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Splendour in the Machine

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[x] Offense I - posting inappropriate/pornographic content - September 5, 2009

[x] Offense II - posting inappropriate/pornographic content - September 5, 2009

[x] Offense III - trolling, stirring up drama - September 7, 2009

BLOCKED - forever - September 7, 2009

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Queen Rahna the Snarky

[1322931]

[x] Offense I - harassment/unnecessary rudeness - November 10, 2009

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Butterfly Romance

[1402925]

[x] Offense I - starting and prolonging an argument while the other person tried to patch things up - November 20, 2009

[x] Offense II - insulting another member ("major bitch" and "two-faced attention whore")/turning a debate into an argument - November 26, 2009

[x] Offense III - insulting another member ("whiny emo brat") - November 26, 2009

BLOCKED - forever (note: user's other account, Butterfly Romance [1688827], was also blocked) - November 26, 2009

UNBLOCKED - November 27, 2009 (see explanation at the bottom of this post)

[x] Offense I - insults to other members ("major bitch"/"two-faced attention whore"; "whiny emo brat") - November 26, 2009

[x] Offense II - trolling, stirring up drama - December 11, 2009

[x] Offense III - harassment/unnecessary rudeness ("Oh, shut the fuck up.") - December 11, 2009

BLOCKED - forever - December 12, 2009

Poisoned Romance

[1688827]

[x] Offense I - trolling, stirring up drama - December 27, 2009

BLOCKED - forever - December 27, 2009

Bringeth Crack

[1728794]

[x] Offense I - trolling, stirring up drama - January 5, 2010

BLOCKED - forever - January 5, 2010

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Glowing Ladybugs

[2145306]

[xx] Offense I - bringing in arguments/problems from another forum (Tainted's Domain) after being asked to stop (strike is given out in this post) - December 9, 2009; December 10, 2009

[x] Offense II - trolling, stirring up drama, insulting others - January 6, 2010

BLOCKED - forever - January 6, 2010

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Virtuous Wanderer

[1504896]

[x] Offense I - possibly being hacked by Kelly - December 27, 2009

BLOCKED - forever - December 27, 2009

Chasing the Black

[2102802]

[x] Offense I - possibly being Kelly - December 27, 2009

BLOCKED - forever - December 27, 2009

UNBLOCKED - January 12, 2010

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LucDragoon

[2118154]

[xx] Offense I - trolling, stirring up drama - March 2010; March 13, 2010

BLOCKED - one week - March 13, 2010

UNBLOCKED - March 20, 2010 (ban expired)

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bluefroggie

[2293531]

[xxx] Offense I - continuous abuse of the English language - March 24, 2010; March 26, 2010; March 30, 2010

[x] Offense II - abuse of the English language - March 30, 2010

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semay

[2301874]

[x] Offense I - abuse of the English language - March 31, 2010

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Ashley Greenwood

[2324914]

[x] Offense I - trolling - April 6, 2010; May 26, 2010; June 23, 2010; July 5, 2010; July 16, 2010

BLOCKED - forever - July 16, 2010

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Datonman

[1226819]

[x] Offense I - lack of intro/failure to follow rules of thread - August 21, 2010

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Third Kind

[2043892]

[x] Offense I - lack of intro - August 20, 2010

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In.Light.Syrup

[2034562]

[x] Offense I - lack of intro - September 1, 2010

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Tsuki.Yuujiro

[2487717]

[x] Offense I - lack of intro - September 2, 2010

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Elknoir

[2376741]

[xx] Offense I - continuous abuse of the English language - September 1, 2010; September 2, 2010

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Ruby-Red Revenge

[2178513]

[x] Offense I - trolling, stirring up drama - November 23, 2010

BLOCKED - forever - November 23, 2010

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The Tenth Bright Shiner

[1631522]

[x] Offense I - trolling, stirring up drama - November 23, 2010

BLOCKED - forever - November 23, 2010

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Stabbz 7x

[2631133]

[x] Offense I - failure to read/follow rules; continuous advertising - December 27, 2010

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NiggaSnipaz1337

[2717334]

[post deleted] Offense I - trolling, insulting slurs - February 18, 2011

BLOCKED - forever - February 19, 2011

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eiljah4everett

[2573414]

[x] Offense I - posting spam - April 11, 2011

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DARS

[3611949]

[x] Offense I - posting spam/pornographic content - March 13, 2012 (posts deleted/screenshotted)

BLOCKED - forever - March 13, 2012

4/9/2009 . Edited by Ky-lassassin, 5/22/2012 #1
Ky-lassassin

This is what the first post used to look like; I'm putting it here because we'd originally agreed not to keep this thread as a one-post thing. Instead, please post each time a warning/ban is given~

If you want to make a complaint, though, please contact a moderator/the admin or post on the chat thread/archive. (:

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I. Ashen Bellemorte

Complaint Made By: Blake

Right, I'm probably the only one who cares, but Ashen Bellenmorte? Talking about graphic things, for one. And really just stirring up the forum against him (I myself am rather angry, and y'all know I don't bother most of the time).

