in a library, Robin encourages Raven to turn off her communicator and take a day off. Reread that. Robin would rather roast his testicles with his right hand while polishing Batman’s shoes with his left while doing a stand up routine with the Joker than allow a Titan to simply turn off her communicator in the middle of the day. Robin’s obsessive and paranoid. It is clear in basically every incarnation he gets . There is a vague explanation that, being an empath, she would know if something was wrong. How? She is feeling everything that is happening in the city? Impossible, her brain would melt. Even if she was somehow capable of feeling the Titan’s emotions over great distance, how could she tell if there is trouble by their emotional signature? If BB dropped a frying pan on his toe, would she rush towards him feeling pain and anxiety? If they went out for pizza and it was special topping Wednesday, would she follow them thinking there was a crime scene to be found by feeling sheer movement and their anticipation? Even better, what if that was something immediate? If somebody contacted them while they are at the Tower and warned about an imminent outside threat, and they’d have to mobilize as quickly as possible, maybe for a travel via the T-Ship, sub or whatever crap they have? How could she tell? The only possible explanation is her mystical mojo bond with Robin, but it was never established that it could be used for communication- not here, not in the show. These may be a little far-fetched, but shouldn’t one of the world’s greatest detectives think three steps ahead and NOT make potentially crippling on-the-spot decisions? It would have made more sense if Robin told her that before she left or the day before, removing her from the roster beforehand and shoving that he’s actually thinking and already making plans how to function without her. Not to mentioned that simply shoving such lax attitude is a blatant OOC for any semi-mature version of Robin.
On a side note, I don‘t really remember much about TBE Robin, as I‘ve read merely 1/6 of the fic. All I recall is that he was extremely dense for not suspecting Noir of being a traitor when he first arrived and suspecting Noir of being a traitor when he was painfully obviously being framed. Not to mention letting him go at one point. While thinking that he indeed was working for Slade. After he had obviously saved them. Maybe he is in character. Very, very stupid character.
*) In chapter 64, Robin tries to console a broken-down Raven after her father’s demise by saying the usual things: she is their friend, they love her, and she has charm. Wait a second. You clearly are trying to have an heart-warming moment, but… come on. First of all, would Robin be the one to say something like that? He could value bravery, loyalty, concern for friends… but charm. Really? It is something most versions of Beast Boy or Cyborg would say. Not to mention that it would be absolutely wrong thing to say. Charm is not a reason to crawl over burning hell, nestle into a demon’s ear as a whale or fight evil red-eyed versions of yourself. It is clear to everyone, I doubt that it would remain hidden to Raven who is supposed to by incredibly intelligent (emphasis on ‘supposed’). That is a very petty attempt to distract a sobbing girl (who is breaking down after victory, nice one, but more on that later on), maybe to follow up with something more profound… no. It works. Raven’s okay. Even the goddamn Malchior put more effort in sweet talking her and that is an episode you seem more than willing to ignore. Either Robin has one hell of a crooning voice or Raven has bipolar disorder. I would understand if she was a little depressed or pensive, but she full-blown crying. She did not cry during the Apocalypse. How broken and exhausted is she there? And how little did it take to recollect her? Isn’t she supposed to be a little harder to sway?
Well, obviously the centre of out attention. If I had to sum up characterization in two words, I’d say: fascinating corpse. More extensively: the largest failure at looking through a character’s eyes I’ve ever seen, although an immensely interesting one. Everything is thrown at the reader, nothing makes sense. Shall we take a look?
She is full of crap. Delivers a lengthy lecture to Aqualad in 69 only to say that he should be more tolerant of his friends and make them understand his view on things. That is almost below the cartoon’s level. Delivers one of the most bizarrely pretentious paragraphs I’ve ever seen in 51, mixing technobable and poor metaphors to talk to Cyborg about ‘feeling numb’.
"Feeling 'numb' can mean anything, Cyborg. It could mean that you're presently bored or stressed over a particular issue in life. And—kind of like a mid-life crisis—you seek a way out of that debacle. And so you….you overanalyze the feelings you have and the level at which you notice your life progressing towards the inevitable mortal leap. And you start to have fears in having less time to do things and less energy to feel them with, and thus it starts to vex you and—like a true ailment—leaves you physically and psychosomatically affected. Thus, a psychobiological sense of 'numbness' best associated with a growing apathy in life that—regardless of your content or despairing condition upon death—will leave you no longer fearing the permanent veil of nonexistence when your life comes to an end—"
Oddly specific (while still ambiguous) ‘analysis’ for something that could mean anything. Why would a random issue in his life trigger existential contemplation? It could happen, but why is it her first line of thought? Why would the feeling of being vexed and fear leave him numb? I imagine it could do so only if it completely mentally exhausted him and then left. Fear and apprehension themselves are great counters to numbness, trust me. But, of course, the character can be only as intelligent as the author. I am sorry, but I must insult you. You are full of crap. I have already complained about endless platitudes and pretentiousness, yet there is still much to say. It will be mostly studied in the ‘writing’ section. But just to give a little taste: in the same chapter Cyborg responds:
“Raven…..two thirds of my nervous system was obliterated in my accident. And ever since then, it's been degrading at a pace of exponential decrease. THAT…..is how I am 'numb'…..you dig?"
