Reviews for Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality
Majerus chapter 110 . 7/18/2019
bother, I do hope that the Elder wand does not consider Tom as having defeated Albus :/
Guest chapter 110 . 4/22/2017
... Oops.
The Anguished One chapter 110 . 9/20/2016
That was a fun conversation, though it does mean that the Mirror's likely last line of defense just had to stop itself. Now there shouldn't be anything else to stop Voldemort...
b chapter 110 . 4/1/2016
Hello! Sorry to disturb you, but there is a "Mirrror" in the chapter.

The story and rationality both are great, I'm just re-re-reading it :).
Montara chapter 110 . 1/27/2016
Albus choose to disappear to save Harry since he was the one who could really kill Voldemort :(
Kabs chapter 110 . 7/15/2015
Holy shit.
You are such an incredibly good author
Anastasoula chapter 110 . 6/25/2015
Of my fucking god. So MUCH.
Love the story of Perenelle.
DesperateReader chapter 110 . 6/14/2015
WAAAAAAHHHHH!
PA chapter 110 . 5/25/2015
x.x
missmawwie chapter 110 . 5/23/2015
only 7 to go
tH1s chapter 110 . 4/8/2015
hahhahhaha...

What a twist but the massive info-dumping is giving me a headache.
ntalcenent chapter 110 . 3/29/2015
Excellent buildup, looking forward to the next chapters!
CMVreud chapter 110 . 3/18/2015
And just as they are speaking, somewhere up there in the upper parts of the chapter, I have this crazy feeling of a magical Matrix. With the 'other' Quirrel and Riddle being the simulation but you can't be sure, because it's the Matrix ON MAGIC so more an alternate universe or something so... damn, my head hurts.
Also, a nice endplay, there, at the end, but damn if one wouldn't have expected that.
PrometheusII chapter 110 . 3/5/2015
Wow.
Before going on to read the next chapters, I must comment.
Just Wow. There was no unneccessary sentence in this chapter... Dumbledore's dilemma, the hopeless situation, and the incredible pressure to make SUCH a decision in mere seconds.. it felt incredible to read about this.
This story is about rationality. But would Harry, the rationalist, been able to make such an decision?
Dumbledore's morals - or whatever guided him in this situation - made it possible to him to act quickly, decisively, where Harry would have needed time to think.
Kulyok chapter 110 . 3/5/2015
Quirrell: But perhaps the real me is completely, utterly, irredeemably evil in an interestingly different fashion from what I was pretending with Voldemort -
Reader: Yes, yes, YES?
Dumbledore: Don't care.
Reader: Damn!
Zidanetribal93 chapter 110 . 3/3/2015
Who is Topherius Chang?
BesGranits chapter 110 . 3/2/2015
I have a question about chapter 110: how does Voldemort even escape whatever curse Dumbledore put by using invisibility cloak? Harry could feel the curse starting to take effect while being under invisibility cloak.
Also, considering that it has been mentioned how the mirror was created in a way to make the end of the world impossible to bring about through its use, I think it would be nice if Harry won in chapter 114, but then got the world destroyed exactly though using this mirror, proving that Voldemort has been right all along :) Of course, the prophecy can mean many things, and tearing stars is likely metaphorical and not necessarily means something bad. It might mean the end of the world as we know it, and the line about stars in heaven could mean that since no one dies anymore, no on believes in heaven anymore. There is also no proof it's about Harry.
GregTD chapter 110 . 2/28/2015
You know, while you're allowed to ask the reader to suspend disbelief, it's bad for to demand that we hang it from the neck until it's dead, dead, dead.

At the point when it became clear that anything reflected in the mirror was trapped, a rational Harry Potter would grab onto his invisibility cloak with a death grip. End of Voldemort.

What happened instead was pathetic and stupid. Very disappointing.
name chapter 110 . 2/28/2015
if phoenixes maybe come from the mirror can't fawkes rescue dumbledore?
mutecebu chapter 110 . 2/28/2015
I kept expecting Harry to invoke his mastery over the elder cloak and make him visible at the critical moment. Ah well.
PromisesPromises chapter 110 . 2/28/2015
Yay! Harry fulfilled his promise to Draco!
SimonJester chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
Well, the Mirror of Noitilov is showing Voldemort his desires taken to their logical conclusion. Voldemort [i]believes[/i] that Flamel is about to be assassinated. That doesn't mean it's true.

I mean, Voldemort's basic evil is tied to the sheer arrogance of being the smartest man in his generation, in a rather foolishly organized world, with a basic personality that has absolutely zero tolerance for fools.

But just because he's the smartest Dark Wizard to graduate from Hogwarts (or even anywhere in the world) between, oh, 1925 and 1960 doesn't mean he's the smartest Dark Wizard in all of history. And yet it is nearly impossible that Voldemort would even imagine that someone else could have enough aces in the hole to foil his assassination plan. Not when he, the smartest wizard in the world, had gone to great lengths to make it work!

So having the Mirror's Dumbledore confirm that Voldemort has killed Flamel is arguably more of the same. It's the same kind of strawman "oh no, how could you succeed so perfectly in everything you set out to do" nonsense that Voldemort himself pulls on Harry a scene or two later. And probably just as much of a trap, I still think.

Another thought on the same subject:

For that matter, I'm not sure even Harry Potter would make a good enough hostage to convince MoR!Dumbledore to commit de facto suicide rather than defeat Voldemort once and for all.

Yudkowsky went to considerable lengths to establish that Dumbledore is no longer willing to submit to Voldemort's blackmail, not after what happened to his brother.

