The Mechanics of In Flight
One of my reviewers mentioned the idea of starting a forum for those who want to debate various points of my story without clogging up the review section too much. I decided to go ahead and give it a try.
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deppilf

I believe Shinta and Kumako are Musubi's children. I don't recall Yume ever being an official parent. o.O

For the character page:

Kyon- Deadpan Snarker (Seriously? The character page gets updated every time I refresh it and that hasn't been added.)

Chiyo- Badass Normal, Perpetual Smiler, Lethal Chef (Does she count?), Combat Pragmatist, Dual Wielding, Heroes Prefer Swords

That's all I got for now. I'd add them in myself but I just signed up and the edit page is kinda intimidating at the moment.

Edit: For the main page someone might want to add Rule of Funny. Around 70% of The Clan is sustained just by that.

11/3/2011 . Edited 11/3/2011 #751
Lycodrake

@deppilf: Added those mentioned for Kyon and Chiyo.

11/3/2011 #752
Shioran Toushin

Yume is Shinta's mother, his light manipulation comes from her, and Chiyo is or more correctly creates 'the ultimate equalizer' as there is no escape nor defense against her FOHD and that is also why her triumph card can't activate fragarach like effects, as it' an enviromental change, and a 2-edged sword as she becames just as vulnerable.

11/3/2011 . Edited 11/3/2011 #753
lhklan The Unpronounceable

Gilgamesh: Almighty Janitor; Hyperspace Arsenal; Walls of Blades; Tsundere; Jerk with a heart of Gold

Primate Murder: Papa Wolf (litterally)

Arika: Tsundere, Yandere (As Arika Alter), Ahoge

11/3/2011 #754
mega1987

From tvtropes:

*Chiyo:

Lethal Chef:Sorta. Her dishes are noted as being extremely healthy but they taste terrible.*

-----

Did anyone among you guys gave her Kuzuha Mizuha's HEALTH DRINK recipe for her cooking?

One question though: How many already fainted from her food? And how many who just shrug it like Heero, Arado, Elzam/Rastel and a very few aliens to Kusuha's Health Drink?

11/3/2011 #755
deppilf

@Shioran

I see, it's a bit difficult to keep track of all these munchkins running around.

As for the comment on Chiyo, I'm not sure if it should be a double-edged sword though since, if I recall correctly, she mostly uses it on beings which far outclass her. It's less a case of 'making herself as vulnerable as her opponent' and closer to a 'bring the opponent down to my level' kind of thing.

@lhklan

I'm not sure about Yandere for Alter Arika. I don't remember any yandere tendencies in the snippet where she was in alter mode. Then again, I've already shown that I'm not always right (*points to Yume comment at the top of this page*) and I've been running off caffeine for the past 30 hours or so so my brain's doing funny things to my memory.

@mega

Not sure who that is but I don't think there's been a case of anyone surviving Chiyo's cooking (they all get better though). There might have been but I don't recall anyone ever posting a snippet of it.

11/3/2011 . Edited 11/3/2011 #756
lhklan The Unpronounceable

@deppilf

Uh, you might want to check the old threat. Drunk!Arika is extreme Tsundere, while Alter!Arika is a Yandere. One omake has the entire Pendragon line got their ahoge pulled, whith Shirou mentioning that Arika either want to time travel to Camelot to raep Lancelot, or to summon him and replicating Shirou and Saber activating.

11/3/2011 #757
maximorph1

besides his cooking, any idea what Kiri has for troupes?

11/3/2011 #758
Shioran Toushin

FoHD whole concept it's a 2 edged sword, the fact is that she actually uses it against beings that would utterly anihilate her FoHD or not so one edge is blunted OTOH in one of the versions there is also the psichological and metaphysical aspects of that technique that brings her closer to RROD and to become a concept and les Chiyo each time she uses it.

IIRC more than Yandere she seems somewhat obsessed with Lancelot and is utterly confused as to what she feels towards him (even if in the end is not romantic love)

Chiyo's 'normal' food does taste bad but it's heathy it's her specialities that makes you wish for death and then the OMG health buff, as she cares nothing for the actual taste of her food and more to the nutritional aspects of it (if she wanted she could cook Miya-class food but she doesn't)

Kiri-class|------------------|Aurora-class|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|Rin/Lluvia/Medusa-class, Chiho/Medea-class, Miya-class, Sakura-class/Gil-class, Shirou-class(Akasha wages war for this kind of cooking, yes, it's THAT good and has a very good nutritional values)|----------| Chiyo-class (more nutrients, taste like death)

@depp: have a good rest man.

@Maxi: BK!Kiri: templar, determinator, martyr, black knight, (k)nightmare, battle specialist, shit got real, the anti-heroe

Shinra: incarnation of god (actually just the will of humanity)

Reiko: eldrich abomination: Yog sototh AKA Time and Space

Ichigo: priestess of Earth

and i think thats all for today, cya tomorrow.

