|Reviews for Perry Mason TCOT Evil Eight|
| Chelsea chapter 9 . 1/26/2013
startwriting wrote: "Off topic:There is another site you can post the 'steamier stories' on. I have two stories waiting to be posted there, I just want to know how people review them and how they think about it. There are some more stories of P and D there, some too much (too explicit) for me, but hey, I can chose whether or not to read them?"
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| Laura chapter 8 . 1/26/2013
Mad Men, srsly?! OK, that explains a lot. Our taste buds are wired completely different. Too much drama, too depressing. LoL. But nice job wardrobe department! The rest raises some serious issues like all those other shows set in the past. Too 2000s with their characters & storytelling, drives me bonkers, esp when it comes to women. But that explains why I disagree with you on your image of D and BH. I only know peops that age (Greatest Gen) who never cussed but rather resisted the growing aggression as the 60s and 70s rolled on and ran us over. Ladies of a style and grace that doesn't exist anymore. So I still give you the clappy hands for aptly describing the changing times but I disagree that D & P have to change to the negative along the way. Drama does not equal realism. It's just a way to entertain which is fine if you're into that but it's not a necessity and all too easily jumps the shark.
Granted, the characters changed on the show but they didn't warp into the 60s. They actually remained quite true to themselves. The TV movies did raise some issues but it depends on how you wanna see 'em. The Lost Love kiss?! Not so deep IMO, rather sweet like allysonbirch said. The Parrish stuff, yeah, sorry. Leaves everything open for personal mind games. Mine doesn't reduce P to a SOAB and D to a victim of his frolicking with other women. For me, cheating will never just be a peccadillo. Also, in Desperate Daughter D said she “wasn't very truthful” with that lady she squeezed for info. So were D/P schmusing all the time or not?! I adore RB but apart from the hanky-panky quote he also said they “finally” kissed (ref to Telltale Talk Show Host) on Vicki's in the early 90s. That's PR at its finest. He was a pro. So, you're interpreting a lot into what may or may not have been insinuated in the movies which surprises me after all the info you've volunteered about yourself.
Personally, I don't think P/D were modern Rock'n Roll and ahead of their time as you've raved for example. D/P were born as characters in the 30s, a high time for sassy women, yes. Their dynamic though was still mighty old school & reputable despite their schmusing in the books. These are not Boomers we're talking about here but a different, more discreet and humble generation who was raised with a different understanding of a lot of things. Thus looking at D/P through a modern microscope just doesn't work, esp as OAPs. Our pc'ed lives and post-feminism really are another world.
But yeah, this is your party, knock yourself out. I'm still digging it w/out agreeing with your like (and some others around here) for twisting and hurting characters who “are so dear to your heart”. I'll never get why writers love to do that (no offense) coz you're not writing about yourselves but about well-known characters instead. That's also my issue with the graphic sex. It pornifies which is currently all the rage and def a Gen Xer/Millenial thing but, IMO, ill-fitting with the given time frame and rather diminishing.
| StartWriting chapter 8 . 1/26/2013
(I cannot review ch 9, because I already have, so now I'm posting here ... )
Yes ... , this was good, and I absolutely loved it.
The sex, romance, and love was brilliant, I can personally not get enough of P D steam, but others do and can get offended, and so you might want to warn people, before you start the chapter. ('if you don't want it, don't read it'. And that's just it, isn't it?) Or indeed, rate it 'M', as suggested before by fellow reviewers.
Off topic:There is another site you can post the 'steamier stories' on. I have two stories waiting to be posted there, I just want to know how people review them and how they think about it. There are some more stories of P and D there, some too much (too explicit) for me, but hey, I can chose whether or not to read them?
I'm 38 like you, my mother watched the TVmovies with me and I fell in love with P and D then, and already started to think about what was going on between them behind the screens. I talked about this with my mom a couple of weeks ago (she reads my stories on ), and she told me I just always assumed from the beginning P and D were a romantic couple. So senior sex ... oh well, I just want them happy. In this stressful and eerie, confusing times now (for me, but moreover in general of course), really, if they are happy, I'm happy.