09.06.09: I know that Jenny had to edit a post because it was too graphic, and that numerous people--myself included-- warned about the porn rule.

09.07.09: Quasi-trolling, I suppose? Everyone's just really kinda pissed off at comments that he's made, including being raped, family members being murdered and raped in his presence.

S!Edit: I waited for thirty minutes--or more-- while he subjected the forum to his stupidity and obscenities. I wasn't planning on banning him; I was fully ready to leave it to the jury. However, he crossed the line when he started throwing around sexual slurs and started screaming in caps. Honestly, he was trolling.

The evidence is all here. It starts out as a debate-- but as the conversation wears on, he starts feeding us blatant lies and starts using "fags" in an inflammatory way.

If I've made the wrong decision, feel free to tell me so. I'll take full responsibility. In my defense, I don't think I'm the only one who wanted him banned.

K: Edited because the way the dates were written annoyed me. XDD; Also, there were two posts that Jenny had to edit: one in the chat and one in the innuendos thread. And I agree completely with the banning.

9/8/2009 . Edited 9/8/2009 #2
Lei-lassassin

Hokay, a lot of people seem to be bitching about this thread being locked (I didn't even realise it was O.o), but...well, no one seems to be doing anything, so I've unlocked and pinned it. We're only going to remember the damn thing if it's in view all the time.

If people don't like it being pinned, then give me a reason why, other than 'we have too many pinned topics' or 'it makes the top look messy.' If there are enough good reasons, then, yeah, it should be unpinned. For now, though, I don't see a reason not to pin it.

:)

11/16/2009 #3
Kokoyumi

I. All Moderators and the Administrator.

Complaint Made By: AD

You are all fascist.

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Date made: Tuesday, November 17, 2009.

11/17/2009 #4
Qzil

I don't think we even need this topic. If someone trolls/acts like Ashen we should have enough sense to tell them to GTFO and ban them if they don't.

11/17/2009 #5
Jon Stewart

Unfortunately, AD, there's no rule against fascists. Now GTFO, commie!

11/17/2009 #6
Kokoyumi

Unfortunately, AD, there's no rule against fascists.

But there is a thing about non-Moderators posting in this thread. Fuck that.

Now GTFO, commie!

When I feel like it, I will leave.

And return.

And then leave again.

Etc.

11/17/2009 #7
Jon Stewart

But there is a thing about non-Moderators posting in this thread. Fuck that.

There is? Yeah, fuck that.

When I feel like it, I will leave.

And return.

And then leave again.

Like a commie. -nod-

11/17/2009 #8
Kokoyumi

Like a commie. -nod-

Also like capitalist pigs. Always returning to their "favorite" shops. In communist countries, there are no "favorites". There are "same and more same". Your creativity in real communist countries goes towards developing next advancement in nuclear physics and quantum mechanics and medicine and equally important (As judged by the party) fields.

11/17/2009 #9
Silver-hair Angel
Q, this topic isn't just for obvious trolls. It's for anyone who cuts the fool-- mods, regulars, newbies, temporary posters, and trolls. We do need this topic; it's to keep track of people when their conduct is terrible. Didn't we agree on "three strikes, and you're out"? Trolls are banned on site, but for everything else... there's no way we should toss it. People get away with shit as it is now.
11/17/2009 #10
Ky-lassassin

I. Rahna

Complaint Made By: Kyota (and maybe some others, but I'm doing it officially :K)

http://fanfiction.net/topic/48799/19990166/28/#20048110

^

I think it was unnecessary for her to react like that and far too...I dunno, mean? XD; While I'm all for expressing your feelings, there's no excuse, I think, for being that rude. -shrug- Not much to say, considering it's been in the chat for over a week.