Further evidence for this being a sort of strawman Dumbledore as envisioned by the Mirror's reflection of Voldemort's extrapolated intentions.
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As to the question of why the Mirror's Dumbledore didn't vanish when Voldemort put on the cloak of invisibility- as I understand it the Mirror creates pocket dimensions, not illusions. The things in the mirror [i]exist[/i] in some meaningful sense. There is no reason to assume they just mysteriously pop out of existence when the person that 'conjured' them is out of the picture for a moment.

Especially if the pocket dimension in question is a specially reinforced and tailored trap for Voldemort; Dumbledore may have done the equivalent of sticking a 'permanency spell' on it.
12321 chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
OH GODDAMNIT DUMBLEDORE
Atavistic chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
Ah, so that's his plan. Replace some/most/all humans with Tom Riddle clones. That's QUITE a call back, all the way to the first army fight and Herm's retort that HP thinks only people like him have the right to exist. There's a question of whether some humans will remain as a slave sub-class, Herm's presence is a soft indicator towards yes, but a lot of things say no.
Jonathan chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
I'm with SimonJester: Flamel should be extremely hard to kill. After all, he (she?) knows he possesses an artifact that many would kill to possess, and has had six hundred years to devise defenses. I, in that position, would probably transfigure myself into someone else and create a fake Flamel as a decoy. But in any event, given his hoard of knowledge it's likely that not even Voldemort himself could kill him, and certainly impossible for a flunky.
Consider, for instance, that it took Voldy months to disable the alarms Dumbledore created in what, days? a week? How long would it take to disable six hundred years worth? And Voldemort had access to the alarms in Hogwarts, unlike those surrounding Flamel.
We've got a fairly significant hole here.
nlspeednl chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
By the way, if Voldemort dies now, I guess we can say goodbye to the hostages and all, so... He'll probably live.
Entraya chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
These frequent updates makes me feel like a spoiled kid.
cruet chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
I believe that is a fake version of Dumbledore - with Voldermort just getting what he desires.

I mainly think that because in chapter 109 we have this passage about if Dumbledore knows that Harry is a copy of Voldermort/Tom.

Voldermort believes he must because it is obvious.
Harry thinks there is blatant evidence he has not.

Only Harry has seen this evidence because it's private interactions between Dumbledore and Harry - so Harry seems more likely to be correct. However the Dumbledore in the mirror agrees with Voldermort.

I can not believe I created an account solely to make this post. I'm so very happy it started up -and this chapter a day thing is fabulous.
GrumpyGrue chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
Dumbledore was banished to the Phantom Zone?
jtheory chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
I haven't read the original HP books (just part of the first one, I think, long ago?); and certainly can't read them now - not until HPMoR is completed, anyway, for fear of spoilers. Eh, it's bound to be a poor shadow of the fanfic, anyway.
Diablo Snowblind chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
Shit is going down. Though I am getting tired of seeing Quirrel winning and playing One Level Higher. He needs a good kick in the balls.
782782 chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
Well. Like most of the people here, I'd have to say that this was unexpected.

Provided that I haven't misunderstood the workings of the Mirror, the fact that Dumbledore-in-the-Mirror didn't disappear when Lord Voldemort's reflection vanished indicates that it wasn't an alternate Dumbledore only produced by Lord Voldemort looking in the Mirror but, rather, the real-world Dumbledore. The way Dumbledore didn't anticipate that Lord Voldemort would have the only artefact that could possibly save him from the Mirror, thanks to Harry's stupidity, is hardly a matter of Dumbledore holding the Idiot Ball. Dumbledore sounding so harsh, especially him laughing at Lord Voldemort's misfortune, sounds like more like Lord Voldemort's image of Dumbledore than the real one—an impression which is added to by the way he is investigating Flamel's death and he is in the Mirror at the same time, and also by the way he only cares about Flamel as a treasury of magical secrets rather than as a human being—but unless I have misunderstood then it does seem that the one who has just been imprisoned was the real Dumbledore.

But there is now no good reason—no good reason at all—for Lord Voldemort to do anything other than take out his semiautomatic handgun (not the Killing Curse, MoR-Lord Voldemort isn't stupid enough to try that) and shoot Harry Potter dead right now. He shouldn't hesitate or make further conversation or anything else of that sort, and he's too intelligent to make that mistake after Harry himself has just had a conversation with him about exactly that. That especially applies now that he knows that Dumbledore, a man who might or might not have foreseen something with a prophecy and who is not as stupid as he pretends to be, honestly believes that Harry can defeat Lord Voldemort. It REALLY especially applies when Dumbledore has just done something unpredictable with his wand, which, whether or not Lord Voldemort knows it is the Elder Wand, should make him want to act NOW rather than obligingly waiting for Harry to have a chance to save the day. Even testing that the Philosopher's Stone is the real Philosopher's Stone (which should be as easy as just taking a piece of his robes, transfiguring it into a hamster or something and casting a spell at it—'Finite', 'Untransfiguro' or whatever—to undo any temporary transfiguration) can wait. If it turns out not to be the real Stone, he can transfigure Harry's corpse into a chewing gum wrapper, stuff it in his pocket and later search it at his leisure (which he should probably do anyway). He has already arranged the defeat of several Hogwarts teachers almost trivially and it should be no difficulty for him to search Harry's room should he so desire; unless Flitwick is much more powerful than McGonagall it really doesn't seem, judging by the scene where he overpowered McGonagall and several Aurors in less than a minute, that there is ANYONE in Hogwarts who can stop him in a fight. Harry might be able to deduce where the real Stone is if Lord Voldemort has a false one, but that possibility is not worth the absolutely deadly threat of letting Harry stay alive at this point. So at this point I would assert that the only realistic outcome is that Lord Voldemort wins. I expect that in-universe he'll now wait and not kill Harry for some contrived reason, because out-of-universe of course we know that the bad guys won't win, but I don't think that is realistic. Partial transfiguration and whatever other gimmicks are not proof against MoR-Lord Voldemort turning around and pulling the trigger right now as soon as he possibly can, which, unless he has turned back into canon-Lord Voldemort (perpetually suffering from Bahl's Stupefaction), he will surely do.