Apart from all, I love these discussions, different opinions, different stories, different takes on what we saw, and what we think happened. Bless you all. Thanks for a wonderful treat.
| allysonbirch chapter 7 . 1/26/2013
I'm sorry if I confused you by my use of the word "retort." I meant not at all that you answered a reviewer in a rebuking manner but rather with point by point counters to another point of view (as in, say, a debate.) To Marti, who took issue with the narrative of Perry hurting Della, you answered with one meaning of a "retort," part of which is "Would that that were true. But, in the end, he has his flaws. If you chart the story lines (and I have, believe me...) he cheated on her at least twice and they were at least somewhat apart from '77 to '85. Okay, here goes: ...and on to
"So he would have cheated again in '67 and for a while that one was...Lastly, I and disagreed with this, he gave Laura quite a tonsillectomy at the beginning of Lost Love, in the doorway of her manse. No, much as I love him, he has made quite a practice out of hurting our girl. But it just makes their love real and therefore greater to me anyway...".
I do think that qualifies as a dignified retort, an argument firmly stating your case.
As for the communal appellate court secretaries-yes, that does make some sense simply because the appellate judges, at least in a state as large as California, travel to other cities during the year to hear cases.
In any case, my point in bringing up that Della could have been his secretary was that Perry's going to San Francisco to accept a judicial appointment would not have been reason enough for them to separate if they were a couple, as I see it, but as the movie writers evidently didn't. She stayed in LA to work for someone else. Even if she couldn't any longer be Mason's right arm again in a legal sense, she could just as easily have gotten a job with an Arthur Gordon type or any type at all, but one who lived in the same city as Mason. The point remains that the writers of the movie never accounted for why he chose to leave his beloved lawyering and why she chose to stay and not go with him. The most parsimonious explanation is that the writers felt no need to portray or even to intimate that Perry and Della were a couple. Of course, taking this a bit further, they also seemed to feel no need to portray nor intimate that Perry and Della felt any angst about going their separate ways, even as "only" employer and employee after all those years.
Then too there were loyal series viewers who were not concerned about the, "Are they or aren't they?" questions so it strikes me that the writers of that reunion movie were dismissive of them as well. Even those audience members who might not have looked upon Perry and Della as a pair in "that way," were still likely to feel an explanation of sorts was due them in that first movie, that some allusion to the difficulty of adjusting to life without the partner with whom they had worked for several decades might have been offered by the writers.
"Anyway, I just looked at the kiss again and that was not a chaste kiss, not with both mouths open; and Ken didn’t think so, either."
I didn't see "open" mouths and the kiss took place in the blink of an eye with her making the move. If I recall, he's on a step below her and she moves to him. I am also remembering Jean Simmons being asked about it in an article promoting the movie, and she said, "It was sweet, not what you might be thinking." In any case, this isn't "cheating" as I understand the word.
"As for bride, they absolutely were implying he might be her father; throughout the whole movie and in press from when the movie was aired. Bit of a brouhaha, it was. And you can see it in the interaction with Diane Baker, and Della’s jealousy and then, of course, when Diane Baker says to Della, “[I can’t thank him]… there’s so much you don’t know about Perry and me; so much.” Della with tears in her eyes says, “I know. I really know.' "
I'd like it if you could point me to references promoting "Heartbroken Bride" that suggested Mason had an affair a long time ago that left him with a child, a child he hasn't acknowledged, or such an affair that led him to think for a time that the child could have been his. (I realize they might be hard to find, but if you've collected any articles, I wouldn't mind reading the relevant parts.) I know there was a two-part "Ironside' episode with that very plot, where he begins to believe an adult child is his, but I can't find any evidence that there was a suggestion of his perhaps being that girl's father in HB.
For instance, Mason doesn't show any particular affection for Kaitlyn in any of the scenes. In fact, there isn't a single scene depicting him looking as if he feels he's missed out on something in not being able to raise his child, no scenes showing him looking forlorn or wistful or guilty or embittered or sad, nothing showing him looking at his "child" longingly. Had they wanted to hint he might be her father or that he thought he might be, I'd have thought they would have written such a scene, a scene showing the anguish of a man who loves a child whom he can't acknowledge, a pained man who has had to keep his love hidden. There is no such touching or heart-rendering scene. In fact, there's not one small instance where he looks at the young girl in any special way.
In reply to this-
"And you can see it in the interaction with Diane Baker, and Della’s jealousy and then, of course, when Diane Baker says to Della, '[I can’t thank him]… there’s so much you don’t know about Perry and me; so much.' Della with tears in her eyes says, 'I know. I really know.' "
You must find me dense, but I see no jealousy from Della, none. In fact, this, I think, is the strongest argument *against* the idea that she and Perry had an affair. The woman is portrayed as a good and decent person, not a vixen who is out to show up or to hurt Della with allusions , insinuations, inferences to an intimate physical past with Perry, the man Della obviously cares for.
