Sleeping with the Girls, Vol I: Fictional Reality Chapter 22: Volume I Appendix, a X-overs + Anime X-overs Crossover fanfic

Sleeping with the Girls Vol I: Appendix

Appendix A: Soundtracks

- Opening theme: So Insane by Smashmouth

- Closing theme: What a Day for a Daydream (Karaoke Version) by Lovin Spoonful

- Washu's lab: Tenchi Muyo OST 'Education'

- Hilltop Overwatch: Those Who Hunt Elves, OST # 05 "Sakusen Junbi wa Shinchou ni"

- Battle with Zoicite: Shawn McPherson, Devil may Cry OST "Taste the Blood"

- Spacebattles Revelations and Youtube: Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Soundtrack "Libera me from Hell"

- Ignoring Annoying Combat Cyborgs: BOOM by PoD

Appendix B: Google Earth GPS Coordinets

1: Masaki Tenchi's home, estimated real life location candidate.

GPS Coord: 34º 41' 29.53" N 133º 38' 42.75" E

Selection Logic: Identifying a possible candidate from the expanse of Okayama Prefecture would have been insanely difficult if it weren't for the cut-out in the in final part of the opening credits of Tenchi OVA 3. The center of the shot seemed to indicate that the house was some where in the area west of Okayama city. One of the closer zoom shots indicates that the lake itself is an ovoid running north/south, with the road running along it on the east side before curving away to the north.

The pressence of Tenchi walking along the road with Ryo-Ohki in OVA 2 indicates that the early fields were within walking distance, but not exactly ON the property itself at the time.

Remoteness of the location was suggested of course, by the livelyness of the location while nobody seems to actually notice. However, as indicated by Seina's bike ride in GXP, it is close enough to civilization that the young man could use it as a short cut.

Out of a number of locations selected as candidates for the Masaki Home's location, the lake indicated by the GPS coordinets here stood out for having the layout profile close enough to match, while fitting the other criteria important in the location. While the lake is not exactly ovoid, and while it is not an exact match, it is a very CLOSE match. The road on the east even bends in the same manner. There are mountain hills all around it, and it is secluded quite nicely. Some compromise must be given that the photo's in Google Earth are 2010 images, while Tenchi Muyo occured in 1994-96 or so. So the excess of small roads are ignored in this instance.

As a bonus, the lake is west of Soja town. Soja, being the name of Kagato's space ship, would fall into the catagory of a many number of locations Masaki Kajishima would use as names, and would make a logical choice of locations he may have passed through that gave him inspiration for a location. Given the number of fields Seina rides his bike past as he rides through Town in GXP, the Masaki home is close to these fields. There are a large number of fields in this area once you take the road south into town.

2: Hinata Sou, estimated locations. (2 Locations)

GPS Coord 1: 35º 17' 55.18" N 139º 15' 06.73" E

GPS Coord 2: 35º 18' 10.28" N 139º 15' 16.02" E

Selection Logic:

Hinata exists in the fictional town of Hinata, a hot springs somewhere in Kanagawa. Locating the best position for the building had been a challenge. However, sketch and design notes from Love Hina ended up Narrowing the location to Ninomiya town.

First, Hinata of course, had to have a GOOD hilltop vantage looking across Sagami Bay, and had to be only a mile or two from the shore at MAX. This narrowed it down to a section of Kanagawa that had hills in proximity to the coastline. Ninomiya , Naka, and Oiso towns ended up being the best canidates.

Then there's the onscreen shots from the Love Hina Anime that show the curve of the land around the bay to show Jogashima Lighthouse, slightly left. This reinforced that Hinata Sou is positioned to face more south across the bay. Which helps reinforce the hills in the Ninomiya/Naka/Oiso area.

Thirdly, more from the notes, is that the Hinata concept landscape art showed a railway running just to the south with a station practically right there. Since Hinata was an Inn, it would be economic logic to place both it and the teahouse within veritable SPITTING distance of the train station. This would mean that I would have to find a train station along the rail line running near the coast, that was close to hills. Only the Ninomiya location has such a station. This pretty much placed Hinata on Mt. Azuma.

Fourth, Hinata is within walking distance of a river. The river runs to the east of the inn. The Ninomiya locations have such a river less than one thousand feet from Ninomiya Station. Examination of local panoramo photos found a bridge that matches designs of a bridge that exists in the Manga and the Anime.

This all but concludes that Hinata town is really Ninomiya town renamed to protect the innocent. The reason for two locations is that the 'prime' location indicated by the first GPS coordinet is sitting smack dab in Azumayama Park on top of Mt. Azuma. The notes also indicate that the landscape was not final. Thus, it is likely Akamatsu decided to move the Inn slightly. The second coordinet marker is to the northeast, slightly further back, but has a roadway more matching the indication from final Manga and anime layouts that runs to a bridge crossing the river. Of greatest note is that the marker is right on top of a very large building.

3: Those Who Hunt Elves

TWHE does not take place on Earth.

4: Hikawa Jinja (Hikawa Shrine, Temble Grounds)

GPS Coord: 35º 40' 05.08" N 139º 44' 08.07" E

Hikawa IS an actual location in downtown Tokyo. While it took a while to work out the location because of the overall vastness of Tokyo, once I had it narrowed down, panoramo photos pretty much confirmed it. The grounds measure roughly 450 feet front to back, and 200 feet side to side.

5: Nerima Ward

GPS Coordinets: Hikarigaoka: 35º 45' 30.74" N 139º 37' 44.97" E

GPS Coordinets: Narimasu: 35º 46' 39.95" N 139º 37' 52.68" E

I have no idea what Hikarigaoka is, save that it looks like a business park or college campus the way it's laid out. So it makes for a nice point of interest.

Now, while it is technically impossible to determine the exact position of any given thing from the evidence presented in Ranma... Certain aspects can be ruled out, and points of interest can be narrowed down. Narimasu is one such point. Narimasu appears to be a shopping district. It is but one of about three major 'shopping' hotspots on the Google Earth maps for the northern Nerima area. Narimasu grabs interest because it has an economic hotspot value. It sits wedged between two rail lines, has narrow streets, and from Google Earth's highest resolution images, has a significant amount of foot traffic. This may well be one of many possible locations of the Nekohanten.

Criteria for personal investigation as follows.

a Turn on the Shops markers in google earth. Select only restaraunts and grocery stores, and pubs.

b Find concentrations of these, best bet is near train stations.

c The shopping district(s) shown in Ranma are heavy on foot traffic. Focus on concentrations of shops that rely on small streets with pedestrians pretty much owning the entire street. If you don't know what to look for, focus on Narimasu and observe.

6: Nekomi and Surrounding areas

GPS Coordinets: Tariki Hongon Temple Analogue: 35º 30' 49.59" N 140º 15' 27.52" E

Selection Logic.

Nekomi, Tariki Hongon, and the surrounding area, are a fictional town located within' Chiba Prefecture at the north-east end of Tokyo Bay. While the town itself technically does not exist. Analogues of what it would be like can be found with a little look.

The selected GPS coordinets are for a panoramo photo of an otherwise unmarked shrine that happens to have the very kind of steps seen leading up to Tariki Hongon.

The selection required fitting some criteria. First of all, the actual canon information on the location. It was up in some hills, and more or less peaceful. This precluded it from being down IN town. However it's close enough that one can WALK to Nekomi Tech. Keiichi obviously didn't walk, he rode his bike.

Another important criteria was its proximity to Tokyo proper. The location would have to be convenient enough that Keiichi would find driving down into the Tokyo metro areas to be more convenient. This precludes the southern areas of Chiba, as driving all the way around Tokyo bay would prove to be too much of a hassle for short trips. (The Tokyo Bay Aqualine which effectively shortcuts over, then under Tokyo Bay, was not completed until 1997. The Manga timeline, which I'm using as the base for the story, combined with technical details, from the TV series, started around 1989... The travel time on the Aqualine is about 15 minutes vs the roundabout 90 minutes around the bay.)

In order to fulfill location requirements. The town of Nekomi would have to be near hills, somewhere in the more northern section of Chiba, a short trip from 'down town'. As the very northern parts of Chiba are more flat land than hills, that was ruled out. Leaving a strip of land from Chiba city itself along a rail line through Midori as the prime real-estate.

Toke makes for a good compromise of these criterion. And as would be neat to point out, a few miles due south is the Minami Chiba racing circuit. From the two Panoramo photos found there, it appears to be a dirt-bike course.

7: Jail's Base

This does not exist on Earth, but on the fictional planet of Mid-Childa.

Appendix C: Equipment Notes

- Firearms in Ritsuko's Posession (Those Who Hunt Elves)

USP-90, G-36C, M-16A1, PSG-1, M-67 Fragmentation Grenade, M-18A1 Claymore Mine

- Most likely 'shotgun' to be in Ritsuko's Arsenal based on information on what the JGSDF and Japanese Police Forces have available.

Mossberg Series 500. Common Ammo, 00 Buck

- Mossberg 500 Series Tactical

5 round tube, one chamber. 12 Gauge.

Safety switch on top of weapon behind trigger. Made for regular stock, not Tactical. Requires two-step motion. Weapon can be loaded via the tube, or directly into the chamber with the action open. Weapon equipped with Bead Sights, and screw on mountings for a sling.

- Shampoo's ancient chinese weapons: Called "Chui"

Round weighted ball with handle sticking out of one side. Used for smashing attacks by strong fighters.

Appendix D: Spacebattles Virtual Discussion

AdmiralTigercla

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I've got a thought for you guys. What are your opinions on alternate realities? For example, let's say there are alternate realities across the multiverse that contain every form of fiction you've ever seen.

Do you think it would be possible to tie those realities together?

Terrace

I'm not sure. I suppose that it would depend on how you could go from one reality to another. As for 'every form of fiction you've ever seen', perhaps the respective creators got 'psychic flashes' from these other worlds. I use the term 'psychic flashes' because I honestly can't come up with a better term.

Panaka

Do they exist? Don't know. Then again I'm not a scientist with the appropriate degree. I'd like to think they do, however.