Albus Dumbledore (whether the real-world one or Lord Voldemort's image of one) ought to know this—which makes his choice so baffling. He might or might not be capable of matching Lord Voldemort in this story as he is in canon, but the real-world Dumbledore has a brain and we already know he is fully capable of making hard but utilitarian-correct decisions, even when they involve the lives of children, whereas Lord Voldemort's image of Dumbledore would surely not be a stupid altruist who cared more about slightly prolonging Harry's life than about defeating Lord Voldemort—so EITHER WAY he should banish Harry rather than himself. Banishing himself rather than Harry at this point makes no sense. Dumbledore might well be unsure whether he can defeat Lord Voldemort (not imprison him in a frozen moment and thus deal with him forever, but at least stand a chance of killing Quirrell and thus damaging Lord Voldemort's plans) but unless he's really gone senile he ought to know that Harry certainly can't (not least because Harry has just TOLD HIM so); he ought to know that at this point Lord Voldemort WILL just kill Harry immediately and there's nothing Harry can do about it. He, being a wizard immensely skilled in magic, might even be able to figure out a way to rescue Harry from the Mirror later, whereas there's no chance of doing that the other way round. Dumbledore has just been handed an Idiot Ball, more specifically an Idiotic Pointless Self-Sacrifice Ball. That is, unless Dumbledore knows that whatever he has done just before his imprisonment will somehow save Harry's life or prevent Lord Voldemort from getting the Stone.

I do hope that there will be a way this somehow turns out to make sense. But as it stands, it looks like a contrived way of turning the climax of the story into a final battle-of-minds between Harry and Lord Voldemort which Harry will win, at the expense of the story making sense.

There's also the matter that Harry himself has made an utterly wrong decision without noticing it. He has, implicitly, chosen the lives of a few hundred Hogwarts students (and, especially, himself) over all the people in the world who will die if Lord Voldemort rises again. Lord Voldemort has (foolishly) gone to the trouble of informing Harry of this (noting that his actions have caused the deaths of a significant proportion of the TOTAL wizarding population), so he has no excuse not to know. If he stops cooperating right now, he will die and (he believes) several hundred Hogwarts students will die, and Lord Voldemort will be set back from killing a lot more people than that. As it happens, he looks like a little kid terrified for his own life and therefore selfishly helping the villain out of petty cowardice. That's an understandable characterisation, but it makes the reader very much inclined to view him with contempt rather than regarding him as any sort of hero, especially when his actions lead to the perpetual imprisonment of a far more laudable character (Albus Dumbledore). In all honesty, canon-Harry would be better in this position than MoR-Harry; canon-Harry would be willing to die rather than help Lord Voldemort whereas MoR-Harry, though far cleverer, doesn't have a spine when it counts; he's willing to face a chance of death but not certain death for the sake of other human beings.

I'm honestly not sure whether it is intentional that the reader should feel such contempt for the protagonist at this point. At the time MoR-Harry rescued Bellatrix from Azkaban without even checking that Quirrell was telling the truth (canon-Harry might not have known who Bayes was but was far less thick when it really mattered, and didn't just immediately believe that Black was innocent until he had confirmation) I presume we WERE intended to feel that, but at this point I can't tell.

Either way, it was enjoyable reading this chapter; I'm just concerned that I don't see how the next one can possibly avoid dumping plausibility out of the window to prevent the bad guy from winning in the end.
Shay McSudonim chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
So, how long until Harry starts wondering if the mirror is aware of its own existence?
Archangel12575 chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
I cannot believe that Albus Dumbledore would be caught monologuing.
Me chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
I'm like 90% sure Dumbledore was just a reflection of Quirrel's desires... that'd be AWESOME
badkidoh chapter 110 . 2/25/2015
Wow. another great chapter.
Also I show not your face but your coherent extrapolated volition? is that right?

Also I wonder how and how soon Hermione will be back. also if that is really Dumbledore and he some how wins I don't see him helping Hermione come back.
wallops chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Clever. So when Riddle told Harry in Parseltongue that the hostages were real, he wasn't referring to the whole school, just the group of student/teachers Harry he'd acquired... Probably. If so, he's just shown his hand to Harry, at the very least, if not Dumbledore as well. Nicely done.
I found the perspective of this chapter particularly suspect - detailing very little of what Harry goes through (with one or two obvious exceptions, the "great feeling of power" being the most notable). It wouldn't surprise me if I were proven completely wrong in the very first sentence of the next chapter, but I think that Dumbledore was never in the mirror, and was merely the Victory that Riddle wished to see... Hmmm.
What has caught my eye the most in these last few chapters (well, that's mostly a lie haha everything in these last few chapters has caught my eye) is that the mirror was crafted not to destroy the world; it makes me wonder how that ties into the second prophecy, exactly and whether it will break rather than relinquish the stone (since it seems like a very good way for Riddle (or even Harry) to more or less take over the world/ end it) - not likely, but hey.
Just a thought (it's been a really long time since I read the whole thing, and I only ever managed that once) but did anything happen with "Lily Evans' Potion book" or is Harry still carrying that around in his pouch? I remember thinking the hilarious giant rock could have been a great distraction to make the reader forget Dumbledore's Other Bizarre Present. And have we made certain the voice telling Harry to find and befriend a girl named Hermione Granger was, definitely, Professor McGonagall and not the result of Crazy Time Travel Shenanigans and/or Demension Hopping? Loose ends! Loose ends everywhere! And most of them unlikely to be addressed in the next chapter if at all - but that's okay. I am really digging these mini, rapid-fire chapters - the anticipation is intense, but kept relatively brief, building towards the finale.
Looking forward to it, whatever happens :)
Azjerban chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Oh.
And yet, Harry now has access to the Mirror of Noitilov.
We should not be surprised when his coherent extrapolated volition is more than adequate.
hologramSummer chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Okay. This whole confrontation came out of left field, and that's fine, having a final confrontation between two great and powerful characters happen suddenly can actually be really cool. But this is terrible. We are rapidly introduced to a concept, then the counter, and we are in a situation where that counter can immediately happen. We just get the idea that maybe something interesting is happening, and then told no nothing worth noting happens, there's no tension and no intrigue, just a speedy resolution to a problem. Since the problem and it's solution are both entirely fabricated, this is really bad.
Lendary chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
"I wonder how you felt when you saw what Tom Riddle could have become, if he had grown up in a loving family?" Ouch. That was harsh. Though I suppose he did torture your brother to death.
Guest chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Dumbledore should know that Quirrell is Voldemort, since he used the Map to look for Tom Riddle.