11/19/2009 #11
Silver-hair Angel
Hm. I thought that it was a bit too late to give out a warning (how long ago did this happen?). Still, the comment deserved-- or deserves, I guess-- a warning. During LTATP, we explicitly stated that certain comments will not be tolerated and will be followed up with a warning. A simple "you cannot advertise, [insert name here]." I agree with the gist of the comment. No one should be advertising, and they should definitely read the rules. I do not agree with how it was said. I don't care if Jenny agreed with her comment-- that doesn't make it right. And we owe it to ourselves to commit to the things we said we'd do during LTATP. *shrug*
11/19/2009 #12
Ky-lassassin

I know it's kind of overdue, but people clearly aren't over it, so...-shrug- Warnings can always be retracted or whatever if we decide to do so later; I just...didn't want to let another thing pass without action. ><

It happened a week from last Tuesday, I think. :/

11/19/2009 #13
Jon Stewart

Seriously, I don't see what was so inappropriate or rude about Layne's comment. o.0 If anyone could give an explanation beyond, "Well, look at it; it's just too rude," I'd appreciate it.

Edit: Copypasta from the chat:

For example, why isn't this unnecessarily rude and perhaps deserving of a ban?

And again, I don't know what happened with the whole "Vampire Chick", but WE HAVE A BLACKBOARD, AND A THREE STRIKES SYSTEM, FOR A FUCKING REASON!!! Why we are not UTILISING this is fucking BEYOND me. People have THREE CHANCES; you don't fucking turn on someone for one transgression! This IS WHY WE HAVE THE BLACKBOARD, GUYS.

Hey, now! You didn't need to say "fuck" so much. It hurts people's feelings. :( [/exaggeration, but you know what I mean]

(Why is it ridiculous to find this offensive but not what Layne said?)

By the way, Layne's post:

Lol. I'll read the rules next time, then. Sorry about that. :D]

You--fuck, you didn't even read the rules? What the fuck? Seriously, has any n00b read the fucking rules recently? It is not motherfucking hard! You click the link and look at it--you don't even have to read all of the huge paragraphs, just the first sentences! There is no excuse for being an idiot!

11/20/2009 . Edited 11/20/2009 #14
Kokoyumi

Seriously, I don't see what was so inappropriate or rude about Layne's comment. o.0

What the fuck, Jenny? Have you even read the definition of the word context? Did you ever consider the fucking newbie's feelings? It's not only your motherfucking opinion that matters about this sort of thing. You have to read the opinion of other fucking people on here as well. There is no excuse for being an idiot!

11/20/2009 #15
Kokoyumi

Now, read that and tell me that I was not honestly trying to offend you.

11/20/2009 #16
eliska

AD's post in the chat.

^ Moar explanation.

11/20/2009 #17
Lei-lassassin

Now, read that and tell me that I was not honestly trying to offend you.

Took me a moment to get what you were doing there. XDDDDDDDD

11/20/2009 #18
Jon Stewart

What the fuck, Jenny? Have you even read the definition of the word context? Did you ever consider the fucking newbie's feelings? It's not only your motherfucking opinion that matters about this sort of thing. You have to read the opinion of other fucking people on here as well. There is no excuse for being an idiot!

The context honestly looks the same to me. Both of them are talking about people who they see as breaking the rules; they just cursed while doing it. I'm asking what the difference is between cursing out a group of regs and cursing out a group of newbies, because I really don't see one.

Now, read that and tell me that I was not honestly trying to offend you.

Oh, snap. XD I wasn't offended by that, so I think your point is lost on me. XD

I just want someone to explain the difference between yelling at regs and yelling at newbies, because so far I've only seen the "It's just different" defense.

It's about Rayne's long history of being deliberately offensive to new posters and her continued antagonistic attitude toward new posters. She also has a history of being completely aware of this and stating unequivocally that she will not change this behavior.

You'll forgive me if I am just slightly skeptical of any claims that she was not attempting to be deliberately offensive.

...Oh. Yeah.

Well, that makes a lot of sense. I sort of wasn't accounting for all of that past bullshit with harassment, which is stupid of me. Thanks.

(It looks like Layne is pretty much fucked no matter what she says to newbies, then.)

11/20/2009 #19
mutemockingjay

I just want someone to explain the difference between yelling at regs and yelling at newbies, because so far I've only seen the "It's just different" defense.

See, and that's what I think is bullshit. The reason why I have been avoiding this place is because I feel like now everyone thinks I am bitch or something. Like, I know what I said was rude, but I did not intend for it to be malicious. It was honestly just like an afterthought.

And I certainly don't think it deserved a sort of yelling that Cass gave about me not being a decent human being.

