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Kokoyumi

I don't want you to make excuses for me--"Rayne being Rayne," when you say that, it makes me feel like you're not my friends. You should know me better than that. I try not to trust people I can't find a face of in my head, and, dammit, you should, too. I know that not everyone out and about on the Internet is gonna hurt you, but there are people that will. Am I not allowed to be careful anymore?

Following that, what do you do when you don't trust someone? You don't just sit there and tell them your life's story. You try to avoid them. But I can't avoid them. They're everywhere I look and most places that I don't.

If you truly wish to avoid encountering and dealing with individuals that you do not trust, leave. Divorce yourself from social interactions on the Internet.

I want to know why it can't still be our place. What makes it right for us to be ripped away from our home? Everyone's always talking about not being nice to newbs, but forGET the newbs. They are not us; they should not have the power to take what is ours.

...Yet you go on later in this post to talk about the concept of 'freedom'. You know nothing of freedom. You are so typically American that it is enough to make me sick. You type platitudes and appeal to emotions as if we are you playthings to be manipulated as you will.

Sure, the newbies can have rights, but where are MY rights? What about MY feelings? Goddammit, you people, this isn't Cuba twenty years ago! This is today where everyone is supposed to be equal. Look, I'm doing my research here.

Right. Obviously. Because you would have treated Kyota, Annie, Jenny, or someone else exactly as you treated Elodie in your response to her. Exactly like that. Prove this to me and I'll concede this point with a smile on my face.

I'm the girl online who doesn't have patience for idiots--YES, goddammit, IDIOTS, because that's what they're acting like--who think they don't have to read the rules. If someone wants to be that idiot, fine, go ahead. I don't care.

Nice contradiction you have going on there. If you actually did not care, you would not think them idiots.

But I'm not going to be nice and censor how I feel and what I want to say. It's my freedom of speech; freedom means free, guys.

There is no such thing as an unlimited right. You do not have the 'right' to go into a crowded theater and scream 'Fire!'.

Freedom is that feeling you get when you finish your huge History paper and know that you have the rest of the night to do whatever. It's that thought that you are not a slave to anyone else; they cannot control you. But if I--someone, ANYone!--isn't allowed to say what I want to say how I want to say it...that's not freedom. That's not being free.

Oh no, I can't post pornographic material. This forum isn't free, guys! My freedom of speech is being restricted! Bastard fascist! I can't post links to other forums! More restrictions on my 'freedom of speech'! I can't advertise other sites! More restrictions.

If you're going to argue for unlimited rights, the very thing that caused this problem is you limiting the free speech of another person. Until you can sort that cognitive dissonance out, I'm going to dismiss you as a hypocrite of moronic proportions.

And if freedom's what we're all about, why am I in the wrong?

Because freedom is not what 'we are all about'. Jenny is the administrator. She defines, literally, 'what we are all about'. It does not matter in any way whatsoever that she does not abuse her power. She has the ability to ban anyone at any time for any whim she has. That is not freedom. That is accepting dictatorial rule and limited rights in exchange for use of the forum.

11/22/2009 . Edited 11/22/2009 #31
Jon Stewart

I can't post links to other forums!

For the last fucking time: yes, you can! -facepalm- Just don't advertise. You can link if someone asks for it; just don't interrupt a conversation to advertise a place.

...Yeah, that's what I got out of those tl;dr posts right now. I'm working on what to say. -nod-

Also,

Jenny is the administrator. She defines, literally, 'what we are all about'. It does not matter in any way whatsoever that she does not abuse her power. She has the ability to ban anyone at any time for any whim she has. That is not freedom. That is accepting dictatorial rule and limited rights in exchange for use of the forum.

Make me a sandwich, motherfuckers.

(Tl;dr reply pending for later, when I'll be less tired.)

11/23/2009 #32
Ky-lassassin

Sure, the newbies can have rights, but where are MY rights? What about MY feelings? Goddammit, you people, this isn't Cuba twenty years ago! This is today where everyone is supposed to be equal. Look, I'm doing my research here.

Right. Obviously. Because you would have treated Kyota, Annie, Jenny, or someone else exactly as you treated Elodie in your response to her. Exactly like that. Prove this to me and I'll concede this point with a smile on my face.