This Dumbledore doesn't know, so he is fake. What happened here should be the Mirror showing Voldemort what he wants to see.
breathofmidnight chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Can your Quirrel be real please?

I need to marry him...
emdashing chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Well played! Looking forward to what's next.
mike chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
I hope there's something more going on here because this is the first chapter that I've found myself really disappointed with both the characterization and writing.

1: AD is insane in this reality, but not stupid. I just don't see him giving such a long monologue that answers how to get out of the trap like that.
2: The cloak is supposed to be an ancient artifact that protects you from death (or whatever). It is not very protective if a basic summoning charm can remove it. Plus, that's one of the canon powers we know it has, and while canon has been greatly broken, it seems odd to give it a great power boost and then build in a fatal flaw that JKR had anticipated. I thought a major element of this was to show a lot of those flaws in JKRs (great) story.
3: Why wouldn't harry have held onto the cloak? If your goal is to end voldy, and AD just explained how he has done so, and not 10 minutes earlier voldy had explained that the one way to stop ADs plan was to be wearing the cloak, you'd think that harry would at least think "Maybe I should do what I can to make sure he can't somehow get the cloak from me."
Rusty Weasley chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Wow. You are really keeping me engaged. Thanks.
santamonica811 chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Didn't like this chapter. We're supposed to believe that AD has this brilliant plan to trap Vol/Q. But instead of just letting the spell unfold without any warning, AD does the monologuing, to tell VQ exactly what he needs to do (ie, somehow become non-reflective to the mirror), and giving VQ plenty of time to effect such a change.

What should have happened: . . . if it had no longer been reflecting him. "Interesting."
Dumbledore: (actually lying). Tom, you cannot escape this spell. No one can leave your room, disillusioning will not fool the mirror, and I cannot stop the process. The spell will take effect in exactly 90 minutes. (again, a lie, of course). Now, in the 1.5 hours we have left, let's talk about your life, Tom."

What actually happened:
Dumbledore: I have trapped you, Tom. Bwah, ha, ha. Here is exactly what will next happen. And here is the only way you will be saved (ie, become invisible to the mirror). Even though you are the second-most powerful wizard around, and even though I have no idea what powers you have learned over the past 10 years, I feel comfortable telling you what you would have needed to do to escape your fate. Again, bwah ha, ha, hahahahahaha.

The sort of idiocy that is required to do these sorts of monologues was lampooned brilliantly in the movie "The Invincibles." And, to a lesser/funnier degree, in the first "Austin Powers" movie. It seems so out of character for Dumbledore, it took me right out of the story when I read it today.

Hopefully, the subsequent chapters will be better in terms of keeping faithful to the characters.
Ewing chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Yay, Quirrell! Glad he made it so far. Always found Dumbledore annoying, although this version is still nicer than the one who let Harry live with abusive people with zero attempt to interfere.
amortentially chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
When I reached the end of this chapter, I just stared at the screen for a few seconds in horror. In an earlier part of this chapter I was downright furious at Dumbledore - his refusing to accept any modicum of responsibility for how Riddle turned out (it might just be my assumptions and misconceptions but really, turning him away coldly as he's begging on his knees and lecturing him, then seeing no error in his actions? I can't see Dumbledore acting so arrogantly and having absolutely no remorse or regret whatsoever) and sacrificing James and Lily, which was terrible (and yet, if I'm honest, somewhat believable when I consider HPMOR AD's experiences and characterization; he sees a necessity now in sacrificing people after the ordeal with his brother, so James and Lily wouldn't have been spared from his sacrificing either... I'm surprised he'd put a baby at risk, but he did believe the prophecy was an indicator of Harry being destined to battle Voldemort at some point in the future, and he seems to not be careless and disregarding when it comes to prophecies) REALLY annoyed me and made me lose respect for him. Now, he's... trapped for an ETERNITY? There's some irony to be found from the fact that he, who was unafraid of death, can now never escape it... If he genuinely is trapped forever I think I might cry.

I'm starting to have hope that it wasn't really him in the mirror. It actually does seem in character for him to go back on his beliefs with such little time to think and sacrifice himself for someone so innocent and with such great potential as Harry, but EVERYTHING mirror!maybereal!Dumbledore did seems more in-character to what Quirrelmort expects of Dumbledore than it does to how he's been shown to act thus far. Is it possible that the Mirror showed Quirrelmort merely what he wished to see? Surely Dumbledore admitting to Quirrelmort that Voldermort's refusal of Death has rendered him immortal, Quirrelmort getting the chance to tell Dumbledore things he's been waiting to say for many long years, and then Dumbledore being tricked into making a very elaborate plan of his backfire and result in a terrible, terrible fate for himself - surely all of that is one of Quirrelmort's greatest desires, maybe even his greatest desire in the exact moment his true, unConfounded mindset was caught by the mirror?