If they exist, can they be linked? Again, Don't know. The notion isn't unknown in fiction, though. Startrek having the every possible outcome actually happening and the universe/dimension splitting off at that moment. Travel between being possible by special transporter. I Also heard about a novell where baseline humans 'muses' and inspiration for writing and cinema are writers getting glimpses from other universes. This being almost exactly what you described.

Edit: Thinking about it, if one universe has dimentional travel (StarTrek, Stargate, ect) wouldn't that count as proof that they are all tied together in some way?

Vlad III

There are many fictions that have a multiverse in them. The One for example or The Manifold series where from one universe where the Downstreamers destroyed their universe and created multiple ones and there is the every action creates a separate and distinct universe of its own setings like Stargate for example.

If there were different universes for every fiction created there would need to be some stratification or layering so that the ones with a single universe or with a limited number of ones to be able to exist.

Jim Starluck

I like to call it the "Inevitable Fiction" Hypothesis (conveniently, "IF" for short). The more parallel universes you have, the closer the probability that any given Universe A will be described by a work of fiction in Universe B with 100% accuracy approaches 1:1.

The scary part is when you realize this doesn't just apply to, say, well-known published fiction. It applies equally well to every single possible work of fiction, including the worst of it. If it has been thought up or can be thought up, and there really is an infinite number of parallel universes, then it's out there somewhere.

As to tying them together, yeah, I agree with Terrace. It depends significantly on the method you use to move between them.

Edit: Vlad, I like think that the "distance" between universes is variable, and any method for moving between them is inherently imprecise. For example, two universes that are very, very similar may be only a few nanometers apart, but universes which differ significantly may be several meters away. If your method of transit can only resolve inter-universal "distances" of a meter or more, you'll never be able to visit the universes that are "closest" to you and thus most like your own. Conversely, if your method of transit has a low maximum "range", you'll never be able to stray too far from home, and thus any parallel universes you visit will still be recognizable analogs of your native universe.

X on

Well if they're all real then its easy to assume they can be connected. How it could happen is anyone's guess other then things that can do it.

AdmiralTigercla

So let's say I pick up one of my DVD's off the shelf. In this case, I have Sailor Moon season one uncut here...

What would you guys say to a reality, where that IS reality?

X on

Shrug and continue on my way. Its not my reality so why would i care?

Vlad III

Girls in sailor outfits?

Nice.

Jonen C

I've thought something like this might be possible (and given an infinite universe/multiverse/WSoGMM, it must be possible). I've even been toying around with a few self-insert ideas/megacrossover ideas toying with the idea. The thing is - since it's interesting to philosophize on morality, I've thought about this quite a bit - one can't EVER make assumptions (you know what they say about when you assume...), and really, should try to disregard what one knows - or rather, THINKS one know - of a universe from fiction if one should find oneself interacting with it (or what appears to be a fictional universe one is familiar with).

Simply - what are the sources. And are they accurate. Before the universe becomes fiction, it has got to have gone through an Author. The author has probably made several revisions in his or her creative process. Depending on the medium, we then add editors, producers, directors, actors and other creative staff. And then we have fan interpretation and analysis. What do we really know, and what actually matches the fictional universe.

Take Sailor Moon as an example. If there really is a SM verse out there, is it based on the Manga (and which manga), the Anime, the Live Action show, the Musicals, what? Or is it merely that the "real" SM universe is something that the creator (can't recall how to spell her last name and ain't gonna try) caught a glimpse of inspiration from when creating Sailor V, and everything we know as SM! is just extrapolation from that first glimpse?

Given an infinite universe, of course, there must be an infinite number of universes that are completely accurate to the fiction we've seen in our home universe. There's also an infinite number of universes that, while appearing similar to what we know, really aren't. Universes that match up to fanfiction. Universes that match up to alt-verses (Star Trek style mirrorverses... Star Gate style alternate universes). Crossovers, fusions etc etc. A splay for every possibility and variations of every splay.

And an even larger infinite number of universes that aren't represented in fiction at all. Nonhuman universes. Alien universes. Completely incompatible universes... As an aside, I like both Unicorn Jelly (and assorted side stories/sequels) and the Hitchhikers Guide...

And of course, there would be universes in which our lives are represented as fiction in one form or another (fun thought - jump into your favorite fictional universe and find out the main characters enjoy reading about the fictional exploits of the various members of the Spacebattles forum - worthy of a plot tribble?).

Anyway, my point on morality was this (before I got sidetracked): If you end up entering a fictional universe, you can't act on the foreknowledge you have - not just for risk of changing something and rendering it invalid - but more importantly because you probably don't know exactly what goes, what information is accurate and what is not. Ethically, you should disregard everything you think you know, in such a situation. Practically - if you are going to act on the knowledge, VERIFY what you know before you act.

Of course, my main gripe is against people who seem to insist that people who in fiction who commit crimes at some point are to be punished by time travelers going back to before the crime was done, or dimensional travelers who know they might commit the crime, even though the actions of the time/dimensional traveler are probably going to render the situation moot. Minority Report and all that - you can't punish someone for a crime that has not yet been committed, especially if/while the crime can be prevented.

EDIT: Forgot to mention: There is also never any guarantee that a work of fiction will have a universe in which it is real, at least not one that can be reached. Given infinity to work with, the probability approaches 1, but... Infinity is pretty big.

Also, seems a lot of people are faster than my rant... I think I've overthunk on the subject...

Denoel Muerta

Do you mean real with us living in this reality, or just that there is such a reality

X on

Oh come on Vlad aren't you like 300 hundred or something? I think there a little young for you.

Panaka

Don't know Sailor Moon that well, but I'm glad I don't live in a verse where my continued existance depends on a couple of high school girls in silly uniforms sprouting silly speeches when they start fighting. On the other hand my counterpart in that world wouldn't know anything about those girls. Ignorance is bliss.

Vlad III

Originally Posted by X on View Post Oh come on Vlad aren't you like 300 hundred or something? I think there a little young for you.

578 actually. But who's counting?

EDIT: Admiral are you asking what I would do in a setting such as Sailor moon if I existed there or what?

AdmiralTigercla

Panaka brings up a good comment... A counterpart. Would you even have one? Alternate reality stories enjoy putting 'alternate you' in place... but does anyone really think there would be an alternate you out there?

X on

Originally Posted by Vlad III View Post 578 actually. But who's counting?

You it seems.

nick012000

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post So let's say I pick up one of my DVD's off the shelf. In this case, I have Sailor Moon season one uncut here... What would you guys say to a reality, where that IS reality?

Age of consent is 14 in Japan, isn't it?

X on

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post Panaka brings up a good comment... A counterpart. Would you even have one? Alternate reality stories enjoy putting 'alternate you' in place... but does anyone really think there would be an alternate you out there?

Sure but of course i'm the best of the lot.

And if another me wants to tango ill be waiting!

Jonen C

As for living in the Sailor Moon verse...

Usagi Tsukino has the power to rewrite reality.

Need I say more?

EDIT: As for an alternate me... Well, I hope so. I hope I never meet him/her/it/them/us [pronoun confusion!].

I have, after all, long since decided on my standard operation procedure should I run into myself.

Denoel Muerta

Even if there was a counterpart in the SM Verse, he would still be some where in germany, if it was my counterpart. so it would be a moot point

X on

Originally Posted by Jonen C View Post I have, after all, long since decided on my standard operation procedure should I run into myself.

There can only be one right C?

Jonen C

Originally Posted by Denoel Muerta View Post Even if there was a counterpart in the SM Verse, he would still be some where in germany, if it was my counterpart. so it would be a moot point

Given that it's implied that the big freeze or whatever is supposed to happen twenty or so minutes in the future from when the story is set, our counterparts may even already be dead. Depending on how that worked out.

One can always hope that the interpretation that time travel has caused the future of the SM verse to be set in stone is false, and that Tsukino et al will find a way to prevent a human die off... Or that the reason there's not so many people on Earth is simply because mankind has mostly moved on into space, and Earth is a protected garden world or some such...

Also - before someone asks.

[Jonen sees a dimensional copy of himself] [Jonens dimensional copy sees Jonen] [Both charge at each other screaming "There can be ONLY ONE"]

EDIT: X on Got it in one.

Also, speaking of the subject, anyone remember that Jackie Chan movie "One"? EDIT2. memory flaw - Jet Li, The One. You may bonk me over the head now.

Panaka

Depends on the splitting point if you take the "sum of al choices" theory from Star Trek and what has happened in the "show/comic" before you get inserted. There may be a "you" that is identical in all aspects, or somebody who looks like you but has had a minor thing changed due to butterfly effect from the history of that verse. Or a major event that completly chaned the personality. Or a peron with your name, but who looks different or he became a she. the possibilities are endless.

Eva would not have a "Panaka". "I" live in Holland and probably would have drowned in second impact. Sailor Moon I don't know enough to make that judgement.

Edit: There's also the time travel bit. Some shows are set in the past or future from our perspective. Our alternate may be younger, older or dead if he existed.

Wakka

Multiverse theory is fairly common in fanfiction. Whether or not it exists is something best left to the physicists. In terms of linking universes it depends on what kind of link is meant. A bridge like a wormhole or portal is fairly common. Weber's Hell's Gate series comes to mind, as well as Chalker's Dancing Gods series. Trying to actually fuse different series's together is always a chimera though.

Tying the universes together is pretty easy (regardless of how transportation works), as long as you allow the physics of one universe to function in another, again common.

Trying to reconcile why one reality has fiction of another is pretty much up to handwavium. I suppose in a universe as described sooner or later one reality will have accurate fiction of everything else out there, if only due to chance. Of course, another reality will have just as accurate fiction about them too.

Semi edit: Yikes. The thread has moved. Let's take this in order...

Quote: So let's say I pick up one of my DVD's off the shelf. In this case, I have Sailor Moon season one uncut here... What would you guys say to a reality, where that IS reality?

Depends on what the endgame becomes. Assuming Crystal Tokyo isn't a horrible dystopia then no problem. Good guys win, bad guys lose, people who die are brought back to life. Apparently without the myriad legal clusterfucks, but that's another thing.

Quote: Panaka brings up a good comment... A counterpart. Would you even have one? Alternate reality stories enjoy putting 'alternate you' in place... but does anyone really think there would be an alternate you out there?