"Dumbass motherfucking mods"? :K

I have nothing else to add. -yawnshrug-

11/23/2009 #33
Blackrow Halls

Edit: I don't know if I've been here long enough for this, but I felt the need to toss in my two cents.

Not one hundred percent what I was talking about. Actually, barely forty, but of course I didn't know how she'd react. That's not really what matters, though, because the fact is that she didn't.]

Actually what the point is is that you didn't know how she'd react. What if she had reacted badly, would everyone mind then? The fact that she didn't react is only a plus that doesn't speak to the original point.

Dude, I know that I'm shit at implying stuff, but I;m about completely sure that you just said that I didn't think the newbs were people. And, maybe this part is meant to piss you off, but it's gonna be the only one, promise: fuck you, asshole.]

I think what she meant to say was we're forgetful, they're forgetful.

This isn't about me not liking change. I don't like it, but I accept that. I roll with it; I'm getting over it. I'm better at spontaneous. Not the point. I'm not saying that it can't be the newbies, but I am saying that it shouldn't be theirs until they become a part of us. Yeah, okay, I'm overdramatic, I know that, too. But it's always the newbies. Always about the newbies and about how they feel and not how the regs feel. Rules to protect the newbies, of course! Rules to protect the regs? We sort of need those, too.]

Okay, so it's not their's, or mine, until we become part of it. How're we supposed to do that with someone breathing fire at us? And we have rules because people attacking regs hasn't become even semi-common, so a rule hasn't become necessary. Though, with this situation, a new rule may or may not appear now.

Not a babysitter. Dog-sitter, sure, but newbies aren't dogs.

Then why did you have to talk to her in such a way in the first place if you don't want to take care of her? What would have completely diffused it would be what Pip said, or if they didn't want to, make them read or make them leave.

This is not about the group of people. I said, I know I did, that I was not talking about TD at large. If I'm completely honest, I don't think anyone has any place in this, because it's strictly between me and Elodie (and some others that I can't remember the names of). It's not the unraveling to say what I feel I need to say, but it damn well could be if it starts being taken against every newbie that ever lived.]

You, Elodie, a rule, and the shadows of anyone you've ever gone off on for forgetting to do something.

Make me a sandwich, motherfuckers.

Yes m'am. -brings two sandwiches- XD

And to everything AD said, I agree with every part.

11/23/2009 . Edited 11/23/2009 #34
Kokoyumi

For the last fucking time: yes, you can! -facepalm- Just don't advertise. You can link if someone asks for it; just don't interrupt a conversation to advertise a place.

Which is *shock/gasp* a restriction on free speech. Which is what Rayne is arguing against. Thank you for proving my point for me.

11/23/2009 #35
Silver-hair Angel
//And, fuck, no one's gonna believe that I really do think that, but I gotta believe that I do. Because I don't think getting angry is wrong. I don't think that wanting to vent is wrong. I'm not going to censor myself for someone who didn't have the common sense in the first place to bother finding out what was allowed and what was not.//

So that justifies you losing your temper for an issue that could have been solved more smoothly if you would have just told her that advertising is allowed? Bullshit.

//I don't want you to make excuses for me--"Rayne being Rayne," when you say that, it makes me feel like you're not my friends. You should know me better than that.//

If I'm being honest, all I've seen from you is your inability to be civil to people who, for the most part, have done nothing to you. Then again, I'm not your friend.

//I try not to trust people I can't find a face of in my head, and, dammit, you should, too. I know that not everyone out and about on the Internet is gonna hurt you, but there are people that will. Am I not allowed to be careful anymore?//

Do not confuse being careful with being an asshole-- which you have been in the past. Which you continue to be in the present. I don't understand why you are incapable of remaining silent around people you don't like. Don't like them? Avoid them.We said this shit in LTATP, and you are still doing it. I have no pity for you now.

//I'm not exaggerating, either. I can't get online without some random-ass n00b trying to talk to me. I try so hard to be nice, and then the one goddamn time I slip up? Oh my god, people, when was the last time I actually bitched out a newbie? I have tried so hard, you don't even know. You can't know. You're either blinded by how I used to be or overlooking how I am. (Don't quote me on that, please, it's a general statement.//

So what? Do you want me to congratulate you? Do you want me to give you a pat on the back for going, and this is pushing it, a month without being rude to someone? You should have continued to be civil. It's such a problem for you, yet the rest of us somehow manage to pull it off most of the time. This is what I'm seeing from you now, despite your claims that some of us are still "blinded by the past."