What decent woman, one with whom Perry has remained friends ( along with her husband), would say "There's so much you don't know about Perry and me, so much," if what she really means is, "I slept with the man you love, Della"? No such decent woman, and that's but one reason why I don't believe they intended *that* meaning at all. I believe they were suggesting that Perry saved the marriage of those two and that the character played by Diane Baker remained forever grateful to him for that, that the child whose marriage he had come to celebrate with them would never have been born at all had Perry not saved their marriage. As for Della's tears- Della showed tears in episodes from the original series, and to me they looked like tears of "Yes, he's wonderful, I know, and I know he must have been a Godsend to you."
I can think of only one possibility, albeit a stretch, but it might be a possibility when one considers how bad some of the writing was with the movies. It's not beyond all reason to think that someone might have tried to write a first script that suggested such a thing when one considers how little they seemed to care about the Perry Mason brand, about the ESG brand, but that by the time script consultations took place, that would have been torpedoed, and changes made to excise such a thing.
As for the more intimate descriptions...strictly personal taste, to be sure. Judging from the comments, many of your readers absolutely loved this aspect of your narrative. If the writer and the readers love it, it's a winner!
As for the sexual activities of seniors... the earlier descriptions of Mason made some of his activity seem unlikely, or if possible, likely to be ungraceful. I just didn't like the image in my head.
Small point, but as a journalist, I think you'll appreciate this (I hope) - "cummerbund"
| Guest chapter 9 . 1/25/2013
If you want to keep writing the sex scenes the way you did in this story, which is fine with me, you could rate it M. The people who have a problem with sex scenes won't even see it because you have to specifically ask for M rated stories since they don't appear automatically on the list. If someone does find an M story, reads it and has problems with it, it's their own fault. Please don't stop writing the way you want because a FEW people have a problem with it.
| Guest chapter 9 . 1/25/2013
Great story. Loved it, especially the romantic scenes.
I agree with Chelsea. If you don't want to read sex scenes, check the rating before reading. That's what it's there for. Stick with G and PG and leave the "T" and "M" stories for the rest of us.
| DNPLC chapter 4 . 1/25/2013
I so love everyone’s enthusiasm and wanting to have a “say!” One thing I have learned, and it is a great lesson, is that you really can’t please everyone! I am feeling like I should post the 8 year story where they don't get together until during Della's trial….Coachsone, Tengland and Chelsea thank you!
OED FAN: “It's just like Christmas; you do all the work and the fat man in the suit gets all the credit.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That was great!
allysonbirch Thank you so much for expending the time and energy to write your review; obviously a lot of time and thought went into it. One thing I do need to correct, however, is that I made no “retort” to anyone. The word retort has a very negative connotation but I truly appreciate, and am respectful of, everyone’s comments even if I don’t agree. I may respond but I never retort, LOL!
Some of this is a difference in interpretation, some choice of the writer but some is just not factually correct. I go out of my way to do research, no hardship since I so love my P&D! (I have all of the movies on DVD, some guy taped them off TV from diff stn’s and sells them as a collection. $31. The quality is not great but for true lovers…LOL! If anyone wants the link I shall pass it on.) Anyway, I just looked at the kiss again and that was not a chaste kiss, not with both mouths open; and Ken didn’t think so, either. I can guarantee Della wouldn’t have been happy…
Most of the writing credits on these go to Dean Hargrove himself, which is probably his team. I totally agree that overall they did a lousy job. Ray was never happy with the writing. I can safely say that any one of us knows the show and characters better than they did. But I would be SO SAD not to have them!
I trust Ray to have known what was going on, too. He stated throughout the 50s and 60s that Perry and Della were romantically involved but the show had a strict format so he and Barbie (and the writers who might have them reclining on sep couches or have them making dinner together, etc.) would find ways to sneak extra stuff in to impart what was supposed to be going on.
Then in a Charlie Rose intv from ’85 Ray states very firmly that in “Perry Mason Returns” we learn that there had been “hanky panky” (how cute is that?) going on all along. He made similar statements elsewhere when he did press for the movies, going so far as to say, when asked why they weren’t married, “How do you know that they’re not?” So, I have to stick with all of my assertions, backed up by Perry Mason, LOL!