If there was, and we met, I'd have a perfectly good friend who shares my taste in games. Not a bad thing. Then again, I'm fairly easygoing.

Rieverre

I'd say there'd pretty much have to be more going on offscreen than we're ever explicitly shown. And I don't only mean the whole girls in short skirts fighting for love and justice angle - it's pretty ridiculous at first glance, subjectively speaking. Plenty of untapped potential in the background waiting to be explored, though, and maybe some of that will make the whole shebang make sense.

Hell, the whole 'having real and provable powers beyond mortal ken' issue alone would be food for more consideration than my brain can wrap itself around. I'd definitely hope Metallia wasn't a Yozi, anyway.

But I'm going off on a tangent again.

Alternate universes ... personally, I'm of the opinion that existence would be boring without infinite possibility, and following from that, everything is. Everything is, everything was, and everything will be. World as Myth is perfectly plausible from where I'm standing, if only because nobody's managed to prove the contrary yet.

Tying transfictionality together into one coherent whole ... just the idea gives me headaches. Tie together by what means? How would that even work with, say, a universe that has the vaguely described factor called 'magic' which folds, spindles and mutilates the laws of physics and one that doesn't? I could imagine it being tied together by concepts. Archetypes. Patterns of storytelling? That sort of thing. But that may be going too far into metaphysical hogwash.

Wait, what exactly do _you_ mean by 'tie together'? Some grand cosmic-scale fusion?

DarthGamer

If I ever find out that I have alternate versions of me, I will endeavour to contact them and together, conquer the universe(s).

I will of course give all members of SB the option of living and serving as my eternal lackeys. Except Damar, that filthy NaruHina shipper

nick012000

Originally Posted by Wakka View Post Depends on what the endgame becomes. Assuming Crystal Tokyo isn't a horrible dystopia then no problem. Good guys win, bad guys lose, people who die are brought back to life. Apparently without the myriad legal clusterfucks, but that's another thing.

It's a society based on magical mind control to keep everyone happy. Of course it's a dystopia, and the people with the ability to do anything about it are the ones who are ruling the entire shebang, so it's not like they're going to do anything. Handing the car keys of reality to an idiot teenager was not the most brilliant move that talking cat made.

X on

Originally Posted by DarthGamer View Post If I ever find out that I have alternate versions of me, I will endeavour to contact them and together, conquer the universe(s).

Don't kid your self you'll be bowing under my awesomeness.

Tabi

Its pretty simple: If reality exists, then reality exists. If there are such a thing as multiple realities, this brings up the case of alternate realities, which then brings up the case of alternate realities being so bizarre to the point they would become so alternate that they would eventually become infinitesimally random and progressively infinite until there are several copies of the any fictional reality with minute or second differences.

With all that, it isn't out of the realm of possibilities for them to be interconnected with each other. I mean, if alternate realities and thus multi-realities and multi-universes are generated from each other's influences, it comes from the idea that there are multiple 'threads' of multiple 'webs' bridging each other universe together. Imagination is such a chaotic thing isn't it? The universe and the very fabric of reality and matter must have some form of it to be such a orderly chaos.

Now if one were to be jumped from one end to another, with each 'reality/universe' it'd depend on your 'quantum signature' being attracted to a specific corresponding signature in any of those random copies of any fictional or non fictional universes. Since they're all infinite, theres bound to be one just for you.

Brellin

An Alternate me? I would depend largely on the time-frame I suppose. A lot of the older anime and other fictional works either take place in times long before/after the period in which I was born or "just before" or "just after". Take into account also that interpretations of what 2010 might be like in SM (a show that I believe takes place in the 80's) could be vastly different from what 2010 is like in "RL".

An alternate version of myself really only makes sense if the setting itself is similar to what "real-life" is like, in a setting where there is easily accessible (or at least observable) super-science or magic an "alternate me" would really only be me in the sense that that person has my name and looks like me, because chances are their life experiances would be entirely different due to the different nature of their setting. At that point, its not so much alternate-me as it is a person that looks/sounds like me but isn't.

As for the original question regarding alternate realitites, it depends on what interpretation you use. The Omega Point for instance could simulate an infinite number of realities due to its infinite processing power due to the nature of the device, but it itself is in a very finite and very single universe. Then there are intrepretations like from Trek and Stargate, where every action taken *has* been taken in an alternate universe. Going by fiction there are plenty of beings, technologies, and organizations that can breach dimensional boundries, and assuming infinite realities/infinite variation it stands to reason suchs things/beings do in fact exist, at least somwhere.

The problem with this of course is that most speculative fiction that has beings or technologies capable of such things are horrible gribbly monsters that would like nothing better than to snack on your soul, which stands counterpart to the ability to bridge realities since afterall if there are an infinite number of reality-hopping monsters in theory we ourselves should have already encountered one.

Rieverre

Like I said, everything.

Then again, you'd have to consider - what makes me, me? Sum of all parts, right? Experience, memory, attitude. And you're not even sure how much of an impact one simple change may have. One moment of things going differently spirals out of control and you get someone who wears your face but whom you possibly wouldn't acknowledge as being 'you' anymore.

EDIT: If I ever run into him, I have a single-word offbeat reply that will tell me whether it's still me or not. Be prepared for the weird!

AdmiralTigercla

Okay, by Tying together, I mean something like this.

Let's say one day our dear friendly neighborhood Random Omnipotent Being decided to drop kick you into an alternate universe.

However, when you get there, the whole thing plays out to a T as fiction you've seen. Think of it as Self Insertion gone horribly wrong. In the former case of Sailor Moon... Let's say I end up landing right in the middle of Hikawa shrine during a monster attack.

How would we really suggest to handle that mess? (And the implications to 'fiction' as we know it?)

Wakka

Originally Posted by nick012000 It's a society based on magical mind control to keep everyone happy.

First off, you're making me defend Sailor Moon. Fuck.

Could you name the anime episode or manga book that that's in? Or even implied? Frankly, everything I've seen says that that's fanon. And frankly the entire setup is not a little outside Usagi's characterization and the overarching theme of good guys winning.

EDIT: Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw Let's say one day our dear friendly neighborhood Random Omnipotent Being decided to drop kick you into an alternate universe. However, when you get there, the whole thing plays out to a T as fiction you've seen. Think of it as Self Insertion gone horribly wrong. In the former case of Sailor Moon... Let's say I end up landing right in the middle of Hikawa shrine during a monster attack. How would we really suggest to handle that mess?

If I'm not getting out of the universe, then I'm fucked. I don't speak Japanese or carry heavy weapons around. I'd run like hell and hope that ROB will whisk me away. Then I'll head to the nearest embassy. If the monster follows it'll get a face full of M-16 fire courtesy of the marines.

nick012000

Originally Posted by Tabi View Post Now if one were to be jumped from one end to another, with each 'reality/universe' it'd depend on your 'quantum signature' being attracted to a specific corresponding signature in any of those random copies of any fictional or non fictional universes. Since they're all infinite, theres bound to be one just for you.

I don't think physics work that way, dude, and you're talking to someone who believes that God created the Many Worlds Interpretation so that we would have free will because time wouldn't be linear, it'd branch. - DarthGamer

Originally Posted by X on View Post Don't kid your self you'll be bowing under my awesomeness.

Silence noob! *sacrifices X on to the MOOSE*

Valiant

We also don't know that things would be exactly the same as they are 1:1 supposed other dimension to Anime. Theoretically at least, a few studios that made an anime might have tweaked things a little bit to be more appealing to the target audience.

EDIT: Ok I got over taken writing my post...

How to handle things... Well it would depend on a few things, what time is it, the monster in question. And being unarmed... I'd have to say stay out of the way

Panaka

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post Okay, by Tying together, I mean something like this. Let's say one day our dear friendly neighborhood Random Omnipotent Being decided to drop kick you into an alternate universe. However, when you get there, the whole thing plays out to a T as fiction you've seen. Think of it as Self Insertion gone horribly wrong. In the former case of Sailor Moon... Let's say I end up landing right in the middle of Hikawa shrine during a monster attack. How would we really suggest to handle that mess? (And the implications to 'fiction' as we know it?)

Run like hell. I don't have super powers and would only slow the ones with them down.

Jonen C

Quote: Originally Posted by Rieverre View Post Wait, what exactly do _you_ mean by 'tie together'? Some grand cosmic-scale fusion?

My interpretation is more of the Guide's suggestion of a Whole Sort of General Mishmash... Or really, no. More like a collection of different multiverses, each of which contains a set of universes. The universes in a set are similar, the multiverses in the WSoGMM need not be.

Infinite is funky, and besides, physical laws tend to be universal constants. Multiversal constants... Well, that'd be something else entirely.

Navigation would be interesting as well, and not necessarily restrained by merely three dimensions, plus time.

"So you want to go from universe A to universe B? Well, first you need to find out where they are relative to each other. They both have humans living on the planet Earth? Well that means they're on the same plane on that particular set of coordinates. They're both roughly in the same cosmic era? The universes follow roughly the same rules..."

And don't even get started on the Timey wimey ball.

Quote: Originally Posted by nick012000 View Post It's a society based on magical mind control to keep everyone happy. Of course it's a dystopia, and the people with the ability to do anything about it are the ones who are ruling the entire shebang, so it's not like they're going to do anything. Handing the car keys of reality to an idiot teenager was not the most brilliant move that talking cat made.

Alternate interpretations dude. I like the dystopian interpretation, and even I'll agree that Usagi is too kind to do that intentionally (as she is).

But, of course. Infinite WSoGMM.

Does mean there'd be a verse where Sailor Moon CS is real, and another where ShadowJacks interpretation is completely accurate... (Go Go Kamen Scooter!)

X on

Originally Posted by DarthGamer View Post Silence noob! *sacrifices X on to the MOOSE*

Ha the "Moose" you speak of is powerless and tasty.

*hands Darth a Moose leg*

Tabi

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post Okay, by Tying together, I mean something like this. Let's say one day our dear friendly neighborhood Random Omnipotent Being decided to drop kick you into an alternate universe. However, when you get there, the whole thing plays out to a T as fiction you've seen. Think of it as Self Insertion gone horribly wrong. In the former case of Sailor Moon... Let's say I end up landing right in the middle of Hikawa shrine during a monster attack. How would we really suggest to handle that mess? (And the implications to 'fiction' as we know it?)