11/3/2011 . Edited 11/3/2011 #759
deppilf

@lhklan

And I'm wrong two for two. Not a good day for me.

@maxi

Magnificent Bastard and Well-Intentioned Extremist for the older Kiri, perhaps?

@Shioran

For Chiyo's cooking that makes three out of three things I was wrong on. I think that's a sign I need to get some sleep.

11/3/2011 #760
lhklan The Unpronounceable
@maximorp Combat Pragmatist.
11/3/2011 #761
deus-rasengan2

Haru tropes:

+Bare Fisted Monk

+Always Someone Better

+Challenge Seeker

+Fearless Fool

+Miles to go before I sleep

+We do the Impossible

+Weapon of Choice (Beowulf)

DA! Haru's tropes are the same,

-Weapon of Choice

+Death Seeker

11/3/2011 . Edited 11/3/2011 #762
Shioran Toushin

i need sleep if instead of reading Beowolf (Beowulf) i read Biowof/Biowulf...

11/3/2011 #763
deus-rasengan2

For BK Kiri:

+Bolivian Army Ending

11/3/2011 #764
justbehappydammit

I swear to god, I get on this thread as usual, and what's the first thing I see?

Emiya Clan on TV Tropes.

FUCK YEAH.

11/3/2011 . Edited 11/3/2011 #765
maximorph1

yeah, looked up the troupes suggested and I have to say Magnificent Bastard is Kiri (BK mode) to a T.

11/3/2011 #766
sagitarius

I get sick for a few days and come back to this.

Thank you God, for finally dealing me a good hand.

On another note, wasn't there a fanart with all the pictures of the Emiya clan children in them (Well, exluding Ulf and Touma). Think someone can upload it in the main page? And the portraits in the characters' page too.

11/3/2011 #767
lhklan The Unpronounceable

Shirou Emiya Trope:

Memetic Badass

Memetic Sex God

Chef of Iron

Beware the Nice One

Papa Wolf

Supreme Chef

11/3/2011 #768
maximorph1

Because this place is for Omakes, I am posting this so we can get back on track. Troupes are fine, but it's getting old talking about them.

xxxxxxxxxxxxx

How many times had she gone this up this beaten path? How many times had she come here to relax after some fool tried to destroy Utpoia? Too many, far too many times. Tou-san had been right, Utopia was easy to create compared to maintaining it. Just last week she had ben forced to bring down a company that was developing a virus that was to be unleashed on the human population forcing them to buy a vaccine they alone possessed. Fools.

Aurora walked up that hill once more with flowers in her hands grateful that she had bought every inch of land for miles. Many a man had tried to buy some of the choice land here, but she had refused to sell. This place, this resting place for her three dearest people, her two fathers and her 'Onee-san" Artemis rested here on this untouched land where no one was allowed to build, no one was allowed to modify. Gaia, and Gaia alone was allowed to tamper with this place, and not even the great spirit of the Earth touched it. This placed remained the same for all these millenia.

Aurora stood before the three tombstones and sighed while placing the flowers on the graves. "Tadaima." she whispered as she brushed a few leaves off of the tombstones. "It's been a while. Not much has changed from last time I was here, but I needed a break. Too much pain, too much misery still lingers in this world. Mankind still has that innate desire to destroy itself with greed and petty grievances. For now, another is taking on the role of the Black Knight while I rest. Tell me, Tou-sans, did you expect the copycats? The vigilantes that risk thier lives to follow ideals that they truly never understood. They think they do, but they never knew the true cost of the ideal...not until their ends."

Aurora shifted into her snake woman form and curled around the three graves. "So much has happened over these long years, so much pain and death. World and Galactic wars have scarred the Universe. Countless lives died screaming as horrors were inflicted on them. Yet, something changed. The Black KNight, the symbol called to others to reject the natural order, to reject laws and common sense. To lose their identities for an ideal that was greater than them all. The first Kiritsugu started the ideal, Ojii-san honed the ideal, and you both refined it into what I am. Now, I see countless Black Knights, some good, some bad. Many of them I have been forced to take down as they are as much a threat to Utopia as murderers and conspiracies."

"I am Tired Tou-sans. So very tired...but I have to do this, I have to continue this dream. It eats at me like so many of our family. This ideal pushes me and them, pushes us to the brink of death, and sometimes beyond. Each of us aim for that better world, where everyone can be saved, everyone can be happy, everyone can trust each other. We are still not there, and thus we keep going. I keep going. Reiko, Eiko, Ichigo, Shinra, they all focused on the Utopia. But you, Utopia was merely a stepping stone, a checkmark. And thus I keep going. I keep playing the role of the Black Knight. I will keep playing the role until somone can finally end this road. Please, wait for me a little longer."