Do you even understand what you are saying? Exponential decrease is a function that continuously decreases with a negative power. He has 1/3 of his nerves left, that’s roughly 33 billion. If he started out with losing 1 million per day and the decrease had the basis of 2, he’d stop losing them at all in twenty days. If he started with losing 1 billion per day, he’d stop losing them in a month. And that’s not even talking about basis of 3, 4,… which would quicken things greatly. I think the only way he could still be losing them is if he was originally losing extremely large number of cells and the function had the basis of 2 (it should be a natural number if neurons are viewed as distinct entities). However, under that scenario, he would have already lost them three times over before the Titans were even formed.
Or maybe you are talking about nerves decreasing in an exponential rate. Then, if he started losing two neurons per day and lost twice the amount every following day, he’d be out in thirty
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here, are you, Raven ? It would make so much more sense just to show miniscule attraction and sympathy towards him and his efforts to cheer her up and saying that THAT is the reason why losing BB would sadden Raven (there is no way it could devastate her, not with the current setup). But no, you’re not having any of that. There is actually a chapter (64) in Jack Mirembe’s ‘Mechanics’ where the same thing is said, almost word for word: losing BB would crush Raven. It is not delved deeper into than by saying that he is ‘necessary’ and a constant in her life, yet their mutual romantic interest is made obvious. And how could it be explained otherwise? She is living under the shadow of Apocalypse, experiencing painful visions, struggling with inner demons and (in your version) something akin to survivor’s guilt after Azarath’s downfall, but it’s losing BB that can destroy that? You are almost asking for romance here. Wouldn’t Robin quitting be even a deeper blow to all that they stand for? Wouldn’t any of their friends dying be enough? Are you that desperate for a punch line to write this kind of nonsense? Of course you are.
The last lines from the chapter 47 quote are the last nails in Raven’s coffin. What would you steal from him? It has been established that he has nothing- nothing- sincere and that he is hurting. Hell, it is even said there, black on white. You will not relieve him of his painful mask, give him a chance at sincere happiness under the pretence of another bullshit line of ‘I am the last person in this universe to ever…EVER…steal anything more from him’. Why?
*) There is also a bunk bed moment in chapter 47 I‘d like to mention. Just because it reflects what is wrong with your writing style so well.
“But I think the answer is much more pitiful than that.
Beast Boy has always struck me as someone who is missing something extensive in his life.
Sarcastically—yes, perhaps rudely—I have suggested that he's missing a good many brain cells.
But of course it goes further than that.
It doesn't take an empath to know that there is an element of family torn from Beast Boy's existence.
Whether it's been his mother, his father, both, or a sibling….
I've come to realize that the extra bed space means the resting spot for a ghost or two of some sort.
That Beast Boy never truly wants to sleep alone…..Or think that he is sleeping alone….
Or perhaps he never wants to forget that he is alone.
It could mean anything.
But, simply put, that bunk-bed alone makes Beast Boy's room a creepier place than my domain will ever be.
I don't think he's willing to admit that….not anytime soon….”
A) It is incredibly forced. I don’t think those lines would have seen the light of day if Raven wasn’t making her way through her team-mates’ rooms and you needed a little twist (by the way, nice hypocrisy, courtesy of Raven. Going through other people‘s rooms?). The Occam’s Razor says: BB thought, like most kids, that bunk beds are cool (no wonder it is in the show). Or maybe he wanted to do sleepovers. Anyhow, you could be saying that the mess on his floor is meant to conceal the rotting cadavers of his relatives, just into the bargain. And he eats tofu because cooked meat reminds of his parent’s crispy bodies after the boat explosion. B) It is inconsistent with the basic ideas of the character. BB does not want to forget that he is alone? Are. You. Kidding. Me? He never wants to be alone, and he doesn’t want people around him to feel alone. It is painfully obvious by taking a quick look at his character. Even just considering the possibility is beyond ridiculous. And for God’s sake, I hope nobody is mixing always feeling alone and wanting a reminder that he is always feeling alone. Again, just to provide a little twist, you are willing to destroy any reasonable chance at a consistent characterization. C) It has impossible connotations. You write it as if he was doing it consciously. Would a person like Beast Boy be interested in bedroom symbolism? D) The writing itself. I’ll comment later.