11/20/2009 #20
Silver-hair Angel
First off, Jenny, that was only one out of two offensive comments that Rayne said to the newbie. It's not simply the cursing that makes the comments offensive; perhaps it was the insinuation that the new people were idiots? Or the fact that she didn't even properly inform them of the no-advertising rule, but instead chose to talk down to them about it, like they were mentally challenged? She's done this shit before; why is it that some people are willing to brush it aside as a case of "oh, it's just Rayne being Rayne"?

And who said it was okay to curse out regulars? They're one in the same. Neither is right. I agreed with what Cass said, even if her choice of words in certain places was... questionable. *shrug*

11/20/2009 #21
mutemockingjay

She's done this shit before; why is it that some people are willing to brush it aside as a case of "oh, it's just Rayne being Rayne"?

That's what I don't understand. Like, if anyone else does it they are wrong and a bitch and stuff, but it's okay for her?

It's...so wrong.

11/20/2009 #22
Cerulean City

OHAI, DANI! -tackles-

That has no bearing on the conversation whatever. My opinion is: either we use this thing, or we don't. People, get your shit together. Blah blah blah.

Doesn't matter; everyone ignores my opinion anyway.

11/20/2009 #23
Jon Stewart

And I certainly don't think it deserved a sort of yelling that Cass gave about me not being a decent human being.

Seriously. I didn't even get that connection. o_0

It's not simply the cursing that makes the comments offensive; perhaps it was the insinuation that the new people were idiots?

It wasn't exactly an insinuation. She called them idiots.

Or the fact that she didn't even properly inform them of the no-advertising rule, but instead chose to talk down to them about it, like they were mentally challenged? She's done this shit before; why is it that some people are willing to brush it aside as a case of "oh, it's just Rayne being Rayne"?

Okay. Yeah. I see that.

And who said it was okay to curse out regulars? They're one in the same. Neither is right.

Okay.

I agreed with what Cass said, even if her choice of words in certain places was... questionable. *shrug*

Well, I agreed with what Layne said, although...yeah, I can see that it shouldn't have been the immediate reaction (that she should've at least mentioned the rule beforehand).

11/20/2009 #24
Lei-lassassin

Doesn't matter; everyone ignores my opinion anyway.

Oh, stop being a tard. I listen to you! 8D

11/20/2009 #25
pumpkinless

I've been ranting and shit on LJ, but then I kind of figured that since this is my case, I should present it to this thread. So, I've got my opinion and, frankly, someone's probably gonna call me on bullshit. Please be aware that I use the pronoun 'you' loosely; it's much easier for me to write when I have someone that I feel like I'm writing to. First is confused, blank rambling, second is more focused on everything.

xx

And it bears noting that the newb in question didn't even react. This should be a non-issue.

That. That that that a hundred times over. Hell, everything else that Jenny said. Because she's right.

And, fuck, no one's gonna believe that I really do think that, but I gotta believe that I do. Because I don't think getting angry is wrong. I don't think that wanting to vent is wrong. I'm not going to censor myself for someone who didn't have the common sense in the first place to bother finding out what was allowed and what was not.

I don't want you to make excuses for me--"Rayne being Rayne," when you say that, it makes me feel like you're not my friends. You should know me better than that. I try not to trust people I can't find a face of in my head, and, dammit, you should, too. I know that not everyone out and about on the Internet is gonna hurt you, but there are people that will. Am I not allowed to be careful anymore?

Following that, what do you do when you don't trust someone? You don't just sit there and tell them your life's story. You try to avoid them. But I can't avoid them. They're everywhere I look and most places that I don't.

I'm not exaggerating, either. I can't get online without some random-ass n00b trying to talk to me. I try so hard to be nice, and then the one goddamn time I slip up? Oh my god, people, when was the last time I actually bitched out a newbie? I have tried so hard, you don't even know. You can't know. You're either blinded by how I used to be or overlooking how I am. (Don't quote me on that, please, it's a general statement.)

I have so many things I want to say, but I can't say them all because this computer doesn't put words on the page fast enough for my brain. But you guys make me feel like shit sometimes. If that's what you really think, I'd like you to tell me, because I need to figure out if I need to quit.

xx

(Sort of a response to Ky's LJ post. But mostly really not.)

I want to know why it can't still be our place. What makes it right for us to be ripped away from our home? Everyone's always talking about not being nice to newbs, but forGET the newbs. They are not us; they should not have the power to take what is ours.