Well, assuming one should receive fore-warning, then well yeah...Unfortunately I'm not much of a Sailor Moon fan. Maybe when I was around 12 years old, but the events during that sequence of events is something I'm not aware of.

In any case, I'd be very very confused. Throw in a monster attack, I'll do whatever any normally confused and utterly frightened human being does: Either piss in my jeans, run away, hide, find out what the hell is going on, or hide. Combine or in any order as you'd wish. Assuming one was a total otaku and knew exactly what would happen, your very being there may or may not change things depending on the situation.

Quote: Originally Posted by nick012000 View Post I don't think physics work that way, dude, and you're talking to someone who believes that God created the Many Worlds Interpretation so that we would have free will because time wouldn't be linear, it'd branch.

With alternate realities and the multiverse and adding in a Random Omnipotent Being/Entity dropkicking one into a fictional universe, I don't think physics working the way we think it should be is the biggest of our problems.

Warringer

I want to know if there are alternate versions of SpaceBattles in the other universes...

As long as there is, I'd be content with living there and trying not to get involved in shit...

Rieverre

Don't die. Until you're reasonably sure that you're not going to die, don't even bother thinking about ramifications and implications of 'fiction' actually being real and just a step to the left of Reality As We Know It.

For the sake of the argument, I'm in ... what '92-'96 or something to that effect? In my body now, or in my body then? With or without 'vaild' ID and actual documented existence? Because that could get dicey.

I guess, above and beyond anything else, I'd make it a point to seek power. This ties into the whole 'don't die' issue. Before, I only suspected there are Big Bad Nasty Things out there waiting to crunch down on my soul. Now I KNOW. So yeah. Status quo was just upset and social norms may as well have been thrown out the window, and as much as I'd be potentially delighted at something like that happening, I'd also be scared as fuck of ending up, as I am, somewhere where Things That Should Not Be roam.

Jonen C

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post Let's say I end up landing right in the middle of Hikawa shrine during a monster attack. How would we really suggest to handle that mess? (And the implications to 'fiction' as we know it?)

Duck and cover, run for the hills, and hope to hell the Silver Crystal Dragon Jesus Ex Machina can send you back home?

As for the implication to fiction: What of it? As stated - infinity is a big place. Even the universe is going to run out of ideas eventually.

Given sufficiently large infinities, the improbable becomes common.

Panaka

Here's a scary thought:

You get dropped in Nobody Dies Eva verse. The first thing you hear: Heeeee~eeeey

AdmiralTigercla

So what about the PRACTICAL implications of such a jump?

You have the knowledge of the characters and the setting, and you just got dumped in the middle of it. What does this mean from your standpoint? And what could this mean on the larger scale. If one universe that was 'fictional' is now real, what about other 'fictional' universes?

DarthGamer

Quote: Originally Posted by X on View Post Ha the "Moose" you speak of is powerless and tasty. *hands Darth a Moose leg*

That moose also probably has 5 different forms of rabies after chewing on so many noobs.

And can probably maul you in 5 seconds.

Tabi

Quote: Originally Posted by Rieverre View Post Don't die. Until you're reasonably sure that you're not going to die, don't even bother thinking about ramifications and implications of 'fiction' actually being real and just a step to the left of Reality As We Know It. For the sake of the argument, I'm in ... what '92-'96 or something to that effect? In my body now, or in my body then? With or without 'vaild' ID and actual documented existence? Because that could get dicey. I guess, above and beyond anything else, I'd make it a point to seek power. This ties into the whole 'don't die' issue. Before, I only suspected there are Big Bad Nasty Things out there waiting to crunch down on my soul. Now I KNOW. So yeah. Status quo was just upset and social norms may as well have been thrown out the window, and as much as I'd be potentially delighted at something like that happening, I'd also be scared as fuck of ending up, as I am, somewhere where Things That Should Not Be roam.

And thus the main reactions: Either piss in my jeans, run away, hide, find out what the hell is going on, or hide. Combine or in any order as you'd wish.

Warringer

Quote: Originally Posted by Panaka View Post Here's a scary thought: You get dropped in Nobody Dies Eva verse. The first thing you hear: Heeeee~eeeey

Could be worse and at the same time more awesome...

It could be Shinji and Warhammer 40k...

nick012000

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonen C View Post Alternate interpretations dude. I like the dystopian interpretation, and even I'll agree that Usagi is too kind to do that intentionally (as she is).

Well, yeah, she's kind, but if she thinks what she's doing is a Good Thing, do you really think she'd think it far enough through to realise that she's creating a dystopia in the process? She's all Love and Justice, and not the brightest bulb around. -

Tabi

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post So what about the PRACTICAL implications of such a jump? You have the knowledge of the characters and the setting, and you just got dumped in the middle of it. What does this mean from your standpoint? And what could this mean on the larger scale. If one universe that was 'fictional' is now real, what about other 'fictional' universes?

Assuming one has all that knowledge, assuming you are indeed within a fictional reality (a misnomer if there was one), then your literally being there changes the dynamics of everything, especially should you take part in minor or, heaven forbid, major events in some shape or form. If you have indeed 'jumped' to such a universe, then it seems obvious that other fictional realities are also possible.

spooky316

Pray to whatever deity you believe in? Realistically, a normal person punted in front of a youma attack doesn't stand much of a chance. Sure, if said ROB provided demon-killing weapons it would be a different story (maybe) but I'm thinking the best idea would be to try to either hide or get away without being seen by the youma. Having my energy sucked doesn't sound fun.

Ninja Edit: Quote: So what about the PRACTICAL implications of such a jump? You have the knowledge of the characters and the setting, and you just got dumped in the middle of it. What does this mean from your standpoint? And what could this mean on the larger scale. If one universe that was 'fictional' is now real, what about other 'fictional' universes?

If by "dumped into the middle" you mean actually becoming involved with the story, well that probably wouldn't be a good thing. Once I make a change the butterfly effect comes into play. Just by becoming involved in the main story I could conceivably have changed things. It may not become apparent right away, but as time goes on it would be increasingly foolish to keep trusting my memories of the original timeline. As for other fictional universes, if I find myself dropped into one I have no reason to doubt I couldn't be dropped into another.

Rieverre

Quote: Infinite is funky, and besides, physical laws tend to be universal constants. Multiversal constants... Well, that'd be something else entirely. Navigation would be interesting as well, and not necessarily restrained by merely three dimensions, plus time.

I wouldn't assume anything quite that neat. Worst case scenario, physical laws are only local constants, but multiverse clusters as wholes are ... huh ... tied together by the fact that the physical laws within them are within a certain set of tolerances.

That _could_ work.

And if magic exists somewhere, you could maybe traverse from one universe to another via paths of sympathy - say, between universes where the 'fiction' they relate to is based on specific plot structures. Or, hell, point-to-point inter-universal transit _to_ one specifically defined item. Sympathy and contagion seem well enough established to facilitate that to some extent.

Wakka

Quote: Originally Posted by Adm So what about the PRACTICAL implications of such a jump? You have the knowledge of the characters and the setting, and you just got dumped in the middle of it. What does this mean from your standpoint? And what could this mean on the larger scale. If one universe that was 'fictional' is now real, what about other 'fictional' universes?

After the initial reaction of running? After I get back home...well, regular humans can't really do much in that setting. I'd settle for keeping my head down, and well away from major fault lines/volcanos/coasts. Hopefully I'll survive the various gods-just-not-in-name clashing. The implications of other universes existing won't really matter.

Quote: Originally Posted by Panaka Here's a scary thought: You get dropped in Nobody Dies Eva verse. The first thing you hear: Heeeee~eeeey

I cry. Just...I cry. If I'm hearing that, not only am I in the middle of Tokyo goddamn 3, but I'm also probably somewhere I shouldn't be. After Rei finishes with me, Gendo and Yui will go to town.

Panaka

scientificly you'd have to jump to more then one. Once you've been to a couple you could start stating that all "fictional" verses of that type are real. Sailor Moon being Anime and after jumping to say Macross, Gundam Seed and Patlabor you could state all anime is probably real. Gut feeling after first jump: infinity is a big place. if one is real, good chance they all are.

To Warringer: Could be worse. You could get dropped in 2 minutes before third impact.

Jonen C

Again - you THINK you know about the characters and the setting. Confirm and verify that this is accurate before trying something. If it is accurate... Well, that's a valuable tool. Probably the biggest asset you're ever going to have - EVER. At least if you use it right. So how will you use that? Depends on what kind of person you are. "Don't be evil" is a good start.

In the SM setting... Well, a lot of the time the Girls could probably do with some tips and advise from genre savvy people who actually think about strategies to take down evil overlords and the like as a fricken *HOBBY*... And if that didn't set off your sarcasm detector, you can actually ignore the sarcasm if you have some actual foreknowledge that might be useful - assuming you're able to verify it and shepherd it so that butterflies won't make it inaccurate.

As for other fictional universes... That would depend on your ability to reach them, wouldn't it? If you can't reach them, it doesn't matter. If you can... Well, the world just got a little bit bigger (and a lot more confusing).

Vlad III

Hide.

If its exactly how its in the show the thing will resolve itself. I don't want to be randomly killed bystandard. Even if its not exactly the same these universes are going to be run the 'plot' and in the plot the hero usually wins.

Brellin

If I were dropped into that particular shrine during a monster attack? It would depend on several things really. For one, I don't speak japanese, at all, so the language barrier is going to be nigh-insurmountable if speaking to someone actually becomes an issue. Second, how obvious is the monster? How deadly looking is it? What are its abilities that I have observed/can infer? I might be willing to assist if the thing is at least reasonably human shaped and doesn't appear to be superhuman physically, doubly so if I have an actual weapon at hand (which I likely wouldn't, this being japan and all).

Perhaps more importantly though, do I even know where I am? I am used to SM looking like an anime, an old one at that. Seeing characters from an extremely old cartoon as represented in real-life I probably wouldn't be able to make the conection unless I was given some other hint or clue to go by. Chances are i'd be wondering how the hell I got dumped where-ever I was and would be busy gawking at the obvious monster that appears to be the area.

