|Reviews for Political Realities|
| Red Sky at Morning chapter 1 . 2/19
Despite some of the comments of other reviewers, I think you got Gordon's characterization spot on. Yes, he hates the Joker and understands the desire to just rid the world of the piece of slime. However, Gordon has always upheld the law and always respects the Bats as long as they (mostly) work within that law. Murder is a no-no, despite how much the victim deserved it, and especially when the killer can't even plausibly try to claim self-defense.
Moreover, I think Gordon sees at least one thing that many other people do not: the legal implication of letting capes literally get away with murder. The American legal system is largely based in precedent; that is, what other judges have ruled on similar cases. When in doubt about how to proceed, judges are supposed to review similar cases, decide if the precedent set by them is applicable, and - if it is - then follow it. If the Gotham courts acquit Helena/Huntress on the grounds that killing the Joker was justified, that sets the precedent for capes being authority figures who can decide who lives and who dies.
At that point it's very easy to envision the slippery slope. What would be next, Superman dropping Toyman from skyscraper heights (as happened in DC's animated movie 'Superman: Doomsday')? Or maybe The Flash would finally get rid of Professor Zoom once and for all? Or maybe the Justice League could decide that executing repeat offenders completely removes risk of them inevitably escaping from cardboard prisons?
Granted that the majority of the capes have hearts of gold (as evidenced by the fact that they haven't simply killed off the repeat offenders already; I know I probably would have if I were in their place) and that slippery slope may well never come to pass, but I think Gordon sees what could be. I think Gordon sees a possibility of people handing the capes so much power that the Justice Lords end up created not through force, but through blind adoration and apathy.
All in all, a brilliant look at what could be. Amazing.
| Firethorn chapter 1 . 11/18/2013
On another forum on this topic I once said "You could kill the Joker with a .50BMG sniper rifle at a range in excess of a thousand yards and I'd still rule it self defense".
There's a lot of truth here. In any world where human psychology still mostly applies, killing the Joker would be effectively unprosecutable.
| Guest chapter 1 . 11/6/2013
I really think that Gordon would have probably patted Helena on the back. On that train of thought, Barbara might throw her a party (Jason would be the host), Bruce probably would say he disapproved but not really care all that much, and Dick would probably shrug it off.
I really think that there would be some members of batman's Rouges who i probably would not support killing: Two-face was the DA before he went nuts, and he's been good since then when he sometimes got his sanity back. Wesker really seems like he's harmless: separate him from Scarface, and he's probably turn out fine. Humpty Dumpty actually seems to fit the definition of mad, and isn't really that evil, in my mind... but beyond that... the rest in the comicsverse need a trip to the electric chair.
| Selonianth chapter 1 . 9/11/2013
Sorry Gordon, *everyone* wants that psycho dead.
| MissMary chapter 1 . 5/4/2013
So much for at least trying to go through the formalities.
| Hinatafanboy chapter 1 . 1/29/2013
How very very true. Course the same premise was used for Kingdom Come but still very true.
| Pyeknu chapter 1 . 10/24/2012
There is often a problem with being a little TOO honest at times . . .! _
| En Satsu Koku Ryuu Ha chapter 1 . 8/17/2012
Brilliantly written! A realistic, plausible scenario and responses. Can't ask for more. :)
| dogbertcarroll chapter 1 . 4/5/2012
| Jason Barnett chapter 1 . 1/22/2012
I'm not sure I believe that Jim Gordon would be this upset about the Joker being killed
| BenRG chapter 1 . 1/20/2012
A very dark and yet very plausible look at the downsides of having costumed vigilantes working the streets of your city. When one goes to far, too many people have decided they are 'heroes' to make it possible to prosecute them.
A challenging yet very relevant piece.
| Kimberly T chapter 1 . 1/19/2012
The D.A. produced one of those iPads. "A website for her legal defence funds. Thirty-thousand contributed – not pledged, contributed - in two and a half hours."
Yup, I can see that happening. I have to admit, if Gotham and the Joker were real, and I lived anywhere in the general vicinity of Gotham, I'd probably donate at least $10 on the spot. An actual Gotham resident? At least $20. Friend or relative of a Joker victim? $100, easy...
