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Thranduil Oropherion Redux

Now, whether my consciousness will survive the destruction of my brain (immortal soul) I simply do not know. But I know there is a 'me' here currently.

12/26/2010 #1,321
Virtuella

I'm inclined to think so, too. However, at a pinch it is very difficult to give any convicing evidence for why that should be so. On the other hand, as Kristjansson says, "hard anti self realists have not given any real arguments, they simply proclaim their views." They also have not much else apart from "because I say so."

12/26/2010 . Edited 12/26/2010 #1,322
Morthoron

Cogito ergo sum -- I think, therefore I am -- makes the most sense to me. The rest of the metaphysical blather is just a means for philosopher-types to escape manual labor.

12/26/2010 #1,323
Thranduil Oropherion Redux

The rest of the metaphysical blather is just a means for philosopher-types to escape manual labor.

And get laid by women who think using really big words makes you sound smart.

12/26/2010 #1,324
Morthoron

And get laid by women who think using really big words makes you sound smart.

Philosopher groupies? Hmmm...I know if they gravitate towards teaching at universities their chances of getting laid by starry-eyed sophomores are far greater than merely pontificating from ivory towers.

12/26/2010 . Edited 12/26/2010 #1,325
Thranduil Oropherion Redux

There's always a book-signing. :P

12/26/2010 #1,326
Virtuella

Cogito ergo sum -- I think, therefore I am -- makes the most sense to me.

It does. However, I think one needs at least to consider the possibility that the self is an illusion.

12/26/2010 #1,327
Thranduil Oropherion Redux

It does. However, I think one needs at least to consider the possibility that the self is an illusion.

And this would improve my life how, exactly? As in, I do not exist, so what now?

12/26/2010 #1,328
Virtuella

Makes you less self-assured, I suppose. But I didn't mean one should consider it because it's wholesome and uplifting, but because it makes for a more balanced argument.

12/26/2010 #1,329
Thranduil Oropherion Redux

I don't see why there needs to be any kind of argument over something that ultimately makes no difference to a person's course of action.

12/26/2010 #1,330
Thranduil Oropherion Redux

Which is to say, I'll consider it as seriously as anything else.

12/26/2010 #1,331
Morthoron

It does. However, I think one needs at least to consider the possibility that the self is an illusion.

I don't see the necessity. If the self is an illusion, then thought is false. If thought is false then there is no need discussing philosophy because none of it is real. We might as well talk about aliens or leprechauns.

12/26/2010 #1,332
Virtuella

I just think it's neater thinking to consider all possibilities, but you certainly have a point there.

12/27/2010 #1,333
Morthoron

just think it's neater thinking to consider all possibilities, but you certainly have a point there.

Yes, you are right. We certainly wouldn't have much of a philosophy thread with my rotten attitude. ;P

12/27/2010 #1,334
Virtuella

I didn't say anything like that. I mean you are right to say that in this particular case, one of the viewpoints cannot possibly yield a viable result.

12/27/2010 #1,335
Morthoron

I didn't say anything like that.

No, you didn't. I was referring to myself in a self-deprecatory manner. But I don't see much use in nihilism, existentialism, empiricism or other isms. Except for Gregism, of which I am particularly fond.

P.S. Nice picture, by the way.

12/27/2010 . Edited 12/27/2010 #1,336
Virtuella

Thanks. Note the pearl necklace. ;-)

Gregism is, if nothing else, very entertaining.

12/27/2010 #1,337
Morthoron

If you only knew the sexual connotation of 'pearl necklace', you and Clodia would not be referring to it in this inordinately...risque...forum.

12/27/2010 #1,338
Olorime

LOL!

I knew he wouldn't be able to resist pointing that out.

I was watching the whole exchange in my blackberry yesterday morning.

Morth, Morth, Morth...

12/27/2010 #1,339
Morthoron

I really tried to refrain. Really I did. I even tried changing the subject.

12/27/2010 #1,340
Thranduil Oropherion Redux

I was watching the whole exchange in my blackberry yesterday morning.

So was I, biting my knuckles and grinning. Morth, you are a wicked man to toy with the innocent. :P

12/27/2010 #1,341
Morthoron

Hey, I tried mightily to change the subject. I was dying.

12/27/2010 #1,342
Thranduil Oropherion Redux

I was dying.

No, you will be dying once V Googles 'pearl necklace'.

Edit: But since 'self' is all an illusion anyway, you'll have nothing to lose.

12/27/2010 . Edited 12/27/2010 #1,343
Olorime

No, you will be dying once V Googles 'pearl necklace'.

V, make sure you go look up the "urban dictionary" definition of "pearl necklace."

12/27/2010 #1,344
Morthoron

It is popular enough to have a Wiki...

12/27/2010 #1,345
Thranduil Oropherion Redux

I was just about to say -- Wikipedia's definition is much better. And, my god -- there's even a Youtube video. O_o

12/27/2010 #1,346
Olorime

*gasps horrified*

There is an illustration. Yikes...

12/27/2010 #1,347
militaryhistory

That is mighty disturbin'. Morth, it's bad and good that you're residin' in Michigan.

Bad, because the ground is frozen. Good, because your body'll be preserved by the cold.

12/27/2010 #1,348
Thranduil Oropherion Redux

Yes, one haughty stare from the Mighty Virtuella can drop a man in his tracks. :P

Hello, Milhist.

12/27/2010 #1,349
militaryhistory

To Olorime: Yes. There was. That was why it was mighty disturbin' rather than just disturbin'.

Hey Randy. And yes, yes it can.

12/27/2010 #1,350
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