Without the knowledge that I have been "inserted" into an anime i'd likely not take any action that could endanger or reflect poorly on myself, whereas if I *did* know I was "inserted" i'd be far more prone to take unessisarly risky actions. The reason being of course that being a member of SB i'm used to the whole "ROB fucks with you" style of dickery, and would (perhaps illogically) assume that I have either been sufficently "uprated" or that I am not in any "real" danger since ROB will just kick me back to real-life if I "die". Naturally, the wouldn't be very conductive to good health if it turned out that that wasn't the case.

Panaka

Quote: Originally Posted by Wakka View Post I cry. Just...I cry. If I'm hearing that, not only am I in the middle of Tokyo goddamn 3, but I'm also probably somewhere I shouldn't be. After Rei finishes with me, Gendo and Yui will go to town.

Hey, at least you'll lose your ocular virginity.

Wakka

Quote: Hey, at least you'll lose your ocular virginity.

That is not a good thing. I need my eyes.

Rieverre

Assume they're all real. And now you're stuck in one. Astronomically small chance. PRACTICALLY, that really wouldn't mean much, though, if you just wanted to live out your life. Flipside, transit is possible. Transit is therefore possible for Bad Things as well as Good Things. Chances are I just made a ripple and got noticed by something.

nick012000

Quote: Originally Posted by Wakka View Post After the initial reaction of running? After I get back home...well, regular humans can't really do much in that setting.

Tuxedo Mask was a regular human. Well, until he gained psychic superpowers later on, anyway.

Vlad III

Oh! damn! not even a hour and were on the 3rd page

EDIT: And 3 simultaneous posts what is going on here?

Jonen C

Quote: Originally Posted by nick012000 View Post Well, yeah, she's kind, but if she thinks what she's doing is a Good Thing, do you really think she'd think it far enough through to realise that she's creating a dystopia in the process? She's all Love and Justice, and not the brightest bulb around.

Infinite WSoGMM. YMMV.

All in all, I'm thinking adopting a very Arthur Dent attitude is probably the best coping mechanism. Sure he's a whiny panicky git at first (and throughout most of the series, wouldn't you be?) but by the end there's not really much that will phase him (probably, in part, because he thinks he knows he won't die until some specific point in the future he thinks he can avoid).

Do you have your towel?

Terrace

If you wake up in that shrine (is that where Sailor Mars lives? I forget) during a monster attack, your FIRST priority, IMO, is to keep your head down. Search around for SOMETHING you could use against the monster. If it doesn't notice you, stab it in the back (thereby distracting it), and RUN! Unless you have a shotgun with infinite ammo with you, you would NOT survive a fight with one of those uglies.

AdmiralTigercla

So, let's up the stakes a little.

Let's say you've been through several realities in this fashion...

What would do in the short term?

Long term?

Personally, I don't think reality hopping would be the most, PLEASANT thing to have occur. All kinds of nasty shit you know.

What would you do with your information?

Wakka

Quote: Tuxedo Mask was a regular human. Well, until he gained psychic superpowers later on, anyway.

A regular human capable of jumping across rooftops and throwing roses like bullets. Also, he wasn't nearly so useless in the manga. Frankly, he only looked regular compared to the rest of the cast. Considering they could fit in with the Exalted universe fairly well, that doesn't say much.

Rieverre

Quote: Originally Posted by nick012000 View Post Tuxedo Mask was a regular human. Well, until he gained psychic superpowers later on, anyway.

Who could roofhop, throw armor piercing roses, and got psychic flashes and who knows what else there was. From the start. And let's not even start on being able to conjure equipment from thin air depending on mental state - see Moonlight Knight or

Tabi

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post So, let's up the stakes a little. Let's say you've been through several realities in this fashion... What would do in the short term? Long term? Personally, I don't think reality hopping would be the most, PLEASANT thing to have occur. All kinds of nasty shit you know. What would you do with your information?

Well, assuming you've made a few friends, you've learned lots about your situation.

Level up.

Get items that would benefit you. Learn certain skills that can benefit you. The multi-verse isn't all sunshine and flowers, you'll need the skills to survive every hop and hope you'll get out with as little injury as possible.

X on

I'd Kick its ass and add its name! because if you mess with the best, you die like the rest!

Really depends on whats happening, what i know, how i'm feeling, Etc. I mean i could ether run away or try and distract the monster to give the good guys a better chances to win(Even if i could die).

Warringer

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post What would you do with your information?

Try to keep myself out of the story...

On the other hand...

Didn't Carroglace write an SI where he tried that and failed? Only to dissolve into some sort of Marvel/Sailor Moon sort of thing?

Wakka

Quote: So, let's up the stakes a little. Let's say you've been through several realities in this fashion... What would do in the short term? Long term? Personally, I don't think reality hopping would be the most, PLEASANT thing to have occur. All kinds of nasty shit you know. What would you do with your information?

Short term I try to stay alive.

Long term I try to acquire weapons/enhancements. Weapons that preferably won't run out of ammo. Assuming I survive and can do the former, I help out the good guys as I can with what I have.

Hopping realities, especially fiction like Sailor Moon, as a regular human is pretty much suicide absent plot armor. It's only a matter of time before a painful death. Hence the "acquire weapons/enhancements".

EDIT: Quote: Originally Posted by Warringer Didn't Carroglace write an SI where he tried that and failed? Only to dissolve into some sort of Marvel/Sailor Moon sort of thing?

Yeah, it's Gaijin. It derailed like the rest of his stuff, but I just can't get into it like his others.

X on

I'd take them over one at a time! Nothing can stop me!

...

Short term survive.

Long term depends on what has happened.

Valiant

Well that actually might be something of a personal choice too, knowing that you can make a difference, can you stand by?

Panaka

Make the best use of the information that you have to stay alive and try to find out how I just ended up in a different verse. Find the trigger. If nothing turns up you have little more choice then to go slider and keep trying until you get back home. Remember infinity being a large place? Yhea...

Personally: If I have any choice at all in where I go, I'd go Startrek TNG or DS9. After 45 minutes Geordi or O'Brien will say something in techno babble and send me home.

Edit: If you happen to be a japanse teenager, find a mecha and get in. You'll be invincible.

Jonen C

I cite Arthur Dent again.

Try to just get on by. The universe will either ignore you (in which case you should get on fine) or it won't (in which case all bets are off and you should try to grab the initiative and take control of the situation).

Vlad III

What every self respecting SB would do of course.

Take over the multiverse.

Jonen C

Quote: Originally Posted by Vlad III View Post What every self respecting SB would do of course. Take over the multiverse.

Running the whole thing would be kind of a bother. Personally, I'd settle for setting myself up for the good life.

Brellin

The practical applications? That depends, my knowledge of SM is pretty fragmentary at best, and my most recent knowledge of the setting (and most of its follow-ons) have been through fan-fiction, not the best source for cannon material as one might guess. Still, I represent an extreme imbalance in the setting because of my "real-life" nature. I bring with me not only potential knowledge of future events but more importantly an incredible (if not fatal) amount of genre-savyness, ruthlessness, and insight. Most fictional settings (indeed all but the hardest of sci-fi usually) have their characters/nations/etcetc act pants-on-head-retarded in one fashion or another. Perhaps there is some sort of logical disconnect for them that prevents them from puzzling something out, or maybe there is some other reason. Regardless however, it doesn't apply to me.

As an outside "looking in" so to speak I can formulate plans and such that the good guys would have to try to fail, indeed I could upset the balance so much that the setting as I know it would quickly cease being even remotely similar (in terms of timeline of events) to what I would recognize. Naturally it would be important to limit my interference only to specific times where it is crucial for "the big win" or to prevent certain tragides, but thats only common sense.

Thats assuming I remain as a bog-standard human at that, if for some reason I too were to gain "magical" powers of some sort in accordance with the setting the changes only spiral out from there.

AdmiralTigercla

So, the general idea in such a situation is either

A: Duck and Cover

B: Exploit EVERYTHING.

That sound about right?

Warringer

Quote: Originally Posted by Vlad III View Post What every self respecting SB would do of course. Take over the multiverse.

True enough, Vlad.

On the other hand considering what might be out there, I'd want to have some serious backup in the firepower department.

Oh well, off to bed I go, been a long day.

Jonen C

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post So, the general idea in such a situation is either A: Duck and Cover B: Exploit EVERYTHING. That sound about right?

C: DO NOT BE EVIL.

Seriously - there's like a universal constant in the SM verse that says Evil doesn't pay and Love conquers all. Plus, you know, you should be a moral, ethical person and stuff.

Rieverre

Short term? I'd really want some kind of powerup. Force multiplier. Immortalent. Either. All. I am normal and squishy and ROBs tend to have a nasty sense of humor. Scavenge whatever may be useful, if I have time. Hell, a supporting cast who can follow me around and play safety net would be a very, very good to have.

And I'd still be hoping someone like the Doctor would stumble across me and help in getting things straightened out.

Long term? I'm assuming I'm jumping due to some ROB's sick sense of humor then. I'm assuming I'm _random_ jumping, more or less. Definitely want a supporting cast to watch my back since eventually, I'll end up somewhere that's going to hell in a handbasket right quick. But that's reactive. Proactively? Hell, pick up enough magecraft or mad science or know someone who has and convince them to help me stop random jumping. Pretty please with a cherry on top. Unless you run into or some convenient MacGuffin, which is either extremely likely or up there with 'no chance in hell' levels of happening, depending on the ROB's preference of plot.

As for information ... hell with it. Use it. Don't rely on it blindly, but it's still one of the few leg-ups I'd have from the get-go. Might as well spread the wealth and good-will a little with a hope for favorable returns later on if it doesn't result in personal hazard.

Rieverre

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post So, the general idea in such a situation is either A: Duck and Cover B: Exploit EVERYTHING. That sound about right?

To paraphrase the latest season - yes, unless it involves children crying. Or pretty girls crying.

Tabi

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post So, the general idea in such a situation is either A: Duck and Cover B: Exploit EVERYTHING. That sound about right?

That does sound about right. Those are, however remember this clearly, guidelines. They aren't rules. You don't have to follow them. You can be chaotic neutral, evil, dastardly good, whatever. Your main goal is to survive and feel good about it. Theres also thinking short and long term.

