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P3MF Alpha 3-Richter

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Giving random tips without being prompted belong in the "Writing tips and pointers" topic.

9/14/2011 . Edited 2/22/2012 #1

Can you also just give random tips here (without being prompted), instead of asking for help?

9/14/2011 #2
P3MF Alpha 3-Richter

Um...No. That's what the "Writing tips and pointers." is for.

9/14/2011 #3
Storylover Vodhr- Dux Ducis

So Richter, what is your opinions on romance on this site?

9/15/2011 #4
P3MF Alpha 3-Richter

I think that you should try to be original in your romance, or if you have to use a cliche, try to make it interesting with perhaps a side-plot or add something to the overused.

What's your opinion on lemons?

9/15/2011 #5
Storylover Vodhr- Dux Ducis

Lemons? Hmmm, Lemons are ok, not really my thing in the terms of making the story more enjoyable. But, they add a lot to the plot, and many use it as a "No going back" Point in the romance. one the characters have sexual relations, they are stuck together in terms of stories on this site for the most part. Lemons can be good, or bad, but as long as they aren't to squicky, I don't have troubles with them.

9/15/2011 #6
Storylover Vodhr- Dux Ducis

What is your opinions on PwP?

9/15/2011 #7
P3MF Alpha 3-Richter

My opinion is that a lemon should be more than just smut, like actually have love in it, not just sexual fantasies in it. The romance of a lemon should outdo the sex itself, to make the "romance" tag of the story not a lie, and more likely to be replaced with a "smut" tag.

Have you had any questions about writing?

9/15/2011 . Edited 9/17/2011 #8
P3MF Alpha 3-Richter
PwP appeals to those who just discovered lemons, or who merely read a story for sex. Unfortunately, PwP rarely has any actual love in it. Without a plot, it is simply just porn, nothing more. Just a dirty fantasy for the writer and the readers, most likely to be forgotten by the next few PwP that are written.
9/15/2011 #9
Storylover Vodhr- Dux Ducis

One. How do you know what makes a story good?

9/15/2011 #10
P3MF Alpha 3-Richter

It depends. To the reader, it must appeal to them. To the writer, they should write with emotion, proof read and edit it to as little mistakes as they can find, make their story's title and/or summary something that would interest the passerby, and re-edit the first chapter (Unless it's a one-shot), especially the first few lines to be as interesting as possible.

A good story should most importantly -break every other rule but this- keep and bring in readers, and take in the advice of those who enjoyed the story so much they took the time to write construcive criticism on it.

What do you think makes a good story?

9/15/2011 #11
Storylover Vodhr- Dux Ducis

Something written from the heart, something that touches the readers, not just entertains or makes them have a emotional whiplash, depending on the genre. Something people can relate too, with a story that makes the person anxious to read the next chapter, and gets impatient even if the next chap is already written but just loading onto their computer. That's what I consider a great story. I have read around three of them so far, and their pull was greater then most actual books or movies they were based off of.

9/15/2011 #12
P3MF Alpha 3-Richter

What would you consider my story (What You Meant To Me) to be? Be perfectly honest and as non-biased as possible, if you can.

Also, would you tell me how the romance in it was in a seperate paragraph?

9/15/2011 #13
Storylover Vodhr- Dux Ducis

I loved it. the first 6 chapters hooked me, and I reread your story several times. In fact, it was the only story I have reread more then once.

9/15/2011 #14
Storylover Vodhr- Dux Ducis

As for the romance, it hooked me, caught my attention, and gave me a lovey dovey feeling I don't usually feel when I read stories. And seeing as your story was the first human/non human I ever read, That makes it even more impressive.

9/15/2011 #15
Stray Sentinel

I consider the story great when the characters reach into your chest and grip your heartstrings. When they - and their world - have that little 'spark' that lends them more life than they should have; that makes you almost forget they're only ink and paper. When you can make the character live on in the person's mind, so much so that they pick up your story again and again to 'revisit' your world, that is a truly great story. It's not just a story that lingers for a moment, but endures for a lifetime, even for generations.

Sometimes I've seen stories where the stories themselves may or may not be great, but there was a character that called with hidden possiblities, storylines and meanings unexplored. One of the reasons I write fanfiction, in fact. XD

And thus I prove beyond a doubt that I'm a gushy mushball. :P

Anyone have any pointer for dropping hints of a darker intent or purpose before the fact? (foreshadowing anyone?)

9/15/2011 . Edited 9/15/2011 #16
P3MF Alpha 3-Richter

To use foreshadowing, think of like A stranger in a strange land. Depending on whether it is subtle or blantant, we'll talk blantant first. You must hint of what what is to come so that it is obvious to those know what's going to happen, but leave those who don't mere tips to see what will happen. If it is subtle, use little hints of what's to come, so that when it does happen, the reader will understand that the occurence/character/etc. didn't come out of nowhere.

If you don't use foreshadowing sometimes, an occurence out of nowhere with no previous indication may be a deus ex machina on the writer's part.

9/16/2011 #17
DragonKnight - Beta 26

Hmm...I agree with both Story and Ricther. A properly done lemon doesn't leave you with a bitter taste in your mouth. A romantic scene can be graphic, yet still actually romantic at the same time. Unlike that total mindf**k from the chat yesterday (*shudders*)

That being said, I am still unsure as to how far to go when I finally write the first 'romantic' scene in my fic. I want it to be passionate, but not overly explicit. Might have to read through some of the famous ExS's for reference/guidance

9/16/2011 #18

((It's me story, just to lazy to sign out of my RP account))

That is a good Idea. I learned how to write lemons from Richter and given inside. Studying other writers is a great way to learn.