Aurora looked to the horizon and frowned. They were coming, they had tracked here here and followed her to this sacred and untouched place. No, she would not fight here, this place had not been touched by warsince before her fathers had gone to thier rest, it would not be desicrated now. Aurora's eyes narrowed as she focused on the enemy. With a single word, her enemies were suddenly flying in the wrong direction. They were lucky, it was here that she would nto fight, it was here that she would not kill to protect the ideal. This place was sacred to her, her temple, her refuge. None would fight on this land. Like the great Emiya Mausoleum where most of the family rested, this place would never bear the scars of war.

Aurora shifted back into human form and daintily picked up her armor before putting it on. She spared a thought at her younger self where she had hated to wear dresses, much less armor. But now, she almost felt naked without the black metal on her. Only here did she dare take it off and revel in her body. Only here could she relax, and those fools dared to taint this place with thier presence? She watched as they tried time and time again to enter the land, but time and time again, they were suddenly facing the wrong way. She watched them as they fumbeld for a bit, before they gave up.

They would try again, but she would not give them the chance. "Watch over me tou-sans, Onee-san. I'm off to show them what the Black Knight turly is." She donned her helmet once more and drew her blade. "Come intruders, show me what you fight for. Show me your fury and zeal and I will show you mine!"

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AN: Meh, I never believed a paradise could last, not even with the Emiya Clan. It would take a great force to keep Utpoia stable, a force that Reiko and Eiko could not lest they tamper too much while Ichigo and Shinra speak for things that are not human and do not think like humans.

Anywayz, read and review

11/4/2011 #769
sagitarius

@maxi

Grim as that may be, I can't help but agree on it. Still, good to see that the clan seems to have kept to their ideals if Aurora's actions are par for the course.

11/4/2011 #770
Mu-Sensei
We have our page in tv tropes!? Ok, now I'm screwed. How many characters do I have to fix profile for? Maxi takes Kiri, Throwaawy Sakuya (please?), Silver sun takes Aya, Shadow takes Arika(was you writing Arika x Lancelot?) leaving me with Kaien, Aoshi, Fuuko, Keiko and Karin... That would take a while. @Maxi: Agree with you, thats why I made that Last day of Kamikura Island series (which I have to continue... somehow).
11/4/2011 #771
maximorph1

sorry, but i don't do troupes, i'm not that genre savy

11/4/2011 #772
sagitarius

After satisfying my inexplicable urge to play my old DS games, combined with the 'My friends... and Zoidberg' entry for Jun over at Tv tropes, my head went and decided to make this. Take the following omake in whatever way you deem worthy.

---X---

Jun sighed as he sat down in one of the library's tables. "Sometimes, I really don't like Riko-nee," he thought to himself. It was just his luck that his older sister had decided to make him the target of her most recent prank. Although that probably also had something to do with the fact that he'd inadvertently caused her previous one to fall apart before it could even start.

But both of those are stories meant for another time.

Right now, Jun was tasked with helping to clean the school library as part of his detention ."And summer vacation was just about to start too. Kaa-san really wont be happy about this."

That was probably the reason why Riko's prank had gone the way it did. He always strove to be good at whatever he was tasked to do; a trait that mitigated, but never really left him after being rescued from the Barthomeloi estate. Never once had he ever needed to serve detention. Ever.

Which was why, when the faculty had found various articles of female underwear in his backpack, they'd actually decided to give him the benefit of the doubt as to whether he'd actually stolen them. Still, many of the female refused to let the matter go without him paying some sort of retribution. Hence his current situation.

Sighing once more, Jun allowed his eyes to wander across the table. His job was nearly done, with only a few books an forgotten stationary still left where students had once used them. The desk he was sitting in front of having a large one itself. An old one too, if it's tattered leather cover was anything to go by.

Deciding to finally get over with his job, the brunette reached for the brown tome… and immediately withdrew his hand upon doing so; staring at the book with wide eyes full of curiosity and anxiety.

Like his father, Jun too, could sense magical presences quite easily. Unlike his father however (and rather unfortunately), he could only feel such things through –at the very least, indirect– contact with the source in question.

The book on the table was mystical without a doubt. And it was strong as well. Very strong. It gave off about the same feel as his time-traveling sister, but with more…authority behind it, as though it were written by old man time himself.

He continue to stand there, transfixed at the object in front of him for a few more seconds before he finally found his courage. Taking a deep breath, he slowly reached for the tome, gently bringing it closer to him as he examined its cover.

Not exactly grand, yet far from being plain either: A simple brown cover with strips of metal –bronze or brass, most likely– crisscrossing at the top, finished off with an elliptical glass-like bead for a centerpiece.