I also just can't believe that Dumbledore would say, "like a dumb animal that cannot understand it is being sent away."

As much as I wish that Dumbledore won't be doomed to that awful existence, there is one huge, elephant-sized problem with the possibility of mirror!Dumbledore being what Quirrelmort just wanted to see.

"How I laughed when I realised it! When I saw you had made a Good Voldemort to oppose the evil one - ah, how I laughed!"

Assuming that realization was what made Dumbledore laugh so much in Chapter 17 - and say to himself, "Oft evil will shall evil marr," which certainly fits with the realization of Harridle's existence - as far as I know, Quirrelmort's mind is completely unaware of Dumbledore's laughter, unless he used Legilimency on Harry after his meetings with Dumbledore and then Obliviated him, which I doubt he could've gotten away with. This puts a very large hole in my hypothesis. I can only think of one solution besides Quirrelmort relying on Obliviations that would not result in a plot hole.

Solution: Harriddle has the same whatever-magic-defines-as-a-soul that Quirrel does, and the Mirror utilizes all the information that the particular whatever-magic-defines-as-a-soul that walked in front of the mirror first knows. If the Mirror knows all that Harridle knows, though, then I can't see mirror!Dumbledore behaving completely like that, if it was based on BOTH of their misconceptions. Unless it only uses the desire of the first MIND that walks in front of it, and utilizes the information from the whatever-magic-defines-as-a-soul only to help aid that desire...?

Well, I guess I'll - hopefully - find out the answers to my questions tomorrow. This is such a thought-provoking, amazing fic!
transparentesgrau chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
So, how to get rid of Voldemort?

1) Memory magic works on Voldemorts soul, even if he inhabits another body.
2) The stone makes transfiguration permanent.

In canon at least, IIRC, getting transfigured into an animal, carries the risk of losing yourself to the animals brain and instincts.
It wouldnt surprise me, if rewiring the neural network to make up new memories counts as transfiguration for the purpose of making them permanent with the stone.

From there we have a lot of similar but in detail different solutions, that mostly boil down to;
Transfigure Voldemort (Polyjuice, Transfiguration, make him go snake- Animagi himself) and make it permanent.
Then maybe cast a bunch of memory charms if that counts for the stone.
If you feel nice, give him the body of a child (limited magic power?). If not, make him an unassuming object like a stone and give him false memories so his soul doesnt try to abandon the stone ("Oh. I was always a stone? How strange. But for some reason I really find it fun to sit around doing nothing all day." Yes, that is basically "murder" in all but the actual killing sense, but Harry already decided he wouldnt play Batman if he doesnt find another way and people die - which the centaur at least did)
Then use the stone and make it permanent.
You now have an immortal Voldemort that doesnt know he is Voldemort and doesnt want to be Voldemort and sits around doing nothing bad for the rest of eternity.

Of course that would leave the "partial transfiguration" - gun unfired.

So the other possibility is to first partially transfigure Quirrelmort into a harmless mess (harry can partially transfigure parts of the brain. Good luck moving your hands/mouth/think about spells with your brain not working properly), then take your time deciding whatever form you want him to have for the rest of eternity.
And we have seen Harry do that one in a matter of seconds with the troll, so we know he can do it on his own.
An0m1e chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
So, how to get rid of Voldemort?

1) Memory magic works on Voldemorts soul, even if he inhabits another body.
2) The stone makes transfiguration permanent.

In canon at least, IIRC, getting transfigured into an animal, carries the risk of losing yourself to the animals brain and instincts.
It wouldnt surprise me, if rewiring the neural network to make up new memories counts as transfiguration for the purpose of making them permanent with the stone.

From there we have a lot of similar but in detail different solutions, that mostly boil down to;
Transfigure Voldemort (Polyjuice, Transfiguration, make him go snake- Animagi himself) and make it permanent.
Then maybe cast a bunch of memory charms if that counts for the stone.
If you feel nice, give him the body of a child (limited magic power?). If not, make him an unassuming object like a stone and give him false memories so his sould doesnt try to abandon the stone ("Oh. I was always a stone? How strange. But for some reason I really find it fun to sit around doing nothing all day." Yes, that is basically "murder" in all but the actual killing sense, but Harry already decided he wouldnt play Batman if he doesnt find another way and people die - which the centaur at least did)
Then use the stone and make it permanent.
You now have an immortal Voldemort that doesnt know he is Voldemort and doesnt want to be Voldemort and sits around doing nothing bad for the rest of eternity.

Of course that would leave the "partial transfiguration" - gun unfired.

So the other possibility is to first partially transfigure Quirrelmort into a harmless mess (harry can partially transfigure parts of the brain. Good luck moving your hands/mouth/think about spells with your brain not working properly), then take your time deciding whatever form you want him to have for the rest of eternity.
And we have seen Harry do that one in a matter of seconds with the troll, so we know he can do it on his own.
SimonJester chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Wouldn't count Dumbledore out just yet? Sensible; there is good reason to think that this is exactly what the Mirror would show Voldemort- and that the trap is yet to come.

For that matter, I wouldn't count *Flamel* out just yet. The fan speculation I've heard boils down to one of three possibilities: either Voldemort is essentially right and Flamel is actually Perenelle, Voldemort is wrong and Flamel is just another wizard who invented the Philosopher's Stone, or Voldemort is wrong and Baba Yaga is Flamel, having rendered Perenelle immortal out of love.