*) Their relationship receives a somewhat silly ending, obviously. It’s chapter 89 and I won’t quote, just mention the obvious issues. Once more, it feels awkwardly artificial. Raven praises him on his leadership skills. Nice ice breaker, although he has not lead anybody at that point . Beast Boy basically surmises some of the things (flirting and being annoying with Terra) you have portrayed, as if he is reading this fic in parallel to being patched up and. Raven says some platitude about change, references nonexistent situation (BB apologizing for everything during Trigon’s invasion). Curtain. Weak, nothing really is resolved, no deeper issues touched, it is just you trying to adjust your fiction’s version of their dynamics to BB’s obvious growth in the show. But could someone have expected something more?
*) Well, there is also one chapter (81) which probably marks, in a way, the lowest point in your attempts to make their relationships non-existent because it intrudes upon… other things. I actually had to do research for that one. It is, by your standards, a fine chapter, mainly because your prose is almost elegant, though at times incorrigibly purple and platitude-ridden. The idea is very clever: having Raven see visions of her alternative self in the comic book universe. Furthermore, there are some great moments (Bart’s soul rattling like a small animal is well-place picture). So, Raven has recently kissed Garfield, and she explains that:
“For I have always been a threat to my team members. Always I have been a doorway to and from a real of unimaginable horror. And now—with a horror of a far stranger sort looming overhead—I feel for the first true time that the one danger that may consume all of my friends is something that does not have its roots in my soul. I no longer have the responsibility of evil—and yet as much as this liberation may seem a blessing, it scares me. For I do not know how to protect my friends from something so dangerous that it has not its origins in me. I have grown desperate, and yet it goes against everything I have meditated to maintain about myself to admit such. But I did admit it—at least to Garfield—when I kissed him for the very first time.
I know he still wanders about it. But my answer—though perhaps not good enough for him—is as true as it ever could possibly be. I did what I wanted to do. And I wanted him to be safe… ..safe with me. Never before did I have the ability to have both things, trust and security with someone else. And I took advantage of it the first moment I could, however selfishly. I feel that—with this 'second chance' I have received, I have every freedom to be just that. Selfish.”
Again, incredibly, incredibly forced effort towards nullifying their relationship. She has never felt like the Titans have been threatened to be wiped out completely by something unrelated to her? Have Titans in DC never met a threat that could destroy them? They have in the show, constantly. But no, this point is needed to explain that she desperately wants to keep others safe, and that is why she kissed Beast Boy. Also, trust. Do you see the missing link? I don’t. It’s a half-assed explanation. Why Garfield? Was it the first moment to be safe and trusting? She had been around for a little while, if I am not mistaken. Why not Victor? When Garfield proposed to forget the kiss in the comic, why didn’t she agree or just brush the issue off until later? It would be the best course of action, if she truly wanted mere security and trust, person being arbitrary. It’s a very half-assed explanation. The fact that they ended up together before the universe being rebooted doesn’t help either.
Oh, we have finally arrived here. ‘Selfish’. The magic word I noticed back when trying (and failing) to wade through TBE. When character’s motivations are unclear, he is being selfish. When the scene needs extra depth, he is being selfish. Never in the normal sense of greed or lust. No, they are selfish about feeling attraction, not letting go, etc. The thing used to lazily fix holes popping up in characterization. Meh.
Furthermore, the ‘great threat’ was, as I understand, Superboy going rogue and shaving his head. I’m still not sure which one is more disturbing . Was it really that horrifying? Don’t heroes either go rogue or die every Tuesday in the comics?
*) Now, if a competent person had to write Beast Boy, it would be somewhat less overblown. He is happy. He is sometimes sad. He is very, very, very happy with being in the Tower. His happiness is sincere, as is his sorrow; he merely acknowledges the former while ignoring and/or hiding the latter. He feels guilt, but not constantly. Inferiority, but not constantly. Shame, but not constantly. They come and go, often unnoticed even by himself. He little idea of introspection and he does not confront his issues, therefore he- and others around him with the possible exception of Raven and maybe Robin- often cannot even recognize them. Raven does not intrude because it would cause more harm than good by bringing up harmful memories (which she doesn‘t know: it could be something incredibly poignant, beyond her capacity to soothe), making him feel like his privacy is being invaded and simply pushing him to do something Logan normally couldn’t and wouldn’t do. Also, the whole ‘he has to do it for himself’ crap. Also, the whole ’it is not place’ crap, which probably would be amongst the more unpersuasive reasons than an omnipotent veto. Causes to intervene would be reaching a breaking point (enter Cyberwraith) or a new level of intimacy (enter romance). Simple, yet so much better than this train wreck. Of course, there is much depth that could be added, but it could work as a backbone.