That's what this is about, this thing between Elodie and me. It's that my right to say what I want--the right that we ALL wanted when we came to this new place--was squished and ignored. I expressed my feeling of anger and the people it didn't even effect took it as a personal affront to the people it was aimed toward (hardly even aimed at anyone, for that point).

Sure, the newbies can have rights, but where are MY rights? What about MY feelings? Goddammit, you people, this isn't Cuba twenty years ago! This is today where everyone is supposed to be equal. Look, I'm doing my research here.

Do not subject someone to bullshit just because they're new.

Was I spewing bullshit? Maybe, depends on how you look at it. Was it because she was new? No, it was because she didn't read--or follow--the rules.

It's also wrong to allow harassment or the creation of intolerable conditions for a poster, so that's against our rules.

Yes, we're all about freedom and getting over the old ways, but abusing our lenience for the sake of chasing newbies away or incessantly needling someone you don't like is unacceptable, and you will be dealt with accordingly.

Harassment? That was one post, so no. Did I create an intolerable condition? No, she's definitely still around. Did I try to chase her away? Can't say I did. Did I needle her incessantly? I don't believe I've talked to her since. So what's wrong with how I said it? I swear and you take it bad? Oh, she said fuck, so it's okay to be pissed, because clearly this is a bad, bad word. That's hypocritial, considering you all--I take that back, a few of you don't--swear.

Where did my justice go? This isn't an argument about the past, this is about the present. You spew on and on about how we are forgetting the old TD and becoming a new place--essentially, forgetting the past--but the minute I do something you put down because it's "rude," it's all aBOUT the past. You want to forget it and then you want it to be evidence against me. Pick a side--either way, I don't care, just stop changing it to make you right.

I'd also like to point out--I think again? I can't remember for the life of me--that I should not have to tell anyone the rules. The rules should be read before you begin posting and checked periodically to make sure there aren't any changes. I'm NOT the babysitter who reminds the kids to brush their teeth before they go to bed. I'm the girl online who doesn't have patience for idiots--YES, goddammit, IDIOTS, because that's what they're acting like--who think they don't have to read the rules.

If someone wants to be that idiot, fine, go ahead. I don't care. But I'm not going to be nice and censor how I feel and what I want to say. It's my freedom of speech; freedom means free, guys. Freedom is that feeling you get when you finish your huge History paper and know that you have the rest of the night to do whatever. It's that thought that you are not a slave to anyone else; they cannot control you. But if I--someone, ANYone!--isn't allowed to say what I want to say how I want to say it...that's not freedom. That's not being free.

xx

And if freedom's what we're all about, why am I in the wrong?

11/22/2009 #26
Qzil

Um, I really don't wanna get any further in this than I am, which is not at all. :D

But I agree with Rayne.

11/22/2009 #27
pippermint

I'm gonna do the whole pick-apart-the-post thing, and it's honestly not to be mean (at least not consciously =O) but because it's easier for me to respond that way.

And it bears noting that the newb in question didn't even react. This should be a non-issue.

That. That that that a hundred times over. Hell, everything else that Jenny said. Because she's right.

So it's okay to do whatever you want to people as long as they don't mind too much? o__o; Also, you didn't know how she'd react when you said it.

I try not to trust people I can't find a face of in my head, and, dammit, you should, too. I know that not everyone out and about on the Internet is gonna hurt you, but there are people that will. Am I not allowed to be careful anymore?

Following that, what do you do when you don't trust someone? You don't just sit there and tell them your life's story. You try to avoid them. But I can't avoid them. They're everywhere I look and most places that I don't.

I don't follow this either. No one's asking you to not be cautious or to trust every new person that pops into the chat. Just to be civil.

I'm not exaggerating, either. I can't get online without some random-ass n00b trying to talk to me.

It's a public forum, the largest one in the General category on a site with millions of members. What do you expect? And why do you assume the worst of the newbies that post? Yes, a lot of them could use some grammar lessons and a quick visit to the rules thread, but some of them are nice, thoughtful people. They are people, after all.

You're either blinded by how I used to be or overlooking how I am. (Don't quote me on that, please, it's a general statement.)

Er, I'm gonna quote this anyway, because I think I fall into the category of people who do that. I'm not exactly angry with you for things that have happened, but I do mistrust you and resent the fact that no one ever seriously tells you off (until now, of course). Every time you snap at someone or say something rude (and I'm thinking about the course of the past few months here), I think you haven't changed at all. And maybe that's wrong, but how am I supposed to have a different perception?