In the third case, 'Flamel' is an immensely powerful wizard in his/her own right. And the third case is arguably the most likely- it passes Occam's Razor rather better than "Flamel and his wife Perenelle are actually the same person despite being seen in the same place at the same time." Assuming Voldemort actually has reason to think Perenelle ever had an affair with Baba Yaga at all, then, there's a good chance that Baba Yaga is Flamel. And legendary dark wizard Baba Yaga, who dates back to a time near the founding of Hogwarts, is probably far, far more dangerous than any assassin Voldemort could send- with the possible exception of Voldemort himself.

In the first case, 'Flamel' may not be powerful, but Perenelle still possesses great reserves of cunning, treachery, and presumably a considerable array of magical aces-in-the-hole. This would seem to be purely predictable, given that his/her rise to immortality began precisely through such treachery, cunning, and the exploitation of a loophole in a magical artifact. Perenelle/Flamel furthermore knows that she/he is only 'immortal' in the sense of 'can revive,' and would take considerable precautions to become hard to kill by normal means, if only to make sure of being able to make it to the Philosopher's Stone in an emergency.

The second case is actually the one where Voldemort would be most likely to succeed in killing Flamel by proxy... but that's the one that no truly intelligent person in the MoR-canon believes, the one where Flamel just happened to correctly manufacture a unique and supremely magical artifact that no one could ever duplicate before or since, even using superior tools. What are the odds?
Pave chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Madeye Moody can see Harry with his magical eye through the cloak of invisibility. That eye is a very powerful magical artifact. Can Dumbledore see Harry? Did this plot twist really surprise him?
What really is the power of the mirror? Dumbledore has been using it to gin up his plots. Was that really Dumbledore getting timewarped, or a feint, a fake, a bit of stage magic? The mirror must have a very interesting history, unless Dumbledore is the first to master it.
Quirrellmort now feels very confident. What is their (Harry's and Tom's) coherent extrapolated volition?
Space Lightning chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Nicely played. I wonder at Harry's reaction to all of this.
Vlx chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Somehow it feels like too much of a mistake for Dumbledore.
He knew that the true Cloak is the one and only thing, that can hide one from being reflected in a mirror.
He must have known for he has so much time to test it while setting the Ultimate trap for Voldemort. He also values Harry more than any other person because he have some plans for him to become what Tom he thinks should have became.
So i find it highly unlikely that he would not check if Harry is safe. And even more, he would under no condition let Harry to have the Cloak - the only thing that can disrupt his trap.
So i agree with the version that this was not true Dumbledore. Or it would be quite disappointing.
Mizu25 chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
So Dumbledore sent himself Outside of Time when he saw Harry was now reflected in the mirror and about to receive that fate? I'll admit that's a nice workabout oldy Voldy found for the trap. I also agree that Dumbledore is rather hypocritical to say that Nicholas Flamel can be immortal but Voldy can't.
mgharmon chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
"I have often felt you ought to know this, but we have never had the chance to talk frankly."

Dumbledore is not "out of play", the whole chapter was V's wish-a direct and personal victory against the teacher who refused him. Evidence, beyond V's statement above? The Dumbledore we see here is too cold, calculating, the mirror is modeling Dumbledore as Voldemort sees him. I'm pretty sure V will figure this out pretty quickly.
Guest chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
That Dumbledore seemed to be more Voldemort's version of Dumbledore, rather than what Dumbledore really is. Since we just saw Voldemort's version of Dumbledore's family, couldn't this be that sort of thing?
CFAzaka chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
So... The Cloak of Invisibility is Harry's. No one else should be able to use it without his permission or death. Unless, like the Marauder's Map, it can't tell the difference between Harry and Voldemort. If that is true then Harry can certainly use Voldemort's horcrux network, which would explain how he could be 'The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord ...' since the semi-dead Voldemort could see things from the perspective of his horcruxes. If the resurrection stone allows Harry's spirit to fly free he could tell others the locations of all the existing horcruxes and any new ones Voldemort created. This is a little weak, and I'd appreciate a detailed explanation of why magic can't tell them apart (although the resonance between them does hint at this.)

I agree that Dumbledore had to be taken out of play, and like that there is an option for Harry to get him back eventually, although he could have tossed Harry the Elder wand rather then generally tossing it away.

Personally I hope that the Dark Lord Harry is meant to defeat isn't Voldemort, but rather death. There has been some hints at this possibility, eg when Harry decided that the last enemy is death or considered weather the prophecy could be referring to death rather then Voldemort. It's also implied by the second prophecy since Death (as entropy) is the one that can destroy everything, even the stars. As Harry pointed out, he can't be the one that is coming since he's already there. Harry summons death, with the ritual Voldemort alluded to (with a rope that has hanged a man and a sword that has killed a woman) in order to face it and end it's power (almost completely) over humans.
Niqi chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
At first I thought it was going to be both Quirrell and Harry trapped for eternity, AND THEN IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE HARRY AND MY PRECISE REACTION WAS 'OH FUCK OH FUCK OH NO OH GOD NO NO NO NO NONONONONO IT'S JUST GOING TO BE HARRY FUCK NO', AND NOW DUMBLEDORE IS GONE FROM TIME, AND WHA T THE FUCK EVEN.
and
[cries a lot] two updates in one day, super early, bless you Eliezer, bless you.
Anonimous chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Awesome, you the Master of Cliffhangers!
CT chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
And so the Deathly Hallows are all there. Assuming Dumbledore threw the Elder wand and Resurrection stone to Harry, well, still Quirrelmort has the cloak, but it does belong to Harry (as the Peverell descendant, and isn't that so similar to Perenelle). Perhaps a snap of the fingers (with Darth Vader music) would bring the cloak back to him. Also it seems to me that in passing himself to Harry, Voldemort may have inadvertently also passed the protection of his Horcruxes to him, making Harry the master of death. All so exciting. And two chapters coming up tomorrow. Can't wait.
Kira chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo
But Harry can command his cloak not to hide himself i.e. Voldemort, then take back the newly useless cloak and rescind his command... But Dumbledore can't die... he can't be gone...
5 Coloured Walker chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
A good chapter, I look forward to more.
Sage of Wind Dragons chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
welp. hopefully the there and not thing would add some... messes to the game. hopefully only way OUT
didn't Cedric digorry get dragged into this by harry or at least he was TRING to?