As for bride, they absolutely were implying he might be her father; throughout the whole movie and in press from when the movie was aired. Bit of a brouhaha, it was. And you can see it in the interaction with Diane Baker, and Della’s jealousy and then, of course, when Diane Baker says to Della, “[I can’t thank him]… there’s so much you don’t know about Perry and me; so much.” Della with tears in her eyes says, “I know. I really know.”
I had older parents, have much older friends and have always been involved with romantic partners 20 years older than me. It is perhaps why I have no trouble envisioning a world where people are very sexually active in their 60s, and regardless of weight. I’m sorry I couldn’t make that more real for you. My current partner, 67, would be very angry to hear you incorrectly assert that people are not agile at that age. I'm 38 and can't keep up.
Also I have two couples in my life, both in their late 60s and early 70s, who have extremely high powered jobs and have long distance relationships. I think the more “high powered” the job the more likely it is. Della and Perry never lived like regular folk; no reason in the world they wouldn't have had a long distance relationship. Also I researched the Appellate court and she would never have been a secretary there because, among other reason, several justice's share the same secretary.
Thanks again everyone!
| allysonbirch chapter 8 . 1/25/2013
Sorry, I meant to add this to my full review given at the end of chapter 9, but the comment box won't let me edit my remarks nor add another comment to the end of 9 so I'll just add this here.
You commented to one of your reviewers, "he gave Laura quite a tonsillectomy at the beginning of Lost Love, in the doorway of her manse."
While I did comment on my take of the kiss in my review ( I think I did-it was sweet, chaste), I also meant to point out how much this comment of yours illustrates your perception of that kiss. It's as if we saw two different takes of the scene. I am stumped by what you think you saw.
| allysonbirch chapter 9 . 1/25/2013
First, I commend you for even attempting to reconcile what we know of P&D's characters with what some of the writers of the movies did with the plot lines, thus their characters. While I honor and respect your attempt (and enjoyed much of this, especially the early chapters), I have to add that I feel all such attempts will, in the end, fail, "fail" not in the sense that they can't be entertaining, but "fail" in the sense that they still don't make sense when they are weighed against the characters established in the series.
My conclusion is that people have gotten overwrought trying to reconcile the series to the movies. After all, we don't try to reconcile the novels to the tv series. If, however, we do remain adamant about trying to force some sense to exist between the series and the movies, I'd like to remind that such efforts will always strain credulity.
The reunion movie's premise is the problem-Perry living as a judge in San Francisco for the last 8 years and Della staying in Los Angeles, so settled she now owns a house. Okay, some couples really do maintain a relatively long-distance relationship in modern times. They tend to be young, however, each pursuing the demands of their young careers. I know of NO people in their mid sixties, heading for 70 that live that kind of life. Then, too, even IF he had made the decision to become a judge, there is no sensical reason on earth that Perry couldn't have employed Della as his secretary, aide de camp, whatever, in San Francisco. If such employees were civil servants, Della was more than capable of passing a civil service exam, and the new appellate court judge could have gotten her a job in his office for God's sake. She chose to stay in smoggy LA, work for a task master with a dysfunctional family, instead of going to one of the most beautiful cities on earth, San Francisco, to be with the man she had stood shoulder to shoulder with through thick and thin.
This makes sense only if you accept that 1) Perry Mason had to take a job that was somehow less stressful because of health-maybe he'd suffered a heart attack or had had cancer and his doctors convinced him that either he changed his life or he'd die. On the surface, this seems "reasonable," until we realize that the quitting of his practice is absurd if only because he does indeed return to practicing, at least part-time, and seems none the worse for it and only if we accept that the job of appellate court justice comes without stress. I suppose one other half-baked notion might be possible: something happened that convinced Perry he wasn't any good at this business of being a defense attorney any more...he lost his nerve like a fighter pilot who crashes a multimillion dollar jet.
More problematic, it makes sense also only if you accept that 2) Della and Perry were not a couple, ever, or at least not for a long while or
3) something had broken them up and that's, at least in part, why they are separated, why he took another job as she dis as well. The problem with this choice, of course, is that neither Della nor Perry seems angry with one another when they see each other in the first movie. Similarly, no allusions are made to any hard choices they had had to make.
No, the problem with this reunion movie is that Della and Perry are portrayed as friends. Yep, friends.
The writers were charged with, "Write a reunion movie for these people. Allude to what they've been doing lately because it's been 20 years since the tv audience last saw them in his office in LA." I'm sure the writers were most concerned with the murder mystery itself and not much else and, of course, it shows.