Curiosity bit into his mind as he, despite his better judgement, slowly opened it; wholly expecting some sort of highly advanced spell book concerning the second magic. As such, it understandably came as a great disappointment when the context turned out to be nothing more than a bunch of sketches.

Admittedly very good sketches, apparently of warriors and mages, but sketches nonetheless. At first, the only thing that the Emiya scion could do was stare at the pages, dumbfounded at the lack of anything truly mystical in nature; flipping each one in search ofanythingthat might have prompted his senses to react in the way that they did.

In the end, he got nothing… literally. The pages just went blank halfway through the book and continued on till the very end. Only on the very last page was the pattern broken; bearing two simple sentences:

One is fated to fill these barren pages. Know you his name?

Jun blinked upon reading the line, unsure of how he should feel. Then the moment passed and he found himself reaching for a discarded pen. "I shouldn't," he told himself, yet he did not hesitate. "I know I shouldn't do this but…" he focused his mind away from such thoughts, his curiosity –the call of his mage's blood– was screaming at him. Telling him. No. Demanding him to write his name don on the book.

And he gave in. Without a second thought, he wrote his name below the only other words that occupied the ancient book.

All at once, a deafening silence came over the room. Time seemed to stop at that very moment as the magic within the tome came to life. A strong wind began to blow despite the enclosed space, enveloping Jun in a miniature tornado, as the book's pages began to turn wildly.

Then, there came a sudden flash of light, and all he could see was darkness, and the tome; glowing bright as it exuded an unfathomable amount of power. Jun felt himself falling then, and as much as he wanted to scream, no sound came out of his mouth.

---X---

For those who don't know where this thing is heading, just google the lines in bold. For those that do know (now) :what do you think, canon potential or not?

P.S. I am well aware that the method by which Jun received detention was stupid and unrealistic, but in my defense, so is 75% of the stuff in both threads, and it was the only conceivable way I could do things while capturing Riko's personality from my perspective as well.

11/4/2011 #773
maximorph1

...yeah I only ever played FFTA. Don't have a DS so I ahve no idea how this FFT compares. Still, interesting.

11/4/2011 #774
sagitarius

@maxi

Completely unrelated note that will not be debated regardless of answer: are you on the 'Marche is a villain' side or 'is an anti-hero' side?

@everyone

If given the approval to continue, what do you guys think should be Jun's reaction to the following:

1) First fight with a Lamia

2) Trading in the right baazar items to buy Exalibur

3) Meeting the FF verse Gilgamesh (Yes, I know this doesn't happen in game, but he did appear in FF12, which is set in he same continent)

11/4/2011 #775
Mu-Sensei
@Sagitarius: Look promising. I will google it. @Maxi: Well, recruit someone them, leaving all to me is unfair... I've been wiki-walking since the previous post. I'll go write some omake.
11/4/2011 #776
maximorph1

@Saitarius

If you are refering to if I think Marche was right, then I would say yes. The world is a dream for them and dreams must end...not to mention Mewt was a douche. Seriously, he gets to be prince and all i get is a freaking moogle? A level one moogle with a tiny unheard of and unnamed guild?

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

11/4/2011 . Edited 11/4/2011 #777
sagitarius

@maxi

Good, I need not use any profanities then.

I'd still like to get some feedback on the possible reactions though. Particularly from you concerning the first one. Aurora is your character after all.

11/4/2011 #778
maximorph1

Aurora is like the Lamina like man is like the ape. Aurora looks down on those snake woman like you look down at a baboon. Though, Jun would probably look at the monster then his training would kick in once she attacked him. he is a Bartholemu. I would leave Excalibur and Gilgamesh out if I were you, that or take one look at 'Excalibur' and laugh calling it a fake.

For the Lamia, do your thing, Aurora is infintly more powerful if she ever bothered to fight seriously.

...actually, you could do that with 'Gilgamesh' too.

As for TV troupes, I have no idea how to upload them, But BK has that Eyepatch of Power (Missing Right Eye and concealing an Avalon pendant)and Artificial Limb (Left Hand with a concealed gun) troupe and probably Magnificent Bastard. Battle Proficency as well. Oh, and heroic Sacrifice (Died to save his daughter)

Anti-hero maybe? Not a clue what level

11/4/2011 . Edited 11/4/2011 #779
sagitarius

Point taken, though I hope you do your homework first before you make that analogy again. Despite the seemingly great difference, humans and other apes are actually more similar than you might believe. It would've been better to make the comparison between them and monkeys. Just enough similarities but more than enough differences.

Anyway, forget that rant.

On the point of Excalibur...... well yeah, that could work, but given his introductory omake and the few times he's been mentioned, I don't think Jun is really the kind of person to do that. The same an be said for Gilgamesh......... and now I have this image in my head where FF Gilgamesh is blinking at Jun, dumbfounded, with his many arms falling slack after he tells him about uncle Gil.

11/4/2011 #780
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