X on

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post So, the general idea in such a situation is either A: Duck and Cover B: Exploit EVERYTHING. That sound about right?

Got that right. And before i forget don't forget D: Nuke it from orbit its the only way to be sure.

Sayle

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post So let's say I pick up one of my DVD's off the shelf. In this case, I have Sailor Moon season one uncut here... What would you guys say to a reality, where that IS reality?

I would say that there have to be consistent laws of physics and the like, so shows that violate them I find difficult to envisage actually occuring.

Vlad III

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonen C View Post Running the whole thing would be kind of a bother. Personally, I'd settle for setting myself up for the good life.

Yeah I know. But in the end I would become a entity that barely resembles what I am now. I always wanted to make a hive mind of self independent Me's. Still even if I don't try to take the evil conqueror routine. I'm still going to try to get as much powers I can get unless the price is too high.

Panaka

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonen C View Post C: DO NOT BE EVIL. Seriously - there's like a universal constant in the SM verse that says Evil doesn't pay and Love conquers all. Plus, you know, you should be a moral, ethical person and stuff.

What he said. Be carefull. There may be laws of "nature that apply to a specific verse. Good always wins, anything is possible as long as it is funny, ect. Think about the movie Action Man by the Governator if that helps.

Rizumu

So, you've managed to hop realities, somehow - into the middle of a monster attack in SM. Yeah, as if that's going to end well. Let's see, no weapons, no money, no id and a language barrier. Well, at least you're in a shrine, start praying.

Jonen C

Quote: Originally Posted by Sayle View Post I would say that there have to be consistent laws of physics and the like, so shows that violate them I find difficult to envisage actually occuring.

Some of it would probably be exaggerated for comedic effect. But then we have universes like FLCL and TTGL (or hell GunBuster) which just throws everything out the window of a moving car, runs it over several times and then gets out to point and laugh.

AdmiralTigercla

Quote: Originally Posted by Panaka View Post What he said. Be carefull. There may be laws of "nature that apply to a specific verse. Good always wins, anything is possible as long as it is funny, ect. Think about the movie Action Man by the Governator if that helps.

Last Action Hero actually.

And good point.

So, Exploit everything, don't make girls cry... But Otherwise Raw Raw Fight Da Powah!

Cool. I can dig that.

Anyway... I have work in ten minutes. I gotta roll.

Terrace

PRAY you don't end up in an anime world like Berserk. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, let me explain: In the beginning, it mostly plays out like a grim and gritty fantasy story. Corrupt nobles, wandering bandits and mercenary bands (and I mean mercenaries that are criminals in all but name), even demons who only exist because people BELIEVE they exist. It follows the adventures of a swordsman named Guts, who is absurdly good with a sword, and is nicknamed the 'Hundred-Man Slayer'. Once the 'Eclipse' Arc hits, however, the story morphs into pure horror.

Wakka

Quote: What every self respecting SB would do of course. Take over the multiverse

In time, perhaps. As a regular human periodically hopping realities it'll be impossible though. As a Culture-enhanced Exalted Core Commander? Ha.

Hahaha.

*cough*

Quote: So, the general idea in such a situation is either A: Duck and Cover B: Exploit EVERYTHING. That sound about right?

Pretty much. I'd also try to avoid tempting fate like Carrot's SI's do. It seems that the irony gods enjoy punishing people who gloat too much.

Generally speaking good guys tend to have a better support base to call upon, so stay on that ethical side until you're sure that nothing higher powered is inclined to reach out and touch you.

Also: Mind the ethical state of the universe you're in. If it says that good guys always win? Be smart and be good FFS.

spooky316

In the short term I'd try to survive. Since we're talking "fictional" (note the quotes) universes similar to Sailor Moon, there will be a lot of overpowered people/things/wtftentacles running around. Laying low would be my first choice. If for some reason that wasn't possible, I foresee much Doctor Who emulating in my future (aka running away). On the off chance I was dropped into a fairly safe universe, one similar to ours, I would try to relax for a while.

Long term, it depends. If I'm able to carry things with me I'd try to obtain anything I could think of that could help me from various universes. Money... could be a problem. I don't normally carry cash and obviously my cards wouldn't work, so I'm basically screwed when it comes to buying things. The best option would be to look for people who may be sympathetic to my plight. For instance, since we're talking anime if I'm dropped into the Tenchiverse I'd look up the Masaki Shrine. Maybe Washu could help me out.

*shudders at the thought of becoming a guinea pig*

...yeah... but any help would probably be worth it. Also, in the long term I'd have to try to find out why this was happening to me. Help would be required for that as well, since I don't have any degrees in multiversal physics.

So pretty much taking things as they come. I really don't see any other way to deal with this at the moment. Uncontrollable dimensional jumps aren't predictable, after all.

Brellin

Short term is obviously survival and trying to figure out the trigger that causes the jumps in the first place. Assuming it is something I have at least a little control over I will attempt to discover ways to grant me more control, if it isn't (for example its a ROB being a dick) then I don't concern myself with it as it is beyond my ability to influence.

Long term? Exploitation of absolutely everything I encounter. This can mean multiple different things, from making friends with powerful beings/entities all the way to asking The Culture to turn me into an E-dust Assassin in return for any information I might bring back with me on subsequent trips (assuming there are any). In short, if it can increase my personal power and survivability I will seek to exploit it in every way possible barring deliberate acts of evil. Obviously, this can change depending on the setting, places where evil is a matter of course requires that I too "up my game" so to speak so that I can survive, though at the bare minimum I will attempt to keep at least some shred of basic human decency regardless of where I am. At least, in regards to humans/near humans.

The real challenge, assuming I live long enough to aquire a decent amount of tech/abilities/allies is remaining sane and not allowing a sense of "I can do what I want because i'll never return here, thus can't be held accountable" to overwhelm me. In essence, trying to prevent myself from becoming the John Criton of the multi-verse.

Steel Warrior

Quote: Originally Posted by Jim Starluck View Post I like to call it the "Inevitable Fiction" Hypothesis (conveniently, "IF" for short). The more parallel universes you have, the closer the probability that any given Universe A will be described by a work of fiction in Universe B with 100% accuracy approaches 1:1. The scary part is when you realize this doesn't just apply to, say, well-known published fiction. It applies equally well to every single possible work of fiction, including the worst of it. If it has been thought up or can be thought up, and there really is an infinite number of parallel universes, then it's out there somewhere.

More-or-less this, although I use the term 'Commonality Principle' in my own musings.

/shrug

Why not?

Not every universe has to have the same rules.

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post Panaka brings up a good comment... A counterpart. Would you even have one? Alternate reality stories enjoy putting 'alternate you' in place... but does anyone really think there would be an alternate you out there?

The probability of having an alternate you is going to be directly related to how close the alternate universe is to our own. The more different it becomes, the more likely you won't have ever come around.

It would only take a few seconds timing to get a different egg/sperm pair, ya know.

You get to be a cheating bastard

Just be careful your butterflies don't make all the information you have invalid. Slow and steady wins the race!

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonen C View Post My interpretation is more of the Guide's suggestion of a Whole Sort of General Mishmash... Or really, no. More like a collection of different multiverses, each of which contains a set of universes. The universes in a set are similar, the multiverses in the WSoGMM need not be. Infinite is funky, and besides, physical laws tend to be universal constants. Multiversal constants... Well, that'd be something else entirely. Navigation would be interesting as well, and not necessarily restrained by merely three dimensions, plus time.

Hey, who says all the linked universe have to have even the same physical dimensions?

I'm a fan of pulling aliens from 7-dimensional space. 4 physical dimensions, 3 temporal dimensions. Mind screw much?

Well, first off, if one is real, you can probably just assume they all are. For all practical purposes this is the case, anyway.

As to what you do, take advantage of your knowledge as much as you can. 'Knowing the Plot' can be pretty powerful and Chessmaster-y.

Uhh, yea. I had the idea for someone from 'our' world to go reality-hopping, but 'he' was gonna get 32-thousand tons of self-aware death incarnate (Mk.34 Bolo, specifically) as a 'traveling companion' which was an OCP for anywhere he went.

Real me? Probably suffer a break-down. Life is hard enough as it is for me right now, dealing with that kinda crap in reality is probably beyond what I can handle.

Jonen C

Oh, and I almost forget:

You'd need a towel.

Panaka

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonen C View Post Oh, and I almost forget: You'd need a towel.

And the Hitchhikers guide to the multiverse if you can get it.

AdmiralTigercla

LATECOMERS

I'm going to let this sit and not do anything overnight so as to give everyone a chance. Those of you who were 'late' to the topic can quite tag posts and respond as you would wherever.

Remember, I'm not going to use every post here. (Look guys, four pages in two hours flat. I'm not putting that all into the story.)

I'll be assembling a 'script' out of the final mess when I get to it, and I'll go from there.

Remember, I'm keeping the full length of the discussion as the fiction equivilent of a DVD bonus. And everyone who participated will get a credit to their name at the end of the chapter.

Jonen C

In case anyone missed this from my big first post in the thread:

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonen C View Post And of course, there would be universes in which our lives are represented as fiction in one form or another (fun thought - jump into your favorite fictional universe and find out the main characters enjoy reading about the fictional exploits of the various members of the Spacebattles forum - worthy of a plot tribble?).

So, is it worthy of a plot tribble?

Wakka

It might make a good one-shot or crack fic. The Mass Effect guys reading this would be hilarious. That's pretty much my favorite thread on this forum. One in-game year to totally destabilize that universe and screw over canon.

Jonen C

Quote: Originally Posted by Wakka View Post It might make a good one-shot or crack fic. The Mass Effect guys reading this would be hilarious. That's pretty much my favorite thread on this forum. One in-game year to totally destabilize that universe and screw over canon.

To be honest, my mental image was more along the lines of being a show/story and the SI finding out, realizing - "Hey! That character is me!" - Followed by an awkward silence and a "So you know Cypress the Genocide?" or something like that (replace with other famous forum personalities being cameod as applicable).

("Cypress? Yeah sure, I know of him. I think he's been toning down the whole genocide spiel recently...")

Stormwind

Oh, a parallel worlds thread... I LOVE the concept of parallel worlds, each one slightly different from neighbors. So, to answer questions Op rises...