I get the sense that the writers were a tag-team belonging to a cookie-cutter operation run by Dean Hargrove, that they were likely 30-40 years younger than the writers of the original series, that they were_ not_ actually_ familiar with the entire run of the PM series. They were likely fresh, young faces who had seen snippets of individual episodes of "Perry Mason" on late-night tv as they crammed for their college exams.
You see, if you accept that they were just friends, this whole first movie "works."
Of course, we see as the movies progress, that the writers must have gotten wind that the audience had always seen them as "more than friends." Maybe letters to the network let the writing team KNOW THIS or maybe the stars let them in on it, or maybe paying attention to the questions the early morning talk show hosts asked of the star ("Hey, why aren't Della and Perry married by now?") finally made the writers say, "Uhhhh, we kinda screwed up."
Now, you say, what about Laura. The kiss? Here I have to address your contention, DNPLC, that Perry had been unfaithful to Della at least a few times.
Well, the writers, as we know, did not check dates, as you seem to think they had. (I am speaking about your retort to one of your commenters.) You can't really believe the differing writing teams of the movies actually went back and checked references to years. All that was established in Lost Love was that Laura and Perry had years ago once been an item. Where was Della when that supposedly occurred?
Well, not that Raymond Burr was a writer or anything, but he's one of the people who seemed to think that the relationship between Perry and Laura took _place _before_ Della. I am having trouble remembering, but I think it's in his interview on a Showtime video promoting the Perry Mason movies, circa 1988 or so, that the interviewer accosts him with that. I got the feeling it wasn't the first time he had heard such, "What about? How could that have...?" He gave a mystified, almost helpless, very frustrated exhalation of air, a whine of sorts came from him as he shook his head, and he uttered a plaintive "But THAT was Before Della."
I figure, if that's what was in the head of the guy that played our hero in that movie, it's good enough for me.
About the "kiss"? With Laura. I know, I know, it's a good kiss, one I wish had occurred with Della, but if you'll look at it, as I recall, she leans into toward him first. It's not a passionate kiss at all. What's a guy to do? Be a wuss when a woman who is thanking him leans in for a "thank you" kiss. Tell me. Wouldn't you think him a weenie if he'd turned away?
The courthouse steps? Della is clearly frightful that some spark has been re-ignited in Perry for Laura, but it hasn't. If it had, he would have stayed, and that's what the final scene shows.
As for the really bad "Heartbroken Bride" episode? I think what happened there was that in the editing process a scene with the father was taken out, leaving the final scene making little sense. (I think the man playing Kaitlyn's father must have had an earlier scene with Perry in which he discussed some problems he had had with his daughter). The reference to the months Perry was in DC are pretty tame and he certainly doesn't seem guilty nor does he exhibit any particularly interesting behavior toward either the mother or the daughter that suggests they mean all that much to him. In fact, he doesn't even seem as if he's close enough to these people for the girl to call him "Uncle Perry." I got the feeling several different teams of writers worked on this script probably at very different times. Maybe it was thrown on the waste pile for awhile, then picked up again by another group down the road. Even the courtroom scene made no sense. I don't think they meant to imply she was his daughter, but in all the mess of writing and editing, it seemed that way to some.
If you are trying to be canonical, you can't rely on that which made no sense to begin with. The "canon" doesn't exist actually, does it? We never even find out where Perry's practice actually exists in the movies, do we? Oh, he's in Denver a lot, in what seems to be a hotel room functioning as a permanent office, but he goes everywhere, everywhere but LA, that is. A shame, really. LA is as much a character in the original series as are the regular human characters.
As for the more intimate scenes you have written... I like romance between Della and Perry, but this part of your story didn't work for me. First are the visual images. 325 pounds, specifically stated for a man with a knee that doesn't work, a man in his sixites? No, I'd rather the description remain vague. Same with Della. Too graphic and after all, she's older too. Oh, hey, older people do it, but they aren't agile, no way. And as others have noted, I didn't like the words put in her mouth. Della is a revered character precisely BECAUSE she isn't "common" in her language as they rest of us are.
I also didn't buy that Perry was a selfish person in their relationship, nor that Della would have put up with a selfish man. That kind of portrayal leaves me feeling just as ill-contented with their characterizations as did the portrayals offered by the reunion movies-too great a stretch to make sense.
Now, all that being said, I still found much of the story entertaining and I think you're a good writer. I'd like to read more from you.