do like that you showcased how utterly STUPID and fucking EXCEDDINGLY ARROGENT this little Harry has been... a nice little small child... that has been so stuff and WAY out of his league...
or ino ther words THIS si why you leave little shit children apart of big games OUT OF THE DECISION AND ACCES TO THE IMPORTANT BITS OF EVERYTHING UNTILL THEY ARE OLDER...
still wonder what other secret wizards on the level are going to be here?
and hell elder wans and philosohpers stone...hmm. what specific EXACT frozen INSTANT... is that going to be? because instinctual appreciate out of it maby... sure might splinch one self but can always fix that later...

ah well should be interesting indeed especially if this prophecy in that Harry counts as VOLDEMORT is actually ABOUT Voldemort and Dumbledore...
Darth Parallax chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
1. The stone rod is the Implement of the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot.
2. Being unmoveable by hostage-taking was established somewhere around "Phoenix's Price", with the story of Aberforth.
3. This Albus Dumbledore is a mix of canon-Rita Skeeter-Dumbledore from book 7 "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore" (which according to canon is in fact a true story, not just yellow journalism), and the person Albus Dumbledore had to become in MOR to fight MOR Voldemort.

The character actions of Dumbledore is consistent with everything we've seen so far.

The only imperfections in it would be that I don't think he's actually gone and sacrificed himself gone for this. I think he had a backdoor. I don't think he expected Harry to be there, but I think his Magic Artifacts (the Elder Wand and the Wizengamot Rod) are Epic Tier enough to get him out of this. But that may not be true. There are exactly 10 Chapters left INCLUDING the Resolution Chapter, and only 8 or 9 Chapters left of Suspense and building to Climax. The Part where Harry Resets the Universe might even happen 7 Chapters Hence.

There are 2 Prophecies, 2 Time Turners, and 3 Deathly Hallows between the persons of Harry, Voldemort, and Dumbledore.

We still haven't seen Hermione's remains.

There's action left, but not much!

Tomorrow we get to Chapter 113. That will be interesting. I think we will be leaving the Mirror Chamber by the end of Chapter 115.
L chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
I'm guessing that the rod of dark stone that Dumbledore threw away was the Line of Merlin Unbroken, and that he specifically threw away that and the elder wand because he believed they should not be stripped from time.

Does this mean that Harry will become both the keeper of the Elder Wand and the next in the Line of Merlin Unbroken?

I wonder... Harry has power over his invisibility cloak. He was able to sense Bellatrix and his future selves when they were concealed by it. Does this mean he will now be able to track Quirrel the same way? Does Quirrel know?
Whimbrel chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
I think that perhaps, at the time of viewing the mirror, Voldemort's "coherent volition" may have been something along the lines of "to outsmart Dumbledore"?
Notus Oren chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Oh teh noes!

You and your goddamn cliffhangers. Always leaving us starving for more.
Jay-F chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
I guess that Harry is Tom Riddle enough to use his Horocrux network and that maybe if both their bodies died they would be able to have a spiritform conflict within it.
Remvis chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Oof. Damn. Hardcore stuff. Great story, btw. I hope you have a nice day.
Separ chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Awesome chapter, even if I'm a bit conflicted about the ending.
WildCard-Yes Man chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Oh shit. Um... well... damn. This just jumped up to a new level...
timunderwood9 chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
On the assumption everything is as it appears, and Dumbledore just sacrificed himself I must think there is something really significant about Harry in those prophecies Dumbledore has been hearing. Trelawny was trying to speak to Quirrel with the he is coming line.
Jillian A.K chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
My jaw has continually dropped throughout these last chapters. VERY well done. (applauds).
Difficat chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
I wouldn't write Dumbledore out of it yet. This chapter was from Voldemort's and Harry's POV. We know what Dumbledore said, but not what he thought or did. Perhaps what he did was pretend to lose. Anyway, I'm betting on the guy with divination.
Sangemaru chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
That was fucking beautiful.
MariusDarkwolf chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
I see an issue, if Voldemort put a shield of Magic around Harry that would explode when matter touched it (to prevent Harry throwing something at him) how then did he get the cloak from Harry.
Psilontech chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Hnnnnnnnnnng
braindoll chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Another implausible "mindreading the GM" moment:

Riddle uses his magic to take the cloak. He had no opportunity to experiment with that magic and make sure it wouldn't cause doomterference. Moreover, Harry Potter (which is still his name) could at least have tried to react instead of just standing there. But somehow, not only didn't he do so, but Riddle knows he won't do so.

This particular issue could be solved rather easily. Have Riddle use some artifact, a magical grabber (Weasley product) that had been set up in some earlier chapter. Perhaps it could be called an Accion and also solve the strong CP problem.

Speaking of which... Harry still hasn't used his "progressive partial transfiguration" trick yet. Clearly he has to do so before this is over. Also, possibly, cast a confundus charm on the entire universe.