I want to know why it can't still be our place. What makes it right for us to be ripped away from our home? Everyone's always talking about not being nice to newbs, but forGET the newbs. They are not us; they should not have the power to take what is ours.

[/overdramatic] Seriously. No one's taking your home or your rights away from you. No one's taking what's yours. Yes, new people are treated better now, but what are you losing? A few posts of snark? The only problem I see here is that you can't accept that things change.

I'd also like to point out--I think again? I can't remember for the life of me--that I should not have to tell anyone the rules.

Agreed. They should read the rules. "Hey, new-person, go read the rules" would have worked just fine. Yeah, that's not who you are...or something like that. But guess what?

No one here says everything that they want to say. If they did, I guarantee you we'd have a hell of a lot more drama than we do now. We restrain ourselves (at least I do) because that's how you keep things from spinning out of control. That's what you do when you care about the well-being of a group of people who have different opinions. I don't understand why you think it's okay to "express yourself" when it comes at the detriment of a community of people who you supposedly care about. I think that's what irritates me more than anything.

11/22/2009 #28
pumpkinless

(Also honestly not meant to piss you off, either.)

So it's okay to do whatever you want to people as long as they don't mind too much? o__o; Also, you didn't know how she'd react when you said it.]

Not one hundred percent what I was talking about. Actually, barely forty, but of course I didn't know how she'd react. That's not really what matters, though, because the fact is that she didn't.

I don't follow this either. No one's asking you to not be cautious or to trust every new person that pops into the chat. Just to be civil.]

Yeah, that's the part where it's aimless ranting. :P

They are people, after all.]

Dude, I know that I'm shit at implying stuff, but I;m about completely sure that you just said that I didn't think the newbs were people. And, maybe this part is meant to piss you off, but it's gonna be the only one, promise: fuck you, asshole.

And maybe that's wrong, but how am I supposed to have a different perception?]

No one's really asking you to.

...I think.

The only problem I see here is that you can't accept that things change.]

This isn't about me not liking change. I don't like it, but I accept that. I roll with it; I'm getting over it. I'm better at spontaneous. Not the point. I'm not saying that it can't be the newbies, but I am saying that it shouldn't be theirs until they become a part of us. Yeah, okay, I'm overdramatic, I know that, too. But it's always the newbies. Always about the newbies and about how they feel and not how the regs feel. Rules to protect the newbies, of course! Rules to protect the regs? We sort of need those, too.

Agreed. They should read the rules. "Hey, new-person, go read the rules" would have worked just fine. Yeah, that's not who you are...or something like that.]

Not a babysitter. Dog-sitter, sure, but newbies aren't dogs.

No one here says everything that they want to say. If they did, I guarantee you we'd have a hell of a lot more drama than we do now. We restrain ourselves (at least I do) because that's how you keep things from spinning out of control. That's what you do when you care about the well-being of a group of people who have different opinions. I don't understand why you think it's okay to "express yourself" when it comes at the detriment of a community of people who you supposedly care about. I think that's what irritates me more than anything.]

This is not about the group of people. I said, I know I did, that I was not talking about TD at large. If I'm completely honest, I don't think anyone has any place in this, because it's strictly between me and Elodie (and some others that I can't remember the names of). It's not the unraveling to say what I feel I need to say, but it damn well could be if it starts being taken against every newbie that ever lived.

11/22/2009 #29
pippermint

Not one hundred percent what I was talking about. Actually, barely forty, but of course I didn't know how she'd react. That's not really what matters, though, because the fact is that she didn't.

That's very...I don't know. If she'd minded, then what? It would have been wrong to you? Because if it wouldn't have been wrong to you either way, then this point is irrelevant.

Dude, I know that I'm shit at implying stuff, but I;m about completely sure that you just said that I didn't think the newbs were people.

Not entirely what I meant. But a small part was me going back to when you referred to newbies as "its"...which I probably shouldn't have done. -nod- My bad.

And, maybe this part is meant to piss you off, but it's gonna be the only one, promise: fuck you, asshole.

-haughty sniff-

But it's always the newbies. Always about the newbies and about how they feel and not how the regs feel. Rules to protect the newbies, of course! Rules to protect the regs? We sort of need those, too.

We have newbie-rules because we had problems with regs being less than pleasant to newbies. If it had been the other way around, we'd probably have rules about protecting the regs. Regardless, some part of this mess might get incorporated into the rules.

I know you had other points, but I either agree with them or don't strongly disagree with them. [/lazy]

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