Yes, I do believe thee are PWs where events go exactly like or very close to what is fiction in our world. Why not, if it is theoretically possible?

Sailor moon being the reality? Hmmm... I would rather prefer Eleven Riders, but if t is SM... It wouldn't be too different for me. After all, Tokyo is the center of the universe, and I live at almost opposite point of the globe.

My AU counterpart? A tricky question. Depends on how "far" is that AU from my universe. If it is close enough we'd brofist and plot world dominationoptimization together. If not - we might not even recognize each other. Especially if AU me made a different choice in one of the certain points of the life.

ROB dropkicks me into "fictional" universe? Hmmm... If he does it to me suddenly without time to prepare myself - probably use all the knowledge of the fiction to be blend in and stay unnoticed by major players of the show. I don't have intimate knowledge of SM-verse, but if I ended up in the middle of monster attack I'd hit the ground and aimed for absolute world record in crawling speed. On other hand, if I'm ready and know where am I going to end up and at what point of plot, I might try to attempt a bit of fix fic. Keyword "might", as survival comes first.

Other universes? As in continuous jumping? This is rather... Bad idea. One thing I liked about Kamen Rider Decade was that it went on to explicitly demonstrate WHY non-stop world-hopping is bad idea even if you know these worlds. And I don't have a handy Decadriver and Yuuseless nakama to help me survive all kinds of crap. So, again, survival first. If possible - accumulate various survival gear in every jump in hopes it'll work in the future.

What would I do with my knowledge? Again, play it by Dickeido. First, I'll attempt to verify how close is this world to a description known to me. Eps 2-19 of DCD taught me that you might end up in a close, yet strikingly different AU. After verifying my knowledge of the place I'll use it to stay the hell away from the action. Unless I'm actually ready and equipped to alter an event or two.

But as ROBs tend to be bastards I'll end up in the middle of it, right? In this case - attempt to immediately ally myself with one of the sides of a conflict, preferably one that will not proceed to torture me for my knowledge. proceed to stay away of the action as much as possible and attempt to play a mysterious sage dropping heroes some ambiguous hints to what awaits them.

Forgetful

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post (WARNING: This is the 'Sleeping with the Girls' 'Virutal discussion'... Those who participate in this thread may or may not end up having their posts directly transposed into the story itself. Your real screen names here will be used. If you do not wish to end up in the story, do not post. By posting YOU AGREE TO ALLOW YOUR SCREEN NAME AND COMMENTARY TO GO INTO THE STORY! ) I've got a thought for you guys. What are your opinions on alternate realities? For example, let's say there are alternate realities across the multiverse that contain every form of fiction you've ever seen. Do you think it would be possible to tie those realities together?

Show me proof of alternate realities and we'll get talking.

Stormwind

Quote: Originally Posted by Forgetful View Post Show me proof of alternate realities and we'll get talking.

And you can prove otherwise, Forgetful?

BOOKgod22

Did the OP divide by zero? Did he mess with Facehuggers tentacle collection? Did he try to mess with one of RandomJs Biological experiments?

If so it might be Karmatic punishment. If you gain allies and powers enough and want to take over/ rule Remember The Evil Overlord List

nick012000

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post So, the general idea in such a situation is either A: Duck and Cover B: Exploit EVERYTHING. That sound about right?

Don't forget C: Get yourself a harem of sexy anime girls.

Though I suppose that might fit under B.

Forgetful

Quote: Originally Posted by Stormwind View Post And you can prove otherwise, Forgetful?

I asked for proof first.

On the other hand not to be a troll. There are several outcomes. A. It is a horrible universe and you die.

B. It is a normal universe. You figure out how to live in it.

C. It is a weak universe. YOU CONQUER IT.

Winchester

Multiple random reality hops? Ouch, man. Especially given some of the fiction out there... I remember an old (80s is old? fuck, *I'm* getting old...) movie about some guy who got randomly jumped to the side of the character Biggles, from the W.E Johns books. Usually because the character was in mortal danger and needed rescuing. After the first couple of transports, the guy goes into super prepared mode, and sits in a hotel room wearing a helmet, a machine gun and god only knows how much ammo. Eventually he has to take a shower due to the stink. Guess when he 'ports? And he lands in a nunnery, to boot...

Of course, that in turn reminds me of a Levis commercial, with a puny short guy who gets off his moped outside a biker den, and *then* straps on a cup and a helmet, before challenging the whole biker gang to a dick size contest. "Bad Idea" indeed.

Anyway, if I was porting randomly between fictional realities, assuming I survived the first couple of trips I'd seriously look for some protective gear - anything I could lay hands on. And it would *not* come off, until I figured out the mechanism for the random ports. And even then it'd stay on as much as possible. Good grief, Sailor Moon monsters are cake compared to some of the stuff out there. Imagine landing in Sunnydale. Outdoors. At night.

Weapons on the other hand I don't know about. 1, they make you overconfident; 2, displaying one is an escalation to most situations (and a lot of the things you might think you need one for won't be intimidated by one either, whether for lack of knowledge or from sheer immunity); 3, weapons are illegal in many (most? all of europe and a huge part of asia, at least) places, and will attract angry cops like crap attracts flies.

As for foreknowledge and whether to use it or not... well, it kind of depends on the quality of the opposition. Sailor Moon would be a pretty safe place to tell the cast what's coming, since the villains are too stupid to figure out where the info came from and nab me for themselves. Drop me in the Evangelion-verse on the other hand, and I'd run far, far away and hope nobody noticed I was ever there before I was ported out. Gendo would know immediately, more or less, if someone disturbed his plans. If the villains are of the smart variety, stay lower than hell...

Cheers,

Delusionist

I agree with the previous posts concerning short term goals being just plain survival making one's self more survivable.

As for long term goals, I think the number one thing in my mind would be trying to find out who the ROB is, and why he's sending me through various realities, if only to make sure that I'm not being utilized as some sort of multiversal Xanatos Sucker in the games of an ineffable being.

Whiteagle

Quote: Originally Posted by Rieverre View Post Alternate universes ... personally, I'm of the opinion that existence would be boring without infinite possibility, and following from that, everything is. Everything is, everything was, and everything will be. World as Myth is perfectly plausible from where I'm standing, if only because nobody's managed to prove the contrary yet.

This.

...Why does this sound like one of those Role Play threads where you wake up in bed with a girl from fiction?

Well the most prudent advice I can give is this: Don't Panic. Keep your cool, you could be what is essentially a Multiversal version of a wilderness survival situation, or you could just be in some sort of divine comedy. Ether way, you're going to need a clear head.

Plus:

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonen C View Post Do you have your towel?

Yeah, make sure you know where your towel is.

...It's far easier to explain something as a collage prank gone horrible wrong if you end up in Tokyo-3 covering yourself with a towel instead of showing up naked...

Quote: Originally Posted by Panaka View Post Here's a scary thought: You get dropped in Nobody Dies Eva verse. The first thing you hear: Heeeee~eeeey

...Hey, YOU ARE TALKING TO THE GUY WHO VOLUNTEERED TO BE THAT GIRL'S DRIVING INSTRUCTOR!

Quote: Originally Posted by Warringer View Post Could be worse and at the same time more awesome... It could be Shinji and Warhammer 40k...

...GAR for the GAR God! (Sensei Chuck) AWESOME FOR THE AWESOME THRONE!

Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralTigercla View Post So, the general idea in such a situation is either A: Duck and Cover B: Exploit EVERYTHING. That sound about right?

D: [strikethrough]Stick it in[/strikethrough] Don't Panic.

Prince Charon

I'd be deeply worried, because the logic level in that series is fairly low, and Usagi, while a genuinely nice person, is quite the ditz (though nowhere near as much as her dub counterpart is). The fact that she eventually becomes queen of the world does nasty things to my suspension of disbelief, as she would not go for mind control, unless convinced it wasn't mind control, and the only way she could become queen of the world without mind control or very contrived circumstances, is a massive population reduction (like, only Crystal Tokyo survives), and her being the 'force majeur'.

BOOKgod22

It is called the deep/great freeze and yea most of the planet is killed off.

ecs05norway

I'm a firm believer in Heinlein's Law. Short version: Everything Exists.

Keep an eye out for telltale signs of which version of a continuity you happen to end up in. And always remember that the heroes are The Heroes for a Reason.

Argosh

Sigh, quantum mechanics mess all of this up, I believe. If you notice some reality then you interact with it in some way, which means its also changed, somewhat. The more you observe it, the less details can change ... and I'm probably not making much sense.

Tabi

[DISTURBING IMAGE]

Maybe Usagi ate too much spinach?

Stormwind

Tabi. You have posted a Image That Can Not Be Unseen. You know what that means. *opens fire with 200cm Hellbores*

X on

Tabi... thats... thats... beyond words.

*Flees*

Tabi

Quote: Originally Posted by Tabi View Post Maybe Usagi ate too much spinach?

Quote: Originally Posted by Stormwind View Post Tabi. You have posted a Image That Can Not Be Unseen. You know what that means. *opens fire with 200cm Hellbores*

Quote: Originally Posted by X on View Post Tabi... thats... thats... beyond words. *Flees*

My work here is done.

Argosh

That picture is proof that somewhere, someone saw something like that and thought, we need an extermination squad against pretty magical spinach-eating sailor sea-men. They're the last, best hope for sanity.

Panaka

Somebody hand me the brain bleach...

Barricade

1. Quote from the Evil Overlord's List to every hero you meet that you, if you actually know about their universe. Even better, if I happen to jump 'back' to a universe where the EOL exists, PRINT IT OUT and damn near staple the thing to my chest (not really, but it never goes far). Start memorizing it like you were a drowning man thrown a life-preserver.

2. Even if you know your actions send things off the rails, do what you must to survive. If this means sucker punching Lalah Sune prior to her mission against Amuro, and getting brig-tossed for weeks until you jump again, or meeting Yui Ikari and giving her the 411 prior to her jumping in the entry plug, so be it. On the other hand, know your limits. Trying to talk to Goku or Vegeta is a lesson in futility unless you're stronger then they are. Unless you just went to the Spiralverse, and managed to pull along a Lagann unit, you ain't.