| anon chapter 1 . 1/19/2012
Was Gordon just lashing out I mean I know Helena has used her "mafia princess" or whatever to work up to a capo but that was to get intel like undercover and it's more than mid level (at best) gangster "Matches Malone" persona Bruce uses when he goes undercover could ever get
In Kingdom Come the “Newbloods” spent their whole lives in terror of these villains, they see the older generation as ineffective, although it should not apply to average thugs
The "Newbloods" obviously took it too far but as they say it was them who put down Ra's al Ghul and Eclipso (some villains do need to be stopped permanently they keep breaking out of prison and butchering innocents, the Joker has killed over two thousand people men, women, children, his henchmen, he once gassed an entire kindergarten class, took out a boy scout troop with poisoned cotton candy, the only reason they haven't put down the Joker I can figure is that the DCverse is the type of place someone like the Joker would break out of Hell and probably bring an army of demons to do his bidding) and they had new worse villains like the Slaughter Brigade to deal with, this is probably why the older heroes didn't step in until the "Newbloods" crossed the line, in a dark world heroes can be dark, but after they kill the villains, they have to stop if they still want to fight each other got to the middle of the desert not cities
Don't get me wrong lethal force should be used if and only if all other means are exhausted or unavailable to save lives or stop villains, I certainly don't want them slitting the throats of every single thug they come across (you do that you stop being a hero and become Frank Castle) if only it could be an uncercover cop doing his or her job
What Batman does it's worse than killing it's psychological crippling
Ironically Luthor is the reason Metropolis has such a high standard of living, his inventions and leadership got it out of near fatal poverty, (he’s from the Suicide Slums of Metropolis) and he does such for the rest of the country as well, and as president eliminated the national debt, brought unemployment to almost zero, it was HIS leadership that got us through two alien invasions and even the heroes must admit without it, we would have fallen
I will always prefer villains who at least have a point and frighteningly may even be right about everyone being better off under their benevolent dictatorship (of course make education great so the common man does know what is best for him and his children's children and democratic republicanism can work) like Ra's al Ghul if the environment isn't brought into balance no matter the means or cost the future for the human race will be worse than any dystopian fiction and will lead to the extinction of the human race not through misadventure but suicide through stupidity or Lex Luthor who as he says if he was calling all the shots could end famine and cure cancer and he could his mind is capable of anything perhaps give everyone ultra high-tech non polluting technology and maybe even superpowers (without the White Martians ancient experiments all humanity would be like the Kryptonians or Daxamites) lead humanity and the rest of the universe to unimaginable glory remember Red Son he united all humanity and led us to a golden age that lasted millions of years, no poverty, disease, war, crime, terrorism, or environmental problems and science and art advance, he’s about the advancement of the human race by any means necessary it’s not that he’s a good man he’s not but he’s right about most things he’s too smart not to be
A lot of villains seem unaware that if they used their mind and/or other talents for legitimate business causes or the government could be far more profitable than any crime spree
Luthor has fanatical Nietzschean beliefs, that Superman undermines humanity’s worth and accomplishments
Of course vigilantes can be sanctimonious hypocrites judging others and letting themselves go unscrutinized condemning others when they do the same thing for less reasons I think it is disgusting they don't share their scientific breakthroughs (of course inventors should be well compensated) with the scientific specifically medical community or their skills with law enforcement agencies far more good than beating up thugs and psychos fight crime at its source ignorance and poverty. I realize due to rarity and complexity mass production may not always be possible or at least cost effective and due to difficulty not all could take brutal training but a little bit could go a very, very long way. A hero doesn’t just save people a hero teaches the people to take care of themselves. The ability to think of future generations when calculating pragmatic utilitarianism is what separates us from the animals. The world is not the way it is because of thugs and psychopaths, corrupt businessmen/politicians (which contrary to fiction are the exception not the rule) but because most people are too stupid to know what is best for them the extreme left and extreme right get caught up in their ideals and refuse to acknowledge brutal facts of reality no real world understanding of the extreme complexities of politics, economics, technological logistics, and how they’re all interconnected in the long run. People want everything right here right now the whole world just handed to them on a silver platter think just by complaining something will happen without a tangible plan. Such a plan will require a lot of long, hard, boring work all day every day for generations.
There will always be some exploitation, the best and brightest will elevate themselves over the common man, it’s nature, best for the species, it improves the standard of living of the human race as a whole, as long as they don’t kill anyone or otherwise actively oppress, free trade and enterprise is the only thing that has ever led to long lasting meaningful peace
I'm glad the government has Suicide Squad, Cadmus, Checkmate, the Elite, Amanda Waller, and the new female Spy Smasher, Cameron Chase I don’t think there is anything wrong with wanting accountability from Superheroes, having checks and balances on these living breathing weapons of mass destruction seems quite reasonable to me, one will go left when they should go right and innocent people will die it WILL happen, not saying black ops don’t have their necessity, they can be used as a force of good
Have you heard of The Boys
Say you’re Harry Truman do you drop the bombs or do you drown the home islands in the blood of U.S. Marines, BATMAN has no answer to that question, people hire soldiers so they never have to use moral courage themselves
| Macavity Omega chapter 1 . 1/19/2012
I wonder how long the Joker stays dead this time.
| cglasgow chapter 1 . 1/19/2012
While the reactions of most everyone else are note-perfect, and while Gordon still wouldn't be happy about this, Jim still looks like a complete moron for actually being /surprised/ by the reaction. Gordon knows the temptation to just up and do the Joker execution style better than anyone; he has to repress it every time he sees the clown. After Barbara and Sarah, you would have to look very very hard to find anyone who hates the Joker worse than he does.
So, I think it would have worked better with Jim still trying to do the right thing re: the law but already resigned to nigh-inevitable failure, instead of actually needing any of the crowd reaction explained to him? Or something like that.
Also, AFAIK Helena doesn't have a public ID; if she shot the Joker as Helena Bertinelli, they'd never know they had the Huntress in custody as well. (And if she shot the Joker in costume and then turned herself in, she's an idiot; she just blew her secret ID when she didn't have to.)