9/16/2011 #19

What are you guy's opinions on poetry?

9/17/2011 #20
P3MF Alpha 3-Richter

I think poetry can be done well, but if there was any type of document that could be Beta-Read for, poetry should be the one to be Beta'd. Mainly because there may be some inconsistency in the poem that will nag at the reader and will ask why the "beat" fell apart for a few lines.

If done well, poetry can be something that can garner many favorites.

9/17/2011 #21

I agree. Some poetry can be meaningful if 'divided up' the right way (putting certain things on a new line, stuff like that), but if not it just sounds too choppy. Poetry, or at least the more common kind, relies more on single words to carry the meaning, rather than sentences and dialogue like in a story. A well written poem can be beautiful, so people should at least try to make a good poem before trying to pass their work off as one.

9/17/2011 #22
P3MF Alpha 3-Richter

A good poem I found is both of the horror/poetry genre -without an M-rating I should add.

Another poem of the romance/poetry genre I enjoyed was this.

9/17/2011 #23

I liked those! The first one was an interesting twist on an innocent child's song, making it into the horror genre. I haven't played Dead Space, but I can get enough of it without having to. The second one's repeating of the first line was a good way to link it together, one of the many little 'tricks' of poetry. Here is a poem that I found very good.

9/17/2011 #24
P3MF Alpha 3-Richter

Comment asked me a good question about not wanting to write at less than his best, so here's an excerpt.

One day you sit down to start writing, and you discover something about yourself. Some pounce on that blank document, others stare at it, frozen by fear of writing something wrong. Which kind are you?

There are two writing modes, Creative mode and Editing mode. In creative you give yourself the freedom to try different things, with the understanding they may or may not work. Writing badly in creative mode is okay. Everyoneexpectsthat in this mode your writing will be bad (and of course, some will be good). Creation is anarchy; so get a little crazy when being creative. That's what you'resupposedto do.

In Editing mode, your goal is to clean up the mess that you made in Creative mode. You analyze what you wrote, and straighten it out to make sense.

Writer's block is what happens when you try to do both at the same time. Don't! It's like driving with the gas and brakes on at the same time.

Give yourself permission to write bad on the draft. After all, your readers won't see it. Just get it written. Later in Editing mode, you can go on making it all pretty.

Hell, on a blank piece of paper just write, "I have full permission to write a really bad first draft, because I know that most first drafts by most authors are lame. I'll get it right on the revision." Put the date and your signature and post it where you write, or what you write on.

There are 4 creative paradigms or writing methods that even novelists use to write their first drafts with.

Seat-of-the-pants: Just write straight through without planning or editing. (Until afterwards)

Edit-as-you-go: Write without planning but edit thoroughly as you go.

Snowflake: Make a general plan and write, changing the plan along the way.

Outline: Make a detailed plan before you write anything, adhering to it strictly.

There is no "best" paradigm out of these (There are even more, surely), but good (evengreat) novelists use any of these methods. I can explain each further if necessary.

9/22/2011 . Edited 9/24/2011 #25

Hm, thanks, that helps. I think I'm seat-of-the-pants. I write through, putting down what comes to mind, and read over it after I finish, editing and maybe adding some more stuff. I used to have a problem with quality level too, which means I was NOT getting anything done. That's when, one day, I said what the hell, put it up. This may be why the last chapter to BEH sucks, I lost my drive there... One day I'll go through and rewrite that entire thing.

9/22/2011 #26

Ideas for how to slow down a story, anybody?

10/3/2011 #27
Arty Thrip - Alpha 04

If a story is going too fast, it usually means you're lacking in descriptions or simply plunging ahead with the plotline at the earliest possible convenience.

Perhaps the easiest method of slowing down a story is to introduce a secondary plotline that you can follow whenever you feel like having a break from the main one. It's kind of like when you're playing a game that you can't be bothered to complete just yet, so you hurry off to complete some mundane tasks that don't really lead to anything before you head back over to complete the main series of events. So you take the time to go off and do this, perhaps you write a chapter or two on it, and then when you return people are interested in the main events again. Time will have moved on too, so this is especially useful if you're stuck in a rut for what to write.

You can also slow a story down by adding in more descriptions. It's unusual, perhaps, but if you're taking the time to write down several details about the location or about the characters themselves then you're not actually launching ahead with whatever you're trying to slow down, and it can break up your plot sufficiently so that it doesn't feel as though it's moving so fast. If descriptions don't work for you - and trust me when I say they seldom work for me - then you can alternatively add in a thread of dialogue that does not in any way advance anything; don't allow your characters to talk about their developing relationship or to talk about who they're off to avenge the death of, just let them sit down and have a standard conversation about standard things. It does work, though not quite as often as a secondary plotline does.

I hope this helps.


10/3/2011 #28

Heyo peoples, I'm having trouble keeping my chapters long. I thought it was okay at first, but now I find them too short. Does anyone have some ideas for me? It'd be a great help.

10/11/2011 #29
P3MF Alpha 3-Richter

I think you could try to explain more on setting, and describe more in general. Not that you don't, but when you describe more (without overdoing it AKA three pages explaining a FIELD OF GRASS IN THE SUN) the readers can get a better feel for the story, as well as being more involved in it.

10/11/2011 #30
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