3. Gamebreak (see #2) at the earliest possible times. If you know the main baddie is in the area hiding/watching, or is pulling a fake out, or whatever, or that you are right next to a 'nexus of power/power-up/sword that cleaves all evil/etc', you drop what you're doing and either get it yourself via blatant cheating, or helping the heroes get it, and still blatantly cheat.

4. If I can bring stuff through universes, gamebreak with it. Sooner or later you'll end up either in a universe where near everyone has superpower, super robots, they're all batshit nuts, you're staring at Cthulhu (or wish you were), etc. And if you can buy, con, steal, or bribe a weapon from one of those universes, you keep it on you 24/7 via a wrist strap or something. Even better, if you can get high-tech, magitech, or outright magical, armor - keep it! Even better then that, if you can get your own hammerspace, min/max the thing to hell.

5. Don't pull a 'Chunin's Day Off' stunt where you 'know' you'll be jumping to another universe eventually/shortly. As with the EOL, the instant you think that, ROB, Destiny, and Fate shits on you like they just ate 10 million enchiladas. On that note, NEVER tempt Murphy, and never say the cliche'd phrases - EVER. If someone else does, duck & cover immediately, or get the hell away from him/her.

6. In the vein of #5, don't sex it up with everything you come across if somehow you end up as a walking casanova/harem master/love god. If you're unlucky enough to get yanked back a universe or two (or two hundred) you might find yourself with seriously pissed off 'soon-to-be-in-laws', Ex-s you meddled with, or a tsundere that just went yandere on your ass.

7. Find a way, virtually anyway, to get in touch with the more 'friendly' gods/deities/ROBs, etc that are in charge. Some of them are, theoretically, multiversal spanning, and MIGHT be able to help. Unless they're some demonic hellspawn with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and can (or have in the past) yanked people around across dimensions and terms end with "I eat you/eat your soul/tree of pain equivalent", in which case you do NOT go near them - any other deities you get humble, sacrifice dignity/ego if needed, and downright beg or do ANYTHING they ask. You start building up a pile of favors from multiple ROBs, etc, and you can likely play them off each other (carefully) and still end up ahead at the end.

8. Never, ever, ever, stand-out unless you don't have a choice. While if say you're in the Pokemonverse you'll likely just fine even if you're a walking death machine, as long as you play nice/act nice, if you end up in the 40kverse and have a dozen pokeballs with you - you're a dead man for conspiring with Xenos. Think fast, think on your feet, and if you know a universe jump is coming, HIDE EVERYTHING, if at all possible.

9. Kill Gendo Ikari, shake hands with Kamina, play chess with Ender Wiggin, give Coup a high-five, get pantyshots of a Meltrandi (and live), have tea with Belldandy, Whistle at Willis (the 'her' martian), tell Usagi to STFU-B!, fist-bump Wolverine, tell Batman he's emo - but a crazyawesome emo, use the Gravity Gun, and generally do the most awesome things in the universe so that if something goes bad, you can look back and think of the sheer awesome you managed to have happen to you. That and the favors things. You do enough awesome things to help out, and leave 'breadcrumbs' behind you (along with possible tech hints) and sooner or later you'll get a Boss/Mini-Boss 'here comes the cavalry' spawn point.

10. If it looks like a universe you know, but the heroes instead have mustaches or goatees - trust no one but the supposed enemies. Also if the universe appears to be black & white, you're likely fairly safe, its near impossible to die in one of those unless you're at the extreme ends of either side of the moral compass.

nick012000

Urk. I much prefer something like this (picture SFW, site isn't).

Barricade

Quote: Originally Posted by nick012000 View Post Urk. I much prefer something like this (picture SFW, site isn't).

Sweet! You gift-wrapped Saturn, Jupiter, and Mercury for me! *runs off while carrying all three girls*

MrEmperor

A late post, but I'm going to have to side with forgetful here. Nearly all our science that posits alternate universes cannot be verified with the scientific method, and relies on esoteric mathematical formulae replete with constants we have no idea what the values for are. As much as most of us (invasions would be bad) would like for alt-verses to exist, I see no real ways for them to be provable to us.

If they did exist, and one was hopping, then we have two schools of thought. One: Survive, touch nothing, leave no traces. Two: bring back everything so we can use it here. Become a broker of oddities, curios, and awesome things from place to place. Basically become Indiana Jones crossed with one of those stores that you find only once. Trade only in kind (no money, worthless after a jump), and keep the best goods for yourself.

It could become an interesting job.

stormturmoil

Another, but potentially dicey option, to exploit given the specifics: Read/Watch/Play more Fiction!

Now, this is potentially a double edged sword, because it's unstated whether the fiction in question is only fiction the victim-Jumpee is familiar with, or is anything, but either way, Knowledge is Power Forewarned is Forearmed, after all.

The more you know, the more you potentially exploit. The more you can (hopefully) predict and work around. The more predestined distasters you can hopefully avoid.

Now, this isn't going to be perfect, obviously, because simply observing something changes it, so merely the act of knowing these realites exist is likely going to result in changes, but even so, it there is any sort of inertia to the scripted events of their 'fictional' scripts, then knowing those could provide very valuable advance notice of things that may happen, and what could be done if they do.

of course, this can backfire. For one thing, if the jumping does only affect 'Fiction' the victim-jumpee is familiar with, expanding your knowledge to other Fiction only makes the rabbit hole deeper.

and (insert some dimensionally relevent Deity here) Help you if that knowledge somehow starts falling into the hands of the occupants of these realities, especiialy more extreme or ambitious ones, be they Good or Evil, as Status Quo is, at least in terms of knowledge, your friend. Once major changes start accumulating, a significant advantage simply disappears, leaving the Victim-jumpee at the mercy of changing events with no foreknowledge to fight back with.

Nevertheless, if the opportunity presents itself, a good way to potentially beat the odds could be simply to hit the books.

Valiant

Oh, just thought of this: Should you get your hands on a Mcguffin, pass it off to someone ASAP, somethings you just don't need to be the target of, hero and villain alike.

Forgetful

Or one could visit Tvtrope. It's very good on what the characters and setting you're facing would be like.

Stormwind

Oh, and one more thing - try to get yourself some potent yet compact applied phlebotinum. Primary target - personalized energy shields with long battery life and/or transformation trinket giving you some sort of armor and, preferably more. Extra points if that AP is not uncommon in the place you get it.

Mastigo

Quote: Originally Posted by Stormwind View Post Oh, and one more thing - try to get yourself some potent yet compact applied phlebotinum. Primary target - personalized energy shields with long battery life and/or transformation trinket giving you some sort of armor and, preferably more. Extra points if that AP is not uncommon in the place you get it.

Forget just getting phlebotinum for yourself, the best way to go about things would be to an interdimensional travelling phlebotinum merchant. Take something relatively common and cheap to a universe it would be valueable and useful in, trade for more of the same in that universe's goods and then rinse and repeat, getting more and better things as you escalate in profit. From there, start trading excess for goods and services for yourself. Think in terms of the trade by ships back in the days of the American Colonies. Scifi to magical trade routs would probably be most profitable, but magic to magic would probably be the easiest way to get started.

Of course you could also offer disposal services ... for a modest fee.

I'd probably go the route of trading to have houses/mansions built at each of my transfer points, or possibly buy the property and get something along the lines of a DBZ capsule house. If you can get interdimensional data feeds, then you could arrange trades at all points along your travel route simultaneously. It'd almost be like the house of the Dimension Witch from xxxHolic only with a more proactive owner.

Of course, if interdimensional travel exists, then so do interdimensional empires, especially if you accept all possible realities as true (to a given arbitrary degree of freedom*). As such, you should found your own. It would all be in the name of pre-emptive self defense after all.

*if you assume an infinite degree of freedom, then choice does not exist, it merely becomes a statistical likelyhood of you arriving at a given future from a given point in the past and those statistics involve fun numbers like infinity to the power of infinity ... yeah I'm not really getting across what I mean but whatever.

-edit- oh, it's random travel. I suppose that means you can't have set trade routes but still... and I forgot to mention one last thing: abuse the ability to subject things to different laws of physics as much as possible

So what brought this topic up? DrunkenGrognard's Ryouga fic?

OUT OF CHARACTER: This should hopefully serve as a good example of one of my rambles, considering I forgot why I was writing it about a quarter of the way through and wrote about 3 times as much as I'd intended to

mkire

it took more than a year, well, not really, it took a year and unrestrained exponential growth coupled with strong AI-linked into a hive-mind by instantaneous comms.

Admiral Johnston, the man responsible for darn near everything the morrigi did simply because he won an argument about AI with his 2IC. Also commander of the fifth most powerful military force in the galaxy, not at all handling the guilt of being responsible for the death of a couple billion people, even if the turian's he's encountered are jackasses.

as for your question Admiral? I pity the poor bastard who the alien space bats shat on.

Prince Charon

Quote: Originally Posted by BOOKgod22 View Post It is called the deep/great freeze and yea most of the planet is killed off.

In which case you have the problem that the Senshi, as of late SMR, knew about the Great Freeze, and did not prevent it, despite Usagi having a Plot device that can reverse time.

The plausibility is even worse in the manga, where Usagi is somehow elected queen of the world, without the Great Freeze happening.

eliar

in the beginning.. duck and cover! If you dont get out of there relatively fast try to get as much power as humanly/;plottisly possible in order to survive

After that? Try to give the heroes a hand if convinient or possible and try your damnest to not be seen as a villain... getting hit with world ending mountain shuttering level magic isnt good for ones health. Also try to stay out of the Villains sight... being the main target of an epic villain SUCKS when you dont have plot armour... And of course if you do end up somewhere like SM do try to get some action from the the girl/girls you have been obsessing/fanboying after when in your teenage years... After all if they are destined to be members of Usagis lesbian harrem or lesbian starcrossed lovers etc. why not get a piece of it while you still can?

P.S. and dont forget... Be careful of the self appointed guardians of the timeline or future or any pesky time mages that may come along... They really dont care much for anything or anyone outside their supposedly "omnipotent" knowledge

AdmiralTigercla

Okay guys, I'm begining work on the section of this chapter that involves this discussion. No additional posts will be counted.