Not to mention his relationship with Raven that- again- without any romance could plausibly have more dimensions. They are different in as many ways as they are similar. Inner demons, em
| hm chapter 1 . 8/12/2012
It is terrible, interesting, sometimes unreadable (nice style) and very engrossing
DISCLAIMER: Your story obviously takes place in a mix between DC and cartoon's universe. I do not have vast knowledge about the comics, but your characters still seem to stay close to the show, as do the events mentioned. I understand taking artistic license, so I will address only the most painful OOC moments or discrepancies that haunt this piece. Otherwise, this would be even longer than the work itself.
I will treat Raven as a single being in this review. Although the drabbles are unrelated, it is same person everywhere, isn’t it? With some obvious exceptions, that is.
Also, while I have read the whole story at some point, I might have forgotten parts of it. If there are one-shots that respond reasonably to any of my accusations of poor character description, my apologies.
I apologise beforehand for any spelling or grammatical errors that may be committed. Unfortunately, this is not my mother tongue.
The best way to go over this is point by point, picking out the things that are obtrusively atrocious. This is not comprehensive. I have not studied this fic like a book or an essay. These are merely the things that caught my attention. If I- or anybody for that matter- paid it a very close attention, it would probably collapse even more miserably.
1) Beast Boy.
Oh, Lord, what a disaster. I must admit to being a maybe-not-quite-a-little BBRae shipper, yet I usually enjoy their relationship, even without any romantic subtext. The relationship that is awesomely butchered here. You waste no time introducing BB as the secretly (even to himself) embittered wannabe loverboy which Raven cannot stand to be around. Smooth. There is no hint of affection or trust that permeates their bond in the show (besides Raven’s incessant ‘I don’t want to hurt him’, which is what she basically says about all her friends all the time). No wonder I did not notice any hints relating to Malchior, The Beast or Nevermore incident.
Much of this disorder stems from your melodramatic portrayal of BB's personality. Sad clown with an inferiority complex and/or guilt is pretty much standard canvas for Logan's personality. But gees, can it be messed up and overblown, just like so many things in here.
*) Well, the first low point to be looked at is chapter 56 where he begs Raven and later cries later on. Nice characterisation there. He is obviously as emotionally repressed as most Titans (as you show yourself in other entries) - he did not even cry during Terra's demise- yet here you have him sniffing as quickly as possible. Not only that, he spends his time miserably pleading to Raven, although his style is more of cajoling her. It is supposed to be early on in their career and he is younger, but Beast Boy begging instead of coaxing seems to extend to other entries, and crying is too stark of an OOC moment to ignore. Actually, it shows very well how you purposely suck out all charisma and likeability out of the character. You try to portray four of your characters as being more or at least as mature as in the show, yet BB is shown as being more immature and annoying. Why?
*) There is also a small, yet surprisingly terrible moment in chapter 6 between BB and Cyborg.
"Man…gotta suck to die when you're tits are still that small."
"Snnkkkt….oh gawds. Ha ha ha ha!"
What the Hell? Two of the warmest Titans talking like that? It is simply astounding. There are better ways to bring a scene to a culmination than by destroying the integrity of characterization (more on that in the ‘writing’ section).
*) It is his guilt and sadness in which the biggest crimes are committed: not only against BB, but against Raven and the whole team.
“Beast Boy is the greatest epitome of low-self-esteem I've ever seen. His thoughts are practical fireworks in both the daytime and the nighttime. He thinks constantly about parents that he no longer knows nor tries to talk about. He hates himself. Secretly. Softly. Arsenic tears in the shower stall while the water's running. Untold sighs in the backseat of the T-Car. Beast Boy is sad. Very sad. (..)”
“It has never been my place to try and alter the way my teammates are. I have no problems with it myself. I would be glad for Beast Boy to find other ways to address his secret hurts than by joking all the time. And I would quietly revel in Cyborg losing some of his insecurity…and Robin lightening up….and Starfire showing some righteous anger for once.
But is not my place.
The Titans don't know it….
They don't know it all…..but….