Still, good chapter overall.
Mercy Of Baal chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Holy crap less wrong. My head doesn't know what to do with itself.
Arekanderu chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Whoa...dude you take out Dumbledore! Respect I did not expect this at all!
Wyrvel chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
This was intense, but Albus Dumbledore refusing to accept responsibility for a catastrophic event he played a key role in just shattered my belief that this is really happening. And poking through it...Dumbledore valuing Flamel as a library rather than a great man worthy of respect? 'Tamed to the service' of love? Claiming to have laughed, when Dumbledore has been desperately attempting to pull Harry into a position of higher morality, away from the mindset of the original Tom? A lack of interest in potential hostages - feasible, but ANY potential hostages at ALL, and an unwillingness to extract information on who he's holding hostage, so that Dumbledore may somehow venture to rescue them after Quirrell is sealed? He seems to have plenty of time.

And lastly, the thought that Harry Potter was Tom Riddling it up for the entirety of the story and Dumbledore would still actually ask 'what are you doing here'. Please. Come on. Come ON.
Eli Bar-Yahalom chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Been following the whole plot silently for years. Meanwhile everything leads to a culmination I guessed long, long ago. Of course, maybe Mr. Yudkowsky is doing to me what Mr. Riddle has done to... well, to Mr. Riddle; in that case I'll be the one to scream "I was stupid, I've always been stupid". So I may as well tell y'all my guess.
Now Harry goes to some kind of singularity point. He acquires there - by whatever means, but mainly through his own intelligence - supreme mastery of time and space. He, in fact, can tear apart all the fabric thereof, as per the second prophecy. And... and he wishes for one thing that he can't have in this timeline: the perspective of a happy future.
So Harry is trying to change history. He becomes Mr. Hat and Cloak and tries to thwart earlier Harry's plans. But then he finds that all this has already happened and has no effect.
Therefore he decides to make a drastic change. He goes into the deep past and prevents Lily changing Petunia's appearance. Bye Prof. Verres, hello Uncle Vernon. The HPMOR timeline (with Super!Hat'n'Cloak!Harry) is erased, and Stupid!Canon!Timeline appears instead. Harry grows up under the staircase in Privet Drive, gets sorted into Gryffindor, loses Cedric, Dobby, Hedwig and important Weasley body parts, meets dead Dumbledore at King's Cross... and finally "The scar had not pained Harry for nineteen years. All was well."
Whaddya say?

Eli Bar-Yahalom.
Blazen chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
So, you vanquished Dumbledore in the first year. Thought Albus thought Harry will be able to defeat this trap one day, so I'm hoping that was foreshadowing. Although I don't believe this story will continue past this arc.
Brokndremes chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
There's one thing that really bothers me after reading this chapter, mainly this passage:

"Into the hand of Albus Dumbledore flew from his sleve his long, dark-grey wand, and in his other hand, as though from nowhere, appeared a short rod of dark stone.

Albus Dumbledore threw these both violently aside, just as the building sense of power rose to an unbearable peak, and then disappeared."

Now, I think it would be safe to say that the rod is not the Philospher's Stone, as I would think Dumbledore would rather keep it locked away forever than to 'curse' anyone else with immortality, which leads me to think the rod is a trap of some sort, intended for Quirrelmort, but I also can't see Quirrelmort being dumb enough to fall for something like that.

I keep getting the feeling I missed something really obvious in this chapter.
Guest chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
You fool Dumbledore!
You sacrificed yourself to save Harry but you are the far more important piece on the gameboard! Without you to oppose Voldemorte the world is lost! :(
There is nothing to stop Voldemorte from doing whatever he wills any more.
Singer In The Dark chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
BEST BIRTHDAY PRESENT EVER! TWO CHAPTERS IN OND DAY!
Emma Emerson chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Tom Riddle sounds so 'utterly' infantile.
He sounds so utter regressed.
I do have so much empathy for him. :(((
Yes..he still has to be permanently stopped
But he belongs more in a loving mental institution;
Then in a prison. :(((

Blaming Albus for not making an introduction ... such a passive-aggressive remak.

Why would someone like him want to live forever?
There is no self-love in him..
Death might (who knows what death really is) be more merciful.

Poor Albus having to make such hard choices in the past to do the minimum of damage;
And kind of sad he did not find another way to stop Volde than having the Potters die. :(((

I miss Hermione.. she was the most Sane and Mature character... :))))))

Great writing... :)

emma of NYC
Arafell chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Dang. I was kind of hoping for Dumbledore to win there.

Betting there's still some way out of the trap. Bonus points if Dumbledore escapes via time turner.
jon58840 chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Interesting, very interesting. I was wondering what Dumbledore had up his hand to deal with Voldemort. If I'm understanding this right, the improved "horcrux" is a soul anchor and not a soul fragment correct? Because if the former then trapping the soul outside time makes sense whereas it would be less so with the latter. Too bad though that Dumbledore didn't have the heart do what was necessary unlike Harry when it came to it. It'll take another real deus ex machina to get out of this one. Like my friend says, I almost want Voldemort to win at this point. He certainly deserves it.
Haradion chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Oh dear... Oh dear oh dear.

That is unfortunate...

I do wonder, if the mirror contains some hidden lore of Atlantis, also banished outside of time.
Grub chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Wow. Good luck, Harry!
martin.winters.3785 chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Ah, so I was on the button, but not in the right way; the error was there. I'm beginning to think that I know what's going on though. It's an Alice thing I think.
Nic Cullinan chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Nooo Dumbledore nooo! This chapter is too brilliant and terrible xD
Guest chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Argh! I hate cliffhangers :/
Enei Emmu chapter 110 . 2/24/2015
Holy shit.