//I want to know why it can't still be our place. What makes it right for us to be ripped away from our home? Everyone's always talking about not being nice to newbs, but forGET the newbs. They are not us; they should not have the power to take what is ours.//

Excuse me. You were a goddamn newbie at one point. And speaking as a former newbie, this is not just your place! This is everyone's place! This is Alt's place; this is Elodie's place! We are not a paid membership; we are the number one general forum and we are open to everyone willing to follow our rules. And if you can't accept that, I don't see why you are still here.

//It's that my right to say what I want--the right that we ALL wanted when we came to this new place--was squished and ignored. I expressed my feeling of anger and the people it didn't even effect took it as a personal affront to the people it was aimed toward (hardly even aimed at anyone, for that point).//

No one has the right to say anything they wish, and even so-- there are repurcussions for our words. You want to run off at the mouth? Accept the consequences. And this entire conversation is a result of you wanting to express your righteous anger.

//Sure, the newbies can have rights, but where are MY rights? What about MY feelings? Goddammit, you people, this isn't Cuba twenty years ago! This is today where everyone is supposed to be equal. Look, I'm doing my research here.//

Equality? Don't make me laugh. If this is the case, the newbies should be treated with as much respect and dignity that you've been shown. No one's been an asshole to you without justification, as far as I can tell. Why is it that you cannot show them the same dignity and respect?

//Was I spewing bullshit? Maybe, depends on how you look at it. Was it because she was new? No, it was because she didn't read--or follow--the rules.//

Yes, she should have read the rules. But you did not have to speak to her the way you did. You are still not justified for what you said to her. I suppose your intentions were supposed to be honorable, but you just came off as an asshole. Elodie knows now that she cannot advertise; how she found out is completely inexcusable.

//So what's wrong with how I said it? I swear and you take it bad? Oh, she said fuck, so it's okay to be pissed, because clearly this is a bad, bad word. That's hypocritial, considering you all--I take that back, a few of you don't--swear.//

I've already told Jenny-- this was never about the cursing; own up to it. You flat out called her an idiot and pounced on her for something as tiny as advertising. I'm not excusing Elodie's ignorance of the rules. She should have read them. And you should have had the decency to phrase it in a civil manner.

//Where did my justice go? This isn't an argument about the past, this is about the present. You spew on and on about how we are forgetting the old TD and becoming a new place--essentially, forgetting the past--but the minute I do something you put down because it's "rude," it's all aBOUT the past. You want to forget it and then you want it to be evidence against me. Pick a side--either way, I don't care, just stop changing it to make you right.//

Do you know who can't let go of the past, Rayne? You. You want things to go back to the old ways. You want people to let go of your past misconduct. And yet, you continue to lapse back into your old ways and bitch us out for calling you out on it. Why don't you take your own advice? Pick your side. Are you going to attempt to be civil, once and for all, or are you going to be that person who gives newbies grief and gives her friends grief because she "won't change"?

//I'd also like to point out--I think again? I can't remember for the life of me--that I should not have to tell anyone the rules. The rules should be read before you begin posting and checked periodically to make sure there aren't any changes. I'm NOT the babysitter who reminds the kids to brush their teeth before they go to bed. I'm the girl online who doesn't have patience for idiots--YES, goddammit, IDIOTS, because that's what they're acting like--who think they don't have to read the rules.// And may I also remind you that being rude to them and making them feel like outsiders are also against our rules-- or it should be, anyway. That goes for any regular who does it. Do not make yourself out to be the victim. If I'm an asshole to newbies, I expect to have a complaint made against me. This thread isn't designed to get you; it's to keep the level of respect that we should have in this forum at a decent standard.

11/23/2009 #36
How to Train Your Moosie

I have nothing to add at the moment. Mixed opinions.

Actually, to be truthful, part of the reason my opinions are muddled is because so many long posts ^ are making me forget what the original problem was/is. For clarification, what was/is it? Whether Rayne's behaviour was appropriate or not, yes? And is that matter still the central problem--or has it changed? Or just become more complicated?

(You don't actually have to answer that. I'll read it again when I have time.)