I am their biggest burden.” (chapter 30)
Obvious question: How does she know about his parents? She's an empath, not a telepath. Is she secretly entering his mind?
Obvious question: In what way is Starfire not showing her righteous anger? She isn’t holding any emotions back, ever. Furthermore, she uses that damn anger to fuel the star bolts. Raven, you were in her body. How can you not… oh, whatever, there are bigger flaws to address.
It’s absolutely ridiculous. She knows her team-mates’ anguish in great detail, yet she does nothing about it because… she is their burden? Shouldn’t she feel indebted, guilty, shameful in front of them, try to make up for it? Actually, in some entries, she does feel like that, yet those are the ones when she conveniently isn‘t thinking about implications. Who am I kidding, she- you -never is. She has incredible, unexplainable privy to her friends’ minds, even for somebody who reads emotions, and she does nothing because… it is not her place? Why? Will she one day stop healing them on the battlefield because, for some reason, ‘it is not her place’ to invade their lives with her powers? I can only think of Cyberwraith9’s ‘Adaptation’ where Raven (who is probably even less sympathetic to Beast Boy at that point then this version) openly confronts Garfield about Terra’s betrayal after entering his mind (because there is no way in hell anybody could be that intimate with other‘s thoughts without visiting their head) and his constant aversion towards expressing sorrow. I won’t quote the scene, but its crux consisted of lines ‘It’s not your fault’ and ‘You must feel bad or you will never feel good again’. That’s it. Simple and beautiful, and it would have worked between any reasonably written versions of those two. And that’s what Raven- even a more bitter and hateful version- would do for her friends. Yet here- even after saying that she does not want to hurt him- she is constantly choosing the way which results in sorrow and melodramatic tears in the shower (might be a little OOC), because she has no problems with it. Is Raven really that dense? Or is she just a terrible person?
Poll says: terrible person. Just like the rest of the Titans.
Everybody knows it. But nobody knows it. For we deal with the jester. (..)
And at the same time, it makes us happy for life.
Beast Boy is absurd. And in his absurdity, he reminds us all of the lovingly stupid people we are risking our necks for each and every day. Without Beast Boy on the team, there'd be no excuse four our incessant 'meatball' crime fighting ”
And to think of Beast Boy leaving the team—it would devastate me. Simply because that would be a defeat in my eyes of all that we've fought for. The only reason Beast Boy would leave the team would be if he horribly, terribly lost the last shred of conceivable faith in himself. And the only way that would happen—I imagine—would be for one of us to die.
One has to be honest.
I shuffle across the room.
I come to a stop by his desk.
I glance down.
An aged toy monkey with cymbals sits-grinning-by a pencil holder.
I pick the furried thing up and turn it over in my hand.
I place the toy monkey back down.
For whatever absurdity randomly inspires me, I 'pat its head' before turning around and making my shuffling exit.
I could do without an annoying Beast Boy.
But—as preachy as I may be—I am the last person in this universe to ever…EVER…steal anything more from him.
No matter how much he might hurt himself with what he 'has'. (chapter 47)
Quit the team, Beast Boy. Quit it. Seriously.
It is obvious that you are trying to explain the keeping of the status quo despite everyone knowing about BB’s inner turmoil (even Starfire? Weird). And my, is it disgusting. Also, it doesn’t make any sense, but I wouldn’t expect anything different at this point.
They are all allowing him to live in a self-delusional state just because it makes themselves feel good about what they do? It is insane, cruel and twisted. It is a form of delayed psychological torture which can only result in an inevitable mental breakdown. How could their friends- I’m not even talking about Raven exclusively- treat him as a cross between a pet and a motivational poster? It goes against everything the Teen Titans are. I could only imagine a very dark version of Robin entertaining BB’s status because it is necessary for team morale, not all of them. And how is he making them feel good about heroism anyway? By being lively? Is that a joke? Of course not, then it would be funny. They could not carry on without this reminder? Are they so incredibly, irredeemably weak? Have they no moral compass or sense of worth by themselves? What kind of Titans are they? They are being crueller than any of the villains and basically knowing it.
Also, there could be a thousand reasons for him to quit the team. Rejoining the Doom Patrol, joining the JL (could happen), getting sick of vigilantism, accidentally killing somebody, intentionally killing somebody, losing control of his animal instincts, deciding to renew his acting career, getting sick of Robin’s attitude, getting sick of Raven (you yourself have established that he is feeling bitterness towards her), deciding to become an astronaut and colonizing the goddamn Sun, you name it . He has quit one team already. You aren’t being very bright h