I've been much too verbose, but I'd like to see you try your hand at that which does make sense. I guess what I am saying is that one can't reconcile the irreconcilable. Sense cannot be made of non-sense.
| Chelsea chapter 9 . 1/25/2013
Love it, love it, love it! Keep it coming! And please, no need to tone down the sex scenes, those who find it "offensive" (whatever!) can move along and read something else or go watch Sesame Street but for me...nothing's better than reading some hot and steamy Perry/Della love scenes! Great story, can't wait for the next chapters!
| coachsone chapter 9 . 1/25/2013
Just when I thought I couldn't get any better...it does. Those years apart only makes the being together that much sweeter.
| OED fan chapter 1 . 1/25/2013
FWIW, I'm perfectly okay with your depiction of their sex life. If Della is happy, then I'm happy. And I'm always ready to slap Perry upside the head if he doesn't keep our girl satisfied. So, forget happy, I'm *thrilled* that you write their lives so realistically.
I'm also happy to see Della as the strong, independent woman of her time. I never thought of how she always put Perry first, but you're right, it is consistent with the era when she grew up. I like Perry, but I love Della and you have captured her perfectly, salty language and all.
One of the many reasons I read fanfic is because the show was so parsimonious with her character and dialog. What other show has/had a 2nd billed character with so little dialog and so few scenes to show her wonderful acting chops and her work in making their legal team a success? She often has the insight to point Perry in the right direction to solve the mystery. It's just like Christmas; you do all the work and the fat man in the suit gets all the credit. :)
| tengland2 chapter 9 . 1/25/2013
Took him long enough to figure out he better go find Della. Loved Ken's comment about the date finding her "Big Wheel". They need to stay together, no good apart. Perry can protect her better when their that way. Always wondering where she was, if she were alright if not together. If getting her arrested for murder was the way to do it so be it. Always did like how they got back together. Nicely done.
| tengland2 chapter 8 . 1/25/2013
Between Kelly and Laura neither seem to take the hint very well. You would think after all these years Laura would know what Perry wants and its not her. Enjoying this story alot.
| DNPLC chapter 8 . 1/25/2013
Well, I'm a journalist in "real life" and I have never have had as much fun (especially with reader interaction) as I am having here. I love everyone's reviews and may even like the ones that disagree with my choices the best, LOL!
First of all I had to google Shonda whomever and now feel old at 38 ha! (The only current show I can abide is Mad Men...)
Next: apologies to all who were offended by the graphic nature of the sex. I thought it would be fun and I enjoyed it but will temper it in future.
But our boy and girl did some serious "heartbreak waltz" over the years, and that is not me. I am guilty of blowing it up but I had to find a way to explain that stupid 8 yrs. Still annoys me that Perry kisses Laura so deeply in Lost Love when he and Della are clearly together. Bad, Perry. That last scene of Della waiting for him on the steps breaks my wittle heart...underrated actress, Barbie Hale.
In fairness to me, LOL, I actually don't think I'm the one that offers a union of several decades the books/show/movies do that.
But if you disagree it's interesting because I wrote an entirely diff version of those 8 yrs where they were NOT together, not until after her trial! (OK, during...) I wasn't going to post it because it somehow felt so, so, so wrong to me. If any or all of you disagree maybe I should post it.
As for Della this is the one issue with which I am prepared to take issue...Della and Barbie Hale are near and dear to me, my heroines since the age of 5 and the "women" who taught me how to be a girl. But Della gets underestimated ALL of the time. Firstly, she wasn't a 65 year old virgin...or even a 35 yr old virgin. Next I am reasonably sure that by the age of 63 in 1985 the word bitch had crossed Della's lips more than once! Laura alone probably elicited it numerous times!
More important than all of that is that Della Street was WAY ahead of her time! In the 50s and 60s she was a working, single woman...wow! And still single at, what, the show ended in '66 so 44?! This is a big deal. That is a certain kind of woman. And Perry often says to her in the show, "think like a woman," so he thinks of her as his male equal, which is meant to be a compliment-again way ahead of its time. And if you reconsider her dialogue alone from the shows (where she frequently challenges and argues with Perry and treats Paul like the darling dope he can be) and the movies where she gives him quite a run for his money...again, wow. This is no shrinking violet.
Also, I think it's interesting to like the depiction of times changing (which was ultimatelywhat killed the series in real life) but not want Perry and Della to change. It's kind of sweet.
Anyway, a few more chapters will be forthcoming and I am honored that anyone takes the time to comment on these flights of fancy... THANKS! :)