11/23/2009 #37
Silver-hair Angel
Oops. I meant advertising is not allowed. I can't edit.
11/23/2009 #38
facelace

OK, too many tl;dr posts for me to bother with. But let me say something anyway. (even though I was never at the incident to begin with)

Rayne’s the one I feel the closest to on here. She had I have texted into the night. We’ve had so many jokes and conversations on here and Wajas and texting and through email and LJ…I just can’t bear to think of her as being in the wrong. Hell, I even have a whole damn folder on Wajas with 359 messages from her. That’s at least 100 conversations, maybe more. I know she can be a bitch, but don’t all of us have a bitchy side? I’ve been inclined to yell at a few newbies because they’ve done something blatantly wrong. (And n00bs in general are thing ice. It’s a tender subject.)

I know Elodie from another forum. She’s nice; she’s answered a bunch of my questions as an inexperienced middle schooler quite nicely. But I also know that Elodie can take being bitched at. I did it to her all the time. I just want to know there was a big blow up over some bitching because some person, new to the forum, didn’t read the rules.

Rayne’s the wrong for yelling at the newbie.

Elodie’s in the wrong for not reading the rules.

Rayne’s off the hook because Elodie could take her outburst.

Elodie’s OK because she’s new.

Who’s right; who’s wrong? I think, that if Elodie forgives Rayne, then Rayne should be given a warning and be done with it. Again, new people to the forum are a tender subject; so case-by-case basis decisions are needed. I wasn’t there for the incident. I’ve read most opinions; I looked at the posts of both people.

My opinion? Rayne and Elodie should work it out.

Case closed.

11/23/2009 . Edited 11/23/2009 #39
mutemockingjay

Rayne’s off the hook because Elodie could take her outburst.

See, I think that is complete fucking bullshit.

See, I love Rayne to pieces, and I always will. But because I value her as a friend, I do not hesitate to be honest with her if I feel something is not cool.

And your point is saying that it is okay to treat people like that because they can take it? Honey, if you go through life like that, good luck having any friends whatsoever. So, yeah, Elodie should have read the rules. But, and this is the fucking important part: Just because she made a mistake or whatever does not give you the fucking right to talk to someone like that.

11/23/2009 #40
facelace

...I knew I was gonna get crap for what I said...

See, I think that is complete fucking bullshit.]

I said that to list multiple opions that could be taken by people. I see the logic in all the ones I listed.

Just because she made a mistake or whatever does not give you the fucking right to talk to someone like that.]

I know. This is a very subjective issue. I'm not saying Rayne shouldn't get a warning. I'm also not saying she was perfectly OK to yell at Elodie like that. I'm just saying maybe, in some cases, the outcome is more important than what made it that way.

11/23/2009 #41
Elodie the Scribe

Okay, I guess I'll speak up now.

Honestly? I was shocked and a tad hurt when Rayne cussed me out, but I got over it instantly. Seriously, why should I get upset over what some person I hardly even know said to me on a fanfiction forum? I have more important things in my life. What's funny is that I didn't directly reply to Rayne because I didn't want to cause drama. I didn't want to start a fight.

So...Rayne, if you're reading this, I don't care if you're sorry for what you did or not. I forgive you. I've all ready forgiven you. While I admit was you did was rude and a bit overreactive, I've moved on. So, you don't have to worry about any negative feelings from me.

Aaaand that is my two cents.

11/23/2009 #42
Blackrow Halls

I'm basically done with this now too, but I gots a metaphor question. If you're pointing a gun at someone, you have no idea if it has ammo or not, and you pull the trigger, what does it matter if it was loaded? You had no way of knowing it wouldn't hurt someone but you pulled the trigger anyway. And Elodie, I know you've forgiven her, which is awesome of you and I think it makes you a saint, but the outcome is only an after-thought of something like that and isn't right no matter the result.

11/23/2009 #43
Silver-hair Angel
I'll try to make this short.

I think it's awesome that Elodie shrugged it off and kept posting. But the issue here is not about Elodie's reaction to Rayne's rude comment; it never has been. It's a non-issue. She didn't react... and? That doesn't diminish what was said to her. It doesn't diminish the fact that it was rude. Most of us were able to recognize off the bat that the comment was uncalled for, and Elodie's lack of reaction to it has nothing to do with it on my end.

11/24/2009 #44
How to Train Your Moosie

Alt, that really is a good metaphor. No lie.

I think it's awesome that Elodie shrugged it off and kept posting. But the issue here is not about Elodie's reaction to Rayne's rude comment; it never has been. It's a non-issue. She didn't react... and? That doesn't diminish what was said to her. It doesn't diminish the fact that it was rude. Most of us were able to recognize off the bat that the comment was uncalled for, and Elodie's lack of reaction to it has nothing to do with it on my end.

Um. Agreed.

But/So what do we do now? We've had a page to vent, people have let out their thoughts, Silver's just isolated the problem^. Now, how to fix it?

I don't know if this falls under being ignorant or not, but I'm wondering if maybe the right thing to do is something . . . simple? I don't how to put this. What I mean to say is: I don't mean just ignore the incident and pretend it never happened; I think we should simply take heed of what's gone down and, again, do our best to prevent it from happening again through that. Think about it. In LTATP, our final solution/order was more or less "be civil to people whether they're new, annoying or otherwise." In wanting people to stop avoiding the archive, I asked people to feel less obliged.

As far as I can see (at the moment), there's really not that much more we can do for this. We can continue to make dramaz out of it (I'm not saying all this was unnecessary, just that we can only go so far discussing it from endless different points of view)--or we can do the simple, somewhat obvious thing and move on. Rayne has her warning. She has her conscience. Whether she wants to let all this affect her future actions is her choice. If it happens again, we'll deal, like we always have; if it doesn't, bloody brilliant.

11/24/2009 #45
Jon Stewart

Which is *shock/gasp* a restriction on free speech. Which is what Rayne is arguing against. Thank you for proving my point for me.

No problem~

Equality? Don't make me laugh. If this is the case, the newbies should be treated with as much respect and dignity that you've been shown. No one's been an asshole to you without justification, as far as I can tell. Why is it that you cannot show them the same dignity and respect?

^ That's my favorite point so far. -nod-

If it happens again, we'll deal, like we always have; if it doesn't, bloody brilliant.

And we should probably work on changing the rules to be more clear about this sort of thing. I tried to keep it vague, since every case could be different, but that's not really working out for us.

((I had a tl;dr post, but it died sometime yesterday. :s))

11/25/2009 #46
Silver-hair Angel
I'm with Annie; Rayne has her warning and I hope (in vain) that she has learned something from all this. End of discussion.

I have a slight concern. We should always be civil to the newbies-- and to each other-- but what about minor disagreements? Are we to discourage those, too? I don't mean one-sided verbal attacks. I am talking about two or more posters who are engaged in heated words with each other-- with it being consensual on all of the participants' parts. Badgering and verbally attacking one member without provocation is not acceptable, but... I don't want to start limiting arguments that are bound to happen and can most likely be worked out on its own by letting everyone get it out of their system. Should we start warning that? A line should be drawn, I think. Or am I being paranoid?

11/25/2009 #47
How to Train Your Moosie

I have a slight concern. We should always be civil to the newbies-- and to each other-- but what about minor disagreements? Are we to discourage those, too? I don't mean one-sided verbal attacks. I am talking about two or more posters who are engaged in heated words with each other-- with it being consensual on all of the participants' parts. Badgering and verbally attacking one member without provocation is not acceptable, but... I don't want to start limiting arguments that are bound to happen and can most likely be worked out on its own by letting everyone get it out of their system. Should we start warning that? A line should be drawn, I think. Or am I being paranoid?

I say... -sigh- I say no. Because in real life, disagreements happen. And they're good, because through them people learn. Sometimes they blow up into something bigger, sometimes they don't; it all comes down to the people involved, the circumstances, and, of course, each individual senario.

This is real life. If we start drawing lines on everything, it won't feel like that at all, and people will just feel constricted, and then there's that freedom of speech stuff again. Yes, there's being civil, but...is it not being somewhat petty to have to clarify that beyond "be civil, dammit"? It's common sense--at least, it should be. Laying down rule after rule may make things calmer looking on the outside, but somehow I don't think the same can be said for the inside.

We're real people with feelings that need to be expressed, and we should be able to say what needs to be said whether this is the internet or not. Of course, that comes with limitations. To me, that we're online makes a huge difference in a lot of ways. Off the computer, conversations can usually be recalled by memory only; at T/D, we can literally go back and display what was said verbatim. Of course, that can't tell you everything, because you can't hear people's tone of voice via pixels. This situation is a good example: Rayne could have meant what she said jokingly, sarcastically--but because we see font instead of hearing spoken words, we can't tell. And then even more misunderstanding easily arises from that.

I think I went off-topic at the end there, but anyway. xD

11/25/2009 #48
Silver-hair Angel
Okay, Annie. You and I are on the same page, then. So, what we have to work out is how we're going to incorporate this into the rules, so there's no misunderstanding.
11/25/2009 #49
Ky-lassassin

...Not relating to that ^, which seems to have moved to LTATP, but...

Kelly came back yesterday. =O Jenny hands out some warnings/strikes. Fun stuff all around. :D

http://fanfiction.net/topic/48799/20744691/9/

(Scroll down 'til you see the colorful av about us. 8D)

12/12/2009 #50
Beautiful Thief

Hey, guys, this person made some advertising spam post in the January/February Challenge Thread. I deleted it, but I screencapped it (here: ).

blackcookie2; id: [2179799]

12/22/2009 . Edited 12/22/2009 #51
Ky-lassassin

So...Jared stopped by recently, and then we learned last night that apparently Kelly hacked his account, Virtuous Wanderer [1504896] and that Jared is Mister Rabbit [2102802], that newb that popped up a few days ago. And then Kelly comes back on her sock, Butterfly Romance [1688827], because clearly she's worse than Jeremy at the whole "Never coming back" concept.

Lei banned them all--Kelly for trolling again, and Jared's accounts because we can't be sure which one is Kelly.

12/28/2009 #52
Blackrow Halls

I felt I should post that Jared's been unblocked since no one else posted it here, unless it shouldn't be posted here. :P

1/15/2010 #53
Ky-lassassin

Lunar-Dusk

[2118154]

[xx] Offense I - trolling, stirring up drama - March 2010; March 13, 2010

BLOCKED - one week - March 13, 2010

^ That happened. Check the Archive for more info~

3/13/2010 #54
How to Train Your Moosie

From the archive:

Event: Above new person (bluefroggie) has shitty n00b grammar. After being asked to introduce themselves and not rape the English language several times, Annie issues a semi-warning. Next offense will be an official warning on the Blackboard.

Link: http://fanfiction.net/topic/48799/24214952/5/#24225702

Event: N00b from a couple days ago, bluefroggie, is back, again with bad grammar. Ky gives them another semi-warning (and, again, they immediately disappear -.-).

Link: http://fanfiction.net/topic/48799/24214952/21/#24287071

Next offense will be a warning here.

3/27/2010 #55
Ky-lassassin

Datonman

[1226819]

[x] Offense I - lack of intro/failure to follow rules of thread - August 21, 2010

This happened.

Jenn, you can revoke it if you want, but I'm sick of yelling about intros and the Review Tag rules. And I'm not the only one. -.-

8/21/2010 #56
Ky-lassassin

Third Kind

[2043892]

[x] Offense I - lack of intro - August 20, 2010

--

In.Light.Syrup

[2034562]

[x] Offense I - lack of intro - September 1, 2010

--

Tsuki.Yuujiro

[2487717]

[x] Offense I - lack of intro - September 2, 2010

--

Ky-lassassin 2.0

[2376741]

[xx] Offense I - continuous abuse of the English language - September 1, 2010; September 2, 2010

So these happened, too. |D

If you don't read up to post in the intro thread, I have a hard time believing that you've read the rules.

Elknoir, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect you to use proper capitalization and full stops at the ends of your sentences.

Again, if you have issues with this, yell, revoke, demote, whatever.

9/2/2010 . Edited 9/2/2010 #57
Ky-lassassin

"Eli" is banned for being a troll.

Ata is also banned, but the reason may or may not be a ~secret...except I acted on it, so ask Two about it I guess (unless you're Jenny; I love you moast, so I'll totes tell you). If you're smart enough to put two and two together, good for you. -salute-

...Basically Ata and Eli are the same person. YAY.

11/23/2010 . Edited 11/23/2010 #58
Ky-lassassin

So we banned Ata again yesterday yup.

12/21/2010 #59
How to Train Your Moosie

Stabbz 7x

http://forum.fanfiction.net/topic/48799/35161501/63/#35945123

First warning for multiple rules repeatedly broken. Ky, I don't know how to do the linking properly. x.x

12/